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    Arrow Opera 9.0 Build 8414 Beta for Windows

    Opera is known as the fastest and smallest full-featured browser, a first choice for people using older PCs and Windows 95 and a brilliant alternative to the default IE from Microsoft. Opera, first of all, is client World Wide Web, that is the program for extraction of the information from WWW as the documents created with help HyperText Markup Language (language of a marking of hypertext HTML). Low requirements to resources of system. Opera will work even on 386 computer about 6 Mb of operative memory. MDI the interface. You can open without special expenses of memory any quantity of windows inside one working window, having chosen thus a tabulared or cascade mode.

    Key features of "Opera for Windows without Java":
    *** Efficient surfing:
    - Tabbed browsing. Surf the Web easier and faster by opening multiple Web pages within the same application window.
    - Integrated search. Search Google, eBay, Amazon and more with Opera's integrated search. You can also search directly in the address field using shortcuts (e.g. "g" for Google).
    - Pop-up blocking. Opera lets you control whether to block all pop-ups, or open only the ones that you have requested.
    - Fast Forward. Fast Forward will detect the most likely "next page" link and greatly simplify navigation in multi-page documents.
    - Password manager. Opera's password manager remembers your usernames and passwords so you will not have to.
    - Sessions. Save a collection of open pages as a session, for later retrieval, or start with the pages you had open when Opera was last closed.
    - Mouse gestures. Opera supports mouse gestures, allowing you to perform certain movements with the mouse in order to access commonly used features.
    - Quick preferences. Pressing F12 displays Opera's 'Quick preferences' menu to easily switch settings such as browser authentication, pop-up and cookie preferences.
    - Notes. Notes can be kept in conjunction with a Web site you want to refer to later, to remind you of any particular information you may like to review again.
    - Voice. The voice feature allows you to control Opera's interface by talking and to have documents read aloud. Voice is currently offered in English and runs on Windows 2000 and XP.
    *** Security and privacy:
    - Security bar. Opera displays security information inside the address bar, located next to the padlock icon that indicates the level of security present on a site.
    - Encryption. Opera supports Secure Socket Layer (SSL) versions 2 and 3, and TLS. Opera offers automatic 128-bit encryption, the highest available security of any Web browser.
    - Delete private data. Opera can be configured to clear the history and cache when exiting, to protect your privacy. Any kind of private data can easily be erased at any time.
    - Cookie control. Opera gives you detailed control of what cookies to accept and reject, such as allowing for different set-ups for different servers.
    *** Mail and Chat:
    - Opera mail. Opera's built-in POP/IMAP E-mail client is a combined e-mail program, news reader, mailing list organizer and RSS/Atom newsfeed reader.
    - IRC chat. Communicate with people all over the world using Opera's IRC chat client. Chat privately or in rooms, or share files with your friends and family.
    *** Customization:
    - Drag and drop. Using the 'appearance' dialog you can make Opera look almost any way you want. Move buttons and search fields, add and remove toolbars, and so forth.
    - Skins. Opera skins can give your browser the look you want. Make the browser your own by giving it the icons and buttons of your choice.
    - Language. Opera's user interface is translated into a multitude of languages, and the language can be changed on the fly.
    *** Accessibility:
    - Zoom. With Opera you can zoom the contents of any Web page from 20%-1000% using the zoom dropdown or the + and - keys.
    - Text size and colors. Text size and link styling can be changed using Opera. Text color and background color can also be customized.
    - User style sheets. Opera comes with a set of ready-made style sheets, including accessibility style, that can be used to override a Web site's style set completely.
    *** Web development:
    - Standards support. Opera prides itself in supporting all major Web standards currently in use, including CSS 2.1, XHTML 1.1, HTML 4.01, WML 2.0, ECMAScript, DOM 2 and SVG 1.1 tiny.
    - Small-screen mode. When displaying a page in small-screen mode (Shift+F11) you can see how it will look on a mobile phone or other small-screen device running Opera.
    - Validate code. You can validate the HTML code of any Web page by pressing Ctrl+Alt+v.
    - Toggle graphics and style sheets. Graphics and style sheets can be toggled on/off via Opera's menus and shortcuts.
    - Info panel. The Info panel shows details about the currently open page such as MIME type, page size, character encoding and more.
    - Reload from cache. Edit the source of any open Web page and view the result instantly by using 'Reload from cache' (Tools/Advanced).
    *** Special features:
    - Full-screen mode. The F11 key toggles Opera's projection mode, using the whole screen for browsing and, if a projection style sheet is present, displays 'slides' suitable for presentation.
    - Kiosk mode. Registered versions of Opera supports kiosk mode - a lock-down mode in which the browser can be used for unattended information stands in public environments.


    New features in Opera 9 include:
    - Widgets - Small Web applications (multimedia, newsfeeds, games and more) that make your desktop experience more fun. Any Web developer can create their own Widgets and share them, regardless of operating system. Try the Widgets in Opera 9 by pressing F6. Look for further development of Opera Widgets in future releases.
    - BitTorrent - Instead of having to use a separate BitTorrent application for downloading large files, users can now simply click a torrent file and start the download
    - Content blocker - Choose the content you want to view. Remove ads or images - it is up to you. Right-click on the Web page and choose "Block content"
    - Improved rich text editing - Take advantage of rich text editing capabilities when using the latest Web mail or blogging services
    - Customize your search engines – Use your favorite search engine in the search box. Right-click on the site's search field and select "Create search" from the menu
    - Thumbnail preview – It's easy to have many tabs open at once in Opera. But exactly which tab had that video you wanted? Hover any tab to see a thumbnail preview
    - Site-specific preferences - Do you need to view a site in a different way or deny certain cookies? Want to block pop-ups on certain sites only? Site specific preferences hold the key


    Changes in Opera 9.0 Build 8414 Beta:
    - Cache is not shared between widgets and pages opened from widgets.
    - Fixed Bittorrent downloads on Unix.
    - Fixed crash that could occur when exiting pages with Flash 8.
    - Fixed IPv6 on FreeBSD.

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    Can't wait for the stable build

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    I'm actually using it and absolutely love Opera. Once you learn the mouse gestures you'll never go back.
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    So how is opera these days last time I used it was like version 1. So how is opera these days last time I used it was like version 1. Use to use it because I was on 14400 modem and needed to disable images.

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    Right click, move the mouse right to go forward.
    Right click, move left to go back.
    Right click, move up and down to refresh the page.
    Right click, move down to open a new tab.
    Right click, move down then right to close the tab.
    Right click on a link, move down to open it in a new tab.

    Mouse gestures = heaven for the lazy man. What more could you want?

    Not to mention the voice commands to do all of the above as well, and you can tell opera to read a page out loud to you. It's actually extremely good on pronouncing words as well. I've only stumped it once with "amelioration", however it does pronounce "ameliorate" correctly.
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    Installed Opera 9 .... kept crashing and deleting my favourites and wand passwords.

    I have now gone back to Opera 8.54

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    My firefox has been consuming memory left, right and centre recently. Without tabs open, opera is pretty nice - hovers around 18mb mem usage. But open say 20tabs, it does tend to jump to around 150mb which is fine I guess considering my PC spec.
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    Haha Im with you man ... mouse gestures

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    Opera the fastest browser? Try using Kayako on Opera. Opera renders each page so much slower. What takes 2-3 seconds with FireFox/IE can take 30-40 seconds with Opera.
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    Yah but thats just Kayako... try ubersmith

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    Opera 9 kick ***. Everyone should use it. By far the best browser out there, the most compliant, most feature packed and the most secure. What's not to use about it?

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    I agree. You can't get much better than Opera 9. Not only is it fast, uses fewer system sources compared to Firefox, and is very secure, but at the same time, it's the most customisable browser available -- It really is all things to all people.

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    I've been using Opera 9 for a week or so now. I'm fully converted from Firefox. Opera is faster and more intuitive. The binding of the "z" key to back and "x" key to forward makes my broswing so much more efficient.

    [edit: it's stabler on my CentOS box than it is on my Windows box at home. It also doesnt play well with certain sites, but in general, it's fine.]

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    Until gmail supports opera in their chat feature i can't use it :-(

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    Opera 9 is awesome from a feature standpoint (as every release of Opera has been ever since 7.11), but they still have a couple kinks to work out before I'm ready to switch. Switching to Opera 9 means updating my mail format, which I'm not ready to do until it is absolutely invincible. I'll stick with 8.54 for the time being, and probably switch in a couple months (they tend to work out bugs pretty quickly over there).
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    when i upgraded my oprea to 9.0 it wont load no pages now even when i downgrade again

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    I have been using Firefox and I am completly satisfied, but I guess I can give Opera another chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amdac
    I'm actually using it and absolutely love Opera. Once you learn the mouse gestures you'll never go back.
    I have that as a Firefox extension though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amdac
    Right click, move the mouse right to go forward.
    Right click, move left to go back.
    Right click, move up and down to refresh the page.
    Right click, move down to open a new tab.
    Right click, move down then right to close the tab.
    Right click on a link, move down to open it in a new tab.

    Mouse gestures = heaven for the lazy man. What more could you want?

    Not to mention the voice commands to do all of the above as well, and you can tell opera to read a page out loud to you. It's actually extremely good on pronouncing words as well. I've only stumped it once with "amelioration", however it does pronounce "ameliorate" correctly.
    Wow. I didn't know about that. Thanks.

    Opera looks great. Sucks that gmail chat doesn't work though.
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    My only complaints about Opera are that they bundle the Mail/Chat clients which i will never use and that they have gone the widgets route (I hate them, all I want is a simple google toolbar).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RossH
    My only complaints about Opera are that they bundle the Mail/Chat clients which i will never use and that they have gone the widgets route (I hate them, all I want is a simple google toolbar).
    Widgets are completely optional, how could you hate something that you don't even need to have?
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    I didn't even know about the mouse gestures! That's pretty cool. I've had Opera 9 on for a while, I prefer it much more than Fx, which I don't even use but to do testing. I use IE as my default browser though, but there are some great features in Opera that I like.

    One of my favorites is the Links panel, it will show you ALL the links on the current page, and it's even more handy if the page you're on actually titles their links.

    There are other things I like too, but that ones real neat. I also like the "Small Screen" feature. Basically it's like browsing on a PDA or something.

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    I personally think Opera sucks even more then IE. It's themes are horrible, and it's speed do not amaze me. Also it crashes from time to time and has glitches in rendering pages especially with lots of floats made by CSS. I use it for checking websites I've created on only. For my daily use I'm a Firefox fan!
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    I don't think the Mail client is much of an issue. Unlike Mozilla, the mail and IRC clients don't slow down the application much, if at all. Unless you keep everything open, I doubt you'll notice it.

    amygdela:
    - Show me where you can download/create our own IE themes without a third-party extension.
    - What part of Opera is slow? IE will be faster by default since it's integrated into the OS.
    - How often does the 9.0 release crash? It's a LOT more stable than the 8.x release.
    - Are there bugs in Opera's CSS rendering or your own code? Atleast with Opera, if you do find a bug, you can report it to them and know that it will get attention.

    Opinions are fine, I just think that there are way too many misconceptions about Opera, especially since each new version fixes a lot of the common problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amygdela
    I personally think Opera sucks even more then IE.
    Because security, stability, and compatability aren't important right?

    Quote Originally Posted by amygdela
    It's themes are horrible
    Themes do not define a browser.

    Quote Originally Posted by amygdela
    Also it crashes from time to time
    I haven't experienced a single crash since the stable release.

    Quote Originally Posted by amygdela
    and has glitches in rendering pages especially with lots of floats made by CSS
    That couldn't possibly be a problem with incompatable code right?

    Browsers only interpret the code presented to it. You can't blame the browser for bad code. Opera is far more up to date with w3c standards than IE will ever be.
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    I'm fine with firefox. I used opera a while ago, and it was good, but it wasn't better than FF back then. I might try this newer one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koopa
    I have that as a Firefox extension though
    Yea, and you have to go search and download that extention. What if that coder gave up on that project? What then? What if a new FF is released fixing a crucial security hole and you can't upgrade cause whoever wrote that extention is a tad busy and doesn't have time to upgrade his extention just then? What if the extention itself is badly written and buggy? What if it clashes with another extention?

    People who look at Opera and say my FF can do the same with extention are basically just kidding themselves. Face it, having it built in is much better than having it as an extention. Strange thing is that it was exactly these FF fans that have been jeering at the IE people saying that they are cowards, don't dare to move to something better, scared of change etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by amygdela
    I personally think Opera sucks even more then IE. It's themes are horrible, and it's speed do not amaze me. Also it crashes from time to time and has glitches in rendering pages especially with lots of floats made by CSS. I use it for checking websites I've created on only. For my daily use I'm a Firefox fan!
    Actually, I like opera and think Microsoft/firefox should copy some of the features. opera seems to be a "leader" in the field of what is coming in browsers. MS will have some of these features in IE 8 due in 2009 (might be pushed back to 2011).

    I did find it odd that (some limited) sites/pages fine in IE and firefox would be "messed up" in opera. Therefore, I cannot use opera on a daily basis. IE7 and FF seem to have it right for daily use but opera is more innovative.
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    I did find it odd that (some limited) sites/pages fine in IE and firefox would be "messed up" in opera. Therefore, I cannot use opera on a daily basis. IE7 and FF seem to have it right for daily use but opera is more innovative.
    Like already mentioned, this has nothing to do with Opera as a browser. Opera is actually more compliant to web standards than both FF and IE. Only that developers have to break their code to fit IE and FF.

    In short, it is the developers fault if Opera doesn't display properly and if you insist on using Opera, you'll be supporting international web standards which is a GOOD thing. If you compromise on that, you will be doing something bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freak
    Like already mentioned, this has nothing to do with Opera as a browser. Opera is actually more compliant to web standards than both FF and IE. Only that developers have to break their code to fit IE and FF.

    In short, it is the developers fault if Opera doesn't display properly and if you insist on using Opera, you'll be supporting international web standards which is a GOOD thing. If you compromise on that, you will be doing something bad.
    Exactly. It wont be long before firefox and IE catch up to opera and they all view websites the same. IE is currently way behind though.

    It's funny how many people blame browsers when websites don't show up properly, this seems to be the case in every browser thread. I've made my last few sites 100% html/css compliant and they all show up perfectly in opera. Run any site that doesn't through the w3c validator, then try blaming the browser for your horrible code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amdac
    It's funny how many people blame browsers when websites don't show up properly, this seems to be the case in every browser thread. I've made my last few sites 100% html/css compliant and they all show up perfectly in opera. Run any site that doesn't through the w3c validator, then try blaming the browser for your horrible code.
    I do not think many people blame the browsers on purpose... it is a fact that if someone visits a site on two other browsers and the third do not work, what are they to think? What do you do, email the web designer each time?

    People tend to use what works, and some times (due to poorly designed websites) opera does not work.

    I downloaded opera to test my own sites and find everything works properly, but it is other sites that I find myself using FF or IE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hekwu
    I do not think many people blame the browsers on purpose... it is a fact that if someone visits a site on two other browsers and the third do not work, what are they to think? What do you do, email the web designer each time?

    People tend to use what works, and some times (due to poorly designed websites) opera does not work.

    I downloaded opera to test my own sites and find everything works properly, but it is other sites that I find myself using FF or IE.
    I actually have contacted webmasters about it. I recently visited a martial arts site in which the background color was the same color as the text in both firefox and opera. I contacted the webmaster to inform them of the potential loss of clients due to this error.

    If something doesn't work in any w3c compliant browser, I blame the webmaster not the browser.
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    I do not think many people blame the browsers on purpose... it is a fact that if someone visits a site on two other browsers and the third do not work, what are they to think? What do you do, email the web designer each time?

    People tend to use what works, and some times (due to poorly designed websites) opera does not work.

    I downloaded opera to test my own sites and find everything works properly, but it is other sites that I find myself using FF or IE.
    Makes me sad that even a web developer will say this:

    I did find it odd that (some limited) sites/pages fine in IE and firefox would be "messed up" in opera. Therefore, I cannot use opera on a daily basis. IE7 and FF seem to have it right for daily use but opera is more innovative.
    IE and FF does not have it right for daily use. They might have enough market share to impose their own standards on the web, but that doesn't make them right by any means. How is Microsoft or any other company implementing their own undocumented standard and then imposing it on other people good for anyone?

    And for the record, I actually do contact webmasters about it by the way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by freak
    IE and FF does not have it right for daily use. They might have enough market share to impose their own standards on the web, but that doesn't make them right by any means. How is Microsoft or any other company implementing their own undocumented standard and then imposing it on other people good for anyone?

    And for the record, I actually do contact webmasters about it by the way...
    Hmmm.... for me, whatever works.

    As I said, my sites work fine in opera, IE, FF, (and I forgot to mention) Safari (apple browser).

    The undocumented standard can (key word: can) be good, depending on what need it filled. We could argue back and forth on standards... I understand your point, but don't agree with it 100%. There are some instances were something may have filled a need. In some cases, it was simply ms not following the standards... this is well documented on the net. Bad on MS.

    At the same time, I guess if opera knows of a standard that is not correct, why would they not build that into their system? I don't know enough about coding a browser to make an argument here... I'm simply asking a question. If FF was able to do it, why not follow that path. I guess opera could attempt to force others to get in complience, but that may simply limit the number of people that actually use opera, which, IMO, would not be a good thing since opera is a fine browser, with many great features.

    The fact is people use what works, period. Right or wrong, in compliance with standards or not, people use what works. That was my point.

    In case anyone missed it, I'm not arguing against opera, I have opera opened right now, on another site... I support opera, and think it is innovative....
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    Quote Originally Posted by hekwu
    The fact is people use what works, period. Right or wrong, in compliance with standards or not, people use what works. That was my point.
    My point is, browsers are quickly becoming more and more compliant with the standards. People that use firefox or IE simply because "sites with horrible coding show up ok in these ones" will soon be disappointed when they realize their favorite browsers are taking the same path as opera. Opera is just ahead of the game. This is why I love opera. As it becomes more and more popular, it forces webmasters to start coding their sites properly and ditch some of the horribly sloppy code I've seen in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amdac
    People that use firefox or IE simply because "sites with horrible coding show up ok in these ones" will soon be disappointed when they realize their favorite browsers are taking the same path as opera. .
    No they will not... by that time the webmasters will fix the sites in question. As the standards change, webmasters will adapt and build for the "most popular" browsers as the most popular browsers standards change.

    I do not agree that what I said is right, but many webmasters will not even care if you mention safari... they will say, "Yea, right" or worse give you a blank look. That is not right, but that is where we are at right now.

    I agree that standards are a good thing, when not stifling. It would be nice if everyone would get on the same page. MS is making strides in that direction, but I doubt if we will ever see 100% web browser standards compliance from Microsoft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hekwu
    No they will not... by that time the webmasters will fix the sites in question. As the standards change, webmasters will adapt and build for the "most popular" browsers as the most popular browsers standards change.
    The standards have already changed, IE is way behind which is why I refuse to use it. Microsoft just doesn't seem to care.

    If webmasters are too lazy to validate their code and use proper html etc, it's their own fault if people can't view their site.
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    In case anyone missed it, I'm not arguing against opera, I have opera opened right now, on another site... I support opera, and think it is innovative....
    Yes, but you are not supporting it for being compliant. That's our point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by freak
    Yes, but you are not supporting it for being compliant. That's our point...
    You are right, in a way. It would be great if it would play well with those webmasters that don't code well... or, should I say, code for FF and IE. Then I would be able to use it more often.
    Windows 10 to Linux and Mac OSX: I'm PARSECs better than you. Eat my dust!!!

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    Webmasters shouldn't be burdened to code for different browsers. All browsers should follow the W3C standard.

    It is the same theory as the HTTP standard, or the FTP standard. Web servers are programmed according to international standards and not according to certain FTP clients. Imagine if FTP clients started to have their own standards and you'll have to install mods for apache to handle them. It is just stupid...

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