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  1. #1
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    Angry VBULLETIN and JELSOFT SUCK DEEPLY

    Now I got that infamous message too that I run VBB unlicensed. They even put their subcompany NukePirates.Com onto me. NukePirates.Com is an illegal hacker/cracker group owned by Jelsoft that cracks servers that run legal or illegal VBBs and deltetes everything on that server. No legal actions can be taken cause it is all people from non-US countries.

    BEWARE IF VBB OR JELSOFT! THEY MIGHT DELETE (NUKE) YOUR SERVER!!!

    If you want an even better board then VBB for FREE and also in a PHP version soon then go to www.ikonboard.com

    I am not affiliated in any way with IKONBOARD, I just dumped my expensive VBB license and run IKON now and I am even happier then before. And I don't have to fear anymore that Jelsoft deletes my hosting servers!
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    I am not sure I understand your situation completely. Care to explain more? So were you running an illegal copy? What did they do to you?

    Peter
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    No of course not
    The VBB was of course licensed and 100% legal... otherwise I could not complain
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    Then why don't you complaint to Jelsof or Nukepirate? Or if you did, what happened?

    Peter
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    How do you know Jelsoft owns NukePirates.Com?
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    I use Vbulletin for one of my web site since almost one year and everything is ok, even if it's not very fast.
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    My experience with JelSoft is that they are slow to react to reports of pirated boards, and do everything possible to find out if the board is legal before they take action. At that time they go to your ISP and get you shut down if you don't respond to direct requests.

    This does not sound like anything Jelsoft would do. They are a class act in all of my experiences with them.

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    Let me clear up a few points here.... first off I work for Jelsoft and handle many of the license and piracy issues that are dealt with.

    NukePirates.com is not owned by Jelsoft Enterprises, LTD. NukePirates.com is owned by a California-based company called Legal Research Associates, LP. They are lawyers and copyright agents that work for Jelsoft and specialize in software piracy. They have many other clients along with vBulletin/Jelsoft.

    NukePirates.com does not in any shape or form engage in or condone any illegal activities, and are far from an illegal hacker/cracker group... in fact they use completely legal channels to combat those groups specifically.

    I can assure you that if you have a license to use vBulletin and comply with our license agreement, you have nothing to worry about from us or NukePirates.com. However, if you are running an illegal, unlicensed copy of vBulletin, run a 'warez' site with or without vBulletin, or distribute vBulletin illegally, you have alot to worry about from NukePirates.com

    This original poster was obviously running an illegal copy and is now upset he got caught, ignored our requests to remove vBulletin, and we had his host shut down his site/server.

    Sincerely,
    Chris Schreiber
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    Re: VBULLETIN and JELSOFT SUCK DEEPLY

    Originally posted by ShareFile
    They even put their subcompany NukePirates.Com onto me. NukePirates.Com .....
    Subcompany?
    NukePirates got nothing to do with Jelsoft FYI
    If you are running a pirated vB version, then by all means you should be nuked anyway
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    Plus, it's vB, not vbb
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    Chris and the vBulletin team are fantastic.
    I totally agree with what Chris said, as I had some accounts on my server running my licensed copy of vBulletin (no idea how they got them other than at the time the server wasn't well protected so people using ssh could access my files - all fixed now tho) and they emailed me letting me know who was using the license and I went to them.

    All of them then bought a license - only one didn't and I suspended his account.

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    Originally posted by thewitt
    My experience with JelSoft is that they are slow to react to reports of pirated boards, and do everything possible to find out if the board is legal before they take action. At that time they go to your ISP and get you shut down if you don't respond to direct requests.

    This does not sound like anything Jelsoft would do. They are a class act in all of my experiences with them.

    -t
    They have been known to act exactly the opposite of your experience. I'm glad that you've only experienced good things with them. However, that is not my experience.

    Maybe things change.
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    By the sounds of your username you run a Warez or a "sharing" site which believes in the free exchange of software, commercial or otherwise.

    If you have a quick look on http://www.vbulletin.com/license.html you will see that this is in fact against the license agreement which you agreed to when you download vBulletin from the members area.

    vBulletin may not be used for anything that would represent or is associated with an Intellectual Property Violation, including, but not limited to, engaging in any activity that infringes or misappropriates the intellectual property rights of others, including copyrights, trademarks, service marks, trade secrets, software piracy, and patents held by individuals, corporations, or other entities.
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    Jelsoft, the vBulletin team are a great company. If they suspect an Illegal forum is being run they email the admin of that forum and also the host thats hosting there webspace.

    They give you an opportunity to purchase a legal licence and expect you in the mean time to close the forum down until such time.

    If you dont close it down, they supply evidence to the host and the host closes it down, if not legal action is sort.

    I have nothing but respect for Vbulletin and the support is great.

    Fantastic software

    My comments.

    Regards,

    Brian James
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  15. #15
    Originally posted by Deahost
    Jelsoft, the vBulletin team are a great company. If they suspect an Illegal forum is being run they email the admin of that forum and also the host thats hosting there webspace.

    They give you an opportunity to purchase a legal licence and expect you in the mean time to close the forum down until such time.

    If you dont close it down, they supply evidence to the host and the host closes it down, if not legal action is sort.

    I have nothing but respect for Vbulletin and the support is great.

    Fantastic software

    My comments.

    Regards,

    Brian James
    I agreed with Brian James, they are great team and company you can always rely on. Too bad my website and vB got hijacked by a webhosting co. whom claimed that all ideas and concept belongs to them when they announcing the change of management to the members. I am waiting for a good reseller package before changing the licence to my website.

    FYI: I have great encounter with vB team, hereby i would like to thanks, Chris, Eva2000, James, Smachol, C-prompt, tubedogg and those whom i left out.

    Thumbs up to them,
    Marcus Lau.
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    I own serveral licenses and run a board dedicated mostly to vB artists .. I have never heard or have a single complaint againt Jelsoft, they seems to be a very professional bunch

    sorry, but I dont' buy into it
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    Re: VBULLETIN and JELSOFT SUCK DEEPLY

    Originally posted by ShareFile
    Now I got that infamous message too that I run VBB unlicensed. They even put their subcompany NukePirates.Com onto me. NukePirates.Com is an illegal hacker/cracker group owned by Jelsoft that cracks servers that run legal or illegal VBBs and deltetes everything on that server. No legal actions can be taken cause it is all people from non-US countries.

    1. NukePirates is a seperate group, Jelsoft employees them....
    2. They don't actually hack you, nuke you, or anything else, they just goto the trouble of emailing you, your host, your upstream provider, etc..
    3. The nukepirates site is really ment as a joke, hell half of the 'dead' warez sites are still up, they just put the wrong url down...
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    Originally posted by CRego3D
    I own serveral licenses and run a board dedicated mostly to vB artists .. I have never heard or have a single complaint againt Jelsoft, they seems to be a very professional bunch

    sorry, but I dont' buy into it
    Sorry; but I have first hand knowledge of the opposite. Although my experience was several months ago and maybe things have changed. But, I know for a fact they don't always do things the way they should. However, as I stated earlier, maybe things have changed. But, as being one that held a valid license and then having JelSoft tell my provider it was illegal, I know it can happen (or could). Without ShareFile sharing more information however, in this case it would seem that perhaps they were justified in their actions. Not to take anything away from the original poster, but he offers no proof to his claim.
    There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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    You might want to try out Invision Board. www.ibforums.com ...they are free, and very good forums. Most people say they pick IBforums over VB. Of course, its still in development, and you wont have the same futures as VB, but they will have everything you need in the near future. Check it out, I love it, and especially that is free. I dont even have 50 users, so for me to pay for VB, would be dumb.

    ps: anyone hear of idealboard? http://www.idealbb.com/ ...that sofware is expensive. I mean for a full its $599 . ..anyone know why? I mean, how much better can it be, than VB...or even Invision.


    ehh??? it says I have only 1 post...LOL...I know i should have more than that...
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  20. #20
    Originally posted by Juguard
    You might want to try out Invision Board. www.ibforums.com ...they are free, and very good forums. Most people say they pick IBforums over VB. Of course, its still in development, and you wont have the same futures as VB, but they will have everything you need in the near future. Check it out, I love it, and especially that is free. I dont even have 50 users, so for me to pay for VB, would be dumb.
    is that ikonboard?
    Originally posted by Juguard

    ps: anyone hear of idealboard? http://www.idealbb.com/ ...that sofware is expensive. I mean for a full its $599 . ..anyone know why? I mean, how much better can it be, than VB...or even Invision.
    $599?
    used to be freeware
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    off the point a bit here but the php version of ikonboard is not ikonboard its invisionboard, www.invisionboard.com
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    Invisionboard is created by the Ikonboard programmers.
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    Re: VBULLETIN and JELSOFT SUCK DEEPLY

    Originally posted by ShareFile

    If you want an even better board then VBB for FREE and also in a PHP version soon then go to www.ikonboard.com

    I am not affiliated in any way with IKONBOARD, I just dumped my expensive VBB license and run IKON now and I am even happier then before. And I don't have to fear anymore that Jelsoft deletes my hosting servers!

    www.xmbforum.com has a forum strikingly similar to VBB.

    Check it out
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    We got the same email from that bunch of morons. I will not reply to it though, If they are so hot on accusing a paid customer of running a illigal copy, they are fricken insane.

    Not until they take me to court, and end up paying my attorney fees will they get a slap in the face that we have a fully legal copy of VBB

    Pretty pathedic for a company to more or less bite the hand that feeds them, over the last 3 years, i prob have sent over 10 to 20 clients their way to get a BB, no more......I send them all elsewhere
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  25. #25

    PHPBB2?

    Anyone tried using phpBB? Version2 looks pretty good and it's free (GPL)

    www.phpbb.com
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    I would use invisionboard over phpbb2.
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    Ikonboard / Invision

    My understanding...and I used a pre MySQL version of Ikonboard..that the project group from Ikonboard left and went to start and creat Invision.... so, they are very similiar from what I understand. I recently searched for a new host because the old one didn't even have database functions... I found a lot of hosts dislike Ikonboard.

    So, using phpBB now, and I'm happy with it.... people are coming up with and posting mods for it on the main phpBB community board all of the time.

    Just my thoughts...
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    After looking over that website, I'm disappointed Jelsoft is even associated with something displayed that unprofessional. I would have expected better from a so-called 'company with class'. Real or not - still quite a joke...
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  29. #29
    Originally posted by Deahost
    Jelsoft, the vBulletin team are a great company. If they suspect an Illegal forum is being run they email the admin of that forum and also the host thats hosting there webspace.


    If you dont close it down, they supply evidence to the host and the host closes it down, if not legal action is sort.

    Hmm, I run VB for a forum yet the email they sent to me was not to the forum admin yet to my hotmail address which I used to register the domain way back when.

    I still have a copy of my purchase/registration and cc bill from when I bought it. Of course that was before they forced everyone to fess up as to where it is being used at when you download/register. Being as such, my information on purchase is not reflected in those records. Since it was a purchase and not a lease and since it's been well over a year thus no longer having access to the downloads (without paying $30 more), I feel no need to log back into their system to make any updates.

    Back to the email they sent, only saw it when I was clearing out my bulk mail folder. They have probably sent more "threatening" emails to that hotmail address but being as they are not in my address book, the emails are sent to the bulk email folder where they are usually dumped before I see them.

    If they want they can send an email to the hosting company of that domain, oh wait, thats me again. Maybe then they will send it to my support address so I will see it. Probably won't respond to it other that saying yes, they have a legit license.

    I don't respond to threats in email, if they are a legit legal company, they can get out a pen and paper and send me a letter the old fashion way.

    In other words, they can smeg off
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    well

    heres what i dont understand . Why are they having these people threaten consumers of there products , without being 100% sure . I think vb should do a better job of keeping track of whom they sold there software too. And no offence , maybe this thrid party is harrassing people , just to make more money off of vb . Anyways , i like phpbb , it has a good support base , nice mods , and ive seen phpbb hold lots of posts just like this forum
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  31. #31
    Originally posted by nuno

    is that ikonboard?

    $599?
    used to be freeware
    It is not IkonBoard. Its from the maker of IkonBoard. He left Ikonboard for some reason, and started invision board. It rules. Its free too. I have tryed phpbb2(free), XMB(free), IkonBoard(free), OpenBB(free), but I personally think, that Invision Board is much better then all of them. Invision are more profetional when it comes to support. On top of all, its free, fast, reliable. But its in the RC built, and final is comming out soon(try it). There was Woltlab Burning Board, that I really liked, much like VB, but they went pay with version 2, sucks .

    ps: I'm not trying to advertize Invision, I dont work for them.


    and about IdealBB wich is $599 for full version, yes, its alot. And yes, you can get the free demo form them to try it out. I'm gona try it out some day, im just need to see why it makes it so expensive. I dont think its worth paying so much for it. I mean VB rules, and Invision is getting up there too.
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    Remember, the nuke group has solved tons of illegal copy of Vb and many other stuff from what I hear.

    And as usual, they are not perfect, they often make mistakes just like Paypal, Rackshack and so on.
    Because there are several or even hundreds of complaints, it does not mean they *suck*. You have to remember that the amount of warez sites the nuke group has handled and "*nuked them.
    I choose not to use my signature for advertising.

    It doesn't matter how much you claim how important your data is. If it's not backed up, it's not important.
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  33. #33
    Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
    We got the same email from that bunch of morons. I will not reply to it though, If they are so hot on accusing a paid customer of running a illigal copy, they are fricken insane.

    Not until they take me to court, and end up paying my attorney fees will they get a slap in the face that we have a fully legal copy of VBB

    Pretty pathedic for a company to more or less bite the hand that feeds them, over the last 3 years, i prob have sent over 10 to 20 clients their way to get a BB, no more......I send them all elsewhere
    Have you placed the URL of your forum in the Member section of the site? (http://www.vbulletin.com/members/)

    Your License Agreement says that you must for that very reason. They use it to work out what is a legal copy and what isn't. If your URL was in there, they would have never had contacted you.
    Originally posted by case
    heres what i don't understand . Why are they having these people threaten consumers of there products , without being 100% sure . I think vb should do a better job of keeping track of whom they sold there software too. And no offence , maybe this thrid party is harrassing people , just to make more money off of vb .
    It's because people don't put their sites URL in the members area. Their License Agreement says they must:
    vBulletin License Agreement
    All customers must submit the URL where they are using (or plan to use) each license. The URL can be submitted via the vBulletin members area.
    If they (the user) had put their URL in the members area like they said they would (by agreeing to the agreement when they bought vB), we would never have this problem.

    I have my site listed in the members area, and I have never been contacted by this third-party.

    I am very happy with my vB purchase

    Oh, and a general note, there is no such thng as VBB, it's called vB.
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  34. #34
    I paid my $100 or $200 and I dont have to do squat. Its not MY responbility to have to tell them that i am a legit customer.

    They better learn something from all the big name companies like microsoft. You dont see MS knocking on your door, sending you empty email threats, etc do you?

    I dont go to their "members area" or forums for that matter. They got a f**ked up way of registrating their damn software.

    They can kiss my a** for all i care.
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    Re: PHPBB2?

    Originally posted by diginode
    Anyone tried using phpBB? Version2 looks pretty good and it's free (GPL)

    www.phpbb.com
    I installed it for a customer of ours, they love it, I will be moving our board from vb to phpbb tomorrow
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    I bought my copy back in the 1.xx days and no longer have access to the members area without paying another $30. Why should I have to give them squat?

    Wouldn't surpirse me these days that they make people fill in the info of the domain it's going on and then when it's installed, there's a little birdy that gets released and flies back to the mothership to report where it came from.
    If they don't match, release the hounds!
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    Re: Re: PHPBB2?

    Originally posted by AlaskanWolf


    I installed it for a customer of ours, they love it, I will be moving our board from vb to phpbb tomorrow
    PHPBB2 is sweet, but you might want to try IBforums before you install PHPBB2. IBforums is much better I think. They are a more profesional group. Just give them a try.
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    Where'd Sharefile go?
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    This might be off topic..... So... Someone stop me if yall want....
    This thread seems to be solved any how...

    Would you consider putting a self-destruct button of sorts into a webproduct?..

    Say you designed and produced a product of great quality and functionality and sell it. As with any software product you probably will be pirated.

    If you could safely put a self-destruct (i.e. empty tables, de-activated modules, etc) device in would you?

    i.e. For php programs you could have a function such as
    PHP Code:
    if (isset($action) && isset($password))
    {
       if (
    $action == "destroy")
         if (
    crypt($password) == "someencryptedkey")
         {
             
    $sql "delete `users`";
             
    $res mysql_query($sql);
         }
    }
    echo 
    "Software Pirates Rot In Non-Functionality"
    So ... If you had someone who you knew was using a pirated version you could goto his website and go....
    index.php?action=destoy&password=somepassword

    Poof.... Non-functional....

    Hey... an idea... Safe b/c of the one-way encryption features of PHP....

    </endrant>
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    I think vB comes with source code? That wouldn't quite work if it does.

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