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[iterationlab]

Hi. I'm looking for a full-featured business-quality host that allows Java JSP/servlets. I'd like to initially use shared hosting, then move up to dedicated or VPS in about six months. My bandwidth and space usage will be moderate, at least at first, but my CPU/RAM usage may be above average.

Can anyone recommend a good, quality host? I've already spoken to asmallorange and Liquid Web, and it seems they don't allow Java JSP/don't provide Tomcat.

[Apolo]

Originally Posted by tectonic

but my CPU/RAM usage may be above average

Of course, this is always an issue with JSP / Servlets hosting.

You could have a look (search) at the following resources:

http://www.jspin.com/
http://www.jspinsider.com/hosting.jsp
http://www.servlets.com/isps/servlet/ISPViewAll

Good luck!

[pnorilsk]

You don't need to look for specific hosts with "servlet" option. You can do it on any existing hosts - Windows or Linux/Unix. In fact you should take this road. The servlet technology is tightly coupled with underlying JVM. And its behavior is crucial to many runtime parameters in servlet/JSP world.

Regards,
Peter.

[bithost(NET)]

Missions Communication offers JSP hosting: http://www.missionscommunication.com/

Drop them a line or give them a call, ask for Mike. He's a great guy.

Bailey

[pnorilsk]

Again, it's not the best option. In fact it's a bad advice.

Peter.

[Apolo]

Originally Posted by pnorilsk

You don't need to look for specific hosts with "servlet" option. You can do it on any existing hosts - Windows or Linux/Unix.

Originally Posted by pnorilsk

Again, it's not the best option. In fact it's a bad advice.

I'm afraid I don't really get your point. Are you saying that *any* hosting provider would be able to deploy and support "servlet" hosting?

[pnorilsk]

Originally Posted by Apolo

I'm afraid I don't really get your point. Are you saying that *any* hosting provider would be able to deploy and support "servlet" hosting?

Yes, this is exactly what I said. Technically, any provider is capable to handle JSP/servlet hosting if they choose so. I need 1hr to prove this point on any host.

[bithost(NET)]

=pnorilsk]Yes, this is exactly what I said. Technically, any provider is capable to handle JSP/servlet hosting if they choose so. I need 1hr to prove this point on any host.

But not every host does -- and that is their choice, and that is the point of this thread. Hence the OP is asking, who does provide it, and who do we recommend? The title of the thread is not, "is every host physically capable of offering JSP?" Let's keep it on-topic.

Bailey

[Apolo]

Besides what bithost(NET) said, I would add what I just say on other thread:

Don't host JSP/Servlets sites with a provider using [insert your control panel here] just because it comes as an addon, and I would add "just because they will be able or allow to install it" as well. Having the *ability* to host JSP sites doesn't mean the provider would be able to *support* them *properly*.

If you're an expert in Java technologies, then you can have your own server or VPS and play with it, but it doesn't mean all hosting providers would/should be able to provide a decent JSP/Servlets hosting service, and I'm pretty sure most of them will refuse to install it, since they do know what JSP/Servlets involves.

[cywkevin]

The last I checked the tomcat module for apache that cpanel has is very buggy.

[pnorilsk]

Originally Posted by Apolo

Besides what bithost(NET) said, I would add what I just say on other thread:

Don't host JSP/Servlets sites with a provider using [insert your control panel here] just because it comes as an addon, and I would add "just because they will be able or allow to install it" as well. Having the *ability* to host JSP sites doesn't mean the provider would be able to *support* them *properly*.

If you're an expert in Java technologies, then you can have your own server or VPS and play with it, but it doesn't mean all hosting providers would/should be able to provide a decent JSP/Servlets hosting service, and I'm pretty sure most of them will refuse to install it, since they do know what JSP/Servlets involves.

Obviously you are missing a very principal point. The point is that the health of any container based application (and JSP/servlet is one of its kind) depends in 20% (give and take) on container(Tomcat) +JVM and 80% (give and take) on application itself. You cannot debug any problem with your Java application without considering state of the container+JVM and/or ability to make some changes.

Another point - nobody in straight state of mind will use idiotic "control panel" in context of maintenance and/or development of JSP/servlet or EJB container based application.

[bithost(NET)]

Peter, with all due respect, I don't think it's your place to judge peoples' states of minds, nor to belittle perfectly legitimate hosting tools. It sounds as if you are old-school hard-core straight-on technically oriented. Good for you. I think you may be missing the point that the majority of hosts, and the majority of consumers who post here, share neither your passion nor knowledge base. This goes directly to how you don't know what "shared hosting" is but are trying to answer questions on a complex application in a web hosting forum.

Perhpas you find control panels idiotic, but we "little people" do not. Mere mortals do rely on control panels and GUIs and other such ridiculous things. Our principal point here, which you seem to be missing is, it is imperitive to understand your target market, as doing so will make it much easier to reach them and work with them.

There's no doubt you are technically correct, Peter. No doubt. Unfortunately we are not discussing what constitutes servlet utopia -- that's obvious merely by looking at the hosts the OP mentioned. If you have something practical to offer (name a decent host?), great. Otherwise, please stop hijacking the thread.

Bailey

[cywkevin]

as for the original poster if you haven't been scared away I reccomend you try http://forums.devshed.com since it's a programming community they probably know more about this kind of hosting than the webhostingtalk coimmunity.

[pnorilsk]

Originally Posted by bithost(NET)

There's no doubt you are technically correct, Peter. No doubt. Unfortunately we are not discussing what constitutes servlet utopia -- that's obvious merely by looking at the hosts the OP mentioned. If you have something practical to offer (name a decent host?), great. Otherwise, please stop hijacking the thread.
Bailey

Bailey,
I understand, there is some disconnect. But, let us sort it out. Could it be that peculiarity of J2EE type of applications tightly coupled to underlying environment (container and JVM) gives us the answer why there is no "good" hosting available? As I said, the well balanced J2EE application (servlet/JSP is one of them) depends on ability of owner of this application to manipulate container and JVM. For instance, some debugging of the JSP/servlet application could be (and should be) done with the help of Tomcat container by changing the server.xml file parameters - in "shared" environment this is not a good idea. Thus, rigid hosting model is not an option in this situation. This is why I suggest that "good host" for J2EE application is a nonsense.

Now, said so, I believe that there is a way to provide more or less flexible executable environment for J2EE application using so called "virtialization" model in hosting. But. it's still in infancy for the majority of hosts on this forum.

Few words about my passion. I can tolerate the idea of dysfunctional, $1.00 per month hosting plan. But, what piss me off is the "militant ignorance" of some authors on this forum who are trying to pontificate on subject they have no knowledge at all.

Peace...