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    Bloody attack on Mass. gay bar stuns region


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    I certainly hope that the police and prosecutors are successful in getting the killer.

    Rep. Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat, called on Washington to pass a bill that would extend the federal law on hate crimes to cover offenses targeting people because of sexual orientation.

    In some states that might seem needlessly redundant. For Massachusetts getting the Federal government to do the job may be what it takes for a capital crime to bring an adequate sentence.

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    Very very sad...........







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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude
    Very very sad...........






    Very much agreed.

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    This is an example of Christian Terrorist, oh wait since he is a christian he is just a criminal...heh western media.

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    Stupid sick people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disgruntled
    Rep. Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat, called on Washington to pass a bill that would extend the federal law on hate crimes to cover offenses targeting people because of sexual orientation.
    I'm surprised it already doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abvex
    This is an example of Christian Terrorist, oh wait since he is a christian he is just a criminal...heh western media.
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    A search of Robida's bedroom turned up neo-Nazi literature and posters slurring gays, Jews and African-Americans, Walsh said. He also appears on a Web site posing with Nazi flags.
    Abvex, he was Neo-Nazi (rather, believed in it), not Christian. You're jumping to conclusions in an effort to make it look like all Christians are as much terrorists as anyone else. I'm sorry to burst your bubble...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webdude
    Abvex, he was Neo-Nazi (rather, believed in it), not Christian. You're jumping to conclusions in an effort to make it look like all Christians are as much terrorists as anyone else. I'm sorry to burst your bubble...
    Actually, I was hoping to get a respond like yours, now you know how Muslims feel when terrorist are tied to Islam.

    Neo-Nazi = Terrorist

    I know Christian is a peaceful religion, I was merely proving a point there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abvex
    Actually, I was hoping to get a respond like yours, now you know how Muslims feel when terrorist are tied to Islam.

    Neo-Nazi = Terrorist

    I know Christian is a peaceful religion, I was merely proving a point there.
    Neo-Nazi does not equal terrorist.

    And the dudes myspace says he's an atheist.

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    I am not reffering to their platform babychi, but their actions.

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    Because they're constantly all over the news for killing people, right?

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    Many of the Neo-Nazis have a religion called "Christian Identity", which is a highly distorted derivative of Christianity. It is described pretty well at
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity
    Every mainstream Christian demonination regards the Christian Identity Movement as thoroughly fake Christianity. All the Biblical prohibitions against crimes like the recent one in New Bedford are wasted on the Christian Identity Movement, whose main purpose seems to be to rationalize their way around those behavior standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disgruntled
    Rep. Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat, called on Washington to pass a bill that would extend the federal law on hate crimes to cover offenses targeting people because of sexual orientation.
    There's actually a strong argument against this, for two reasons. The first is from conservatives who insist that orientation shouldn't be protected, because listing it would give it 'credibility.' (My personal opinion is that these people are crazy.) I can understand the second argument, though: if there's a brutal attack on someone because of their race, is that really any worse than a brutal attack on someone because, say, they were wearing the wrong colors or whtanot? There shouldn't be certain 'categories' of people that you get penalized for attacking more.

    As long as hate crime laws exist, though, I do believe homosexuals should be protected under them.

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    Neo-Nazi people even hates Christians because of their view toward racial equality.

    Sadly, there are a few Christians who have Neo-Nazi attitudes.
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    I kind of have some doubts about the value of hate crime laws at the felony level. Beating, maiming, and killing people because of their race, enthnicity, sexual orientation, or whatever kind of group identity is nasty. So is doing so to someone for the change in his pocket or a combination of homicidal whim and random victim vulnerability. The penalties should be harsh for any of those motives. In some states it is, in some states it isn't. Massachusetts may be a state that needs to ask the Federal government to do the prosecution to keep itself from paroling guys like Robida.
    I think hate crime laws may have more value at the misdemeanor level. It seems like there should be a harsher penalty for painting "Kill the ______s!" on a big rock than for painting "A loves B", or "Hooray for our team!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disgruntled
    I certainly hope that the police and prosecutors are successful in getting the killer.
    Police have now accomplished their part of that; he's been arrested in Arkansas. A police officer and a still-unidentified woman who reportedly was a passenger in the suspect's car were killed in an exchange of gunfire; the suspect, Jacob D. Robida was wounded.

    Not many details available yet, but the story is here: http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D8FIK6205.html

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    In about ten years or so, when Arkansas is preparing to execute Robida, liberals may be feeling a bit conflicted as they recall his crimes in Massachusetts.

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    This guy should burn. Grrrr. Although such behaviour happen all the time online, even here at WHT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by freak
    Although such behaviour happen all the time online, even here at WHT...
    Huh? We're talking about a guy who started attacking people with a hatchet. People sometimes get angry with each other here, but I'm not sure there's much physical violence. (And I've never seen any intolerance based on race, orientation, etc., either.)

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    Awful story. I hope that guy gets caught, and gets the death penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by freak
    This guy should burn. Grrrr. Although such behaviour happen all the time online, even here at WHT...
    If you can tell me how to bury a hatchet in someone's head via the internet, I'm interested in subscribing to your newsletter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abvex
    This is an example of Christian Terrorist, oh wait since he is a christian he is just a criminal...heh western media.
    Been waiting a while to make that comment hey?

    Turned out the killer's an atheist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ub3r
    Awful story. I hope that guy gets caught, and gets the death penalty.
    As I mentioned earlier, he has been caught. Recent reports say he was shot twice in the head by police, and killed a police officer. A woman who was a passenger in his car was killed -- the local prosecutor says that the suspect shot her, but police so far have not confirmed that and said more investigation is necessary to determine how she was shot.

    As for the suspect, Jacob Robida, the prosecutor said regarding his condition as a result of his bullet wounds: "it doesn't look good right now."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Bob
    Been waiting a while to make that comment hey?

    Turned out the killer's an atheist.
    Quite possible. Although some Neo-Nazis use Christian Identity as a means of giving their hate a religious spin, not all do. It's just a tool on the toolbelt. Hitler himself was not religious. He considered the possibility of using Norse mythology as a state religion, but he pretty much scrapped the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayC
    As I mentioned earlier, he has been caught. Recent reports say he was shot twice in the head by police, and killed a police officer. A woman who was a passenger in his car was killed -- the local prosecutor says that the suspect shot her, but police so far have not confirmed that and said more investigation is necessary to determine how she was shot.

    As for the suspect, Jacob Robida, the prosecutor said regarding his condition as a result of his bullet wounds: "it doesn't look good right now."
    I missed that part, sorry.

    Well, if he's close to dying, I would say it is looking pretty good right now.

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    If you can tell me how to bury a hatchet in someone's head via the internet, I'm interested in subscribing to your newsletter.
    Lol, hate is hate, whether you think it, or you act it out. To me it is the same. Someone abusing a gay on the net might very well turn out to be the guy who buries a hatchet in some gay's head in real life....

    Huh? We're talking about a guy who started attacking people with a hatchet. People sometimes get angry with each other here, but I'm not sure there's much physical violence. (And I've never seen any intolerance based on race, orientation, etc., either.)
    Well, someone PMed me saying that besides white people, all other races are stupid and have stupid culture. Considering the fact that I am from the other race, that's racial hate IMO.

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    Lol, hate is hate, whether you think it, or you act it out. To me it is the same. Someone abusing a gay on the net might very well turn out to be the guy who buries a hatchet in some gay's head in real life....
    I think there are different degrees of hate. I hate people who believe women should be held with a higher priority than men. That doesn't mean i'm going to go sneak a gun into a filming of the dr. phil show, and open fire on the crowd.

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    I think there are different degrees of hate. I hate people who believe women should be held with a higher priority than men. That doesn't mean i'm going to go sneak a gun into a filming of the dr. phil show, and open fire on the crowd.
    Yea, cause you hate their opinions, not what they are borned with. People are entitiled to their own opinions and should take responsibility for that i.e. other people hating them for that opinion.

    However, if a person is borned to a certain race, or if a person is borned with a particular sexuality (assuming sexuality is in borned), it'll be unfair if you hate him for that won't it?

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    Yea, cause you hate their opinions, not what they are borned with. People are entitiled to their own opinions and should take responsibility for that i.e. other people hating them for that opinion.
    That's true, people aren't born feminists.

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    The suspect has died of his wounds. From a punitive standpoint it's a bit unsatisfying to think that from the moment the bullets entered his head he may have been unaware of being mortally wounded. From the standpoint of public safety it's good to be rid of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disgruntled
    The suspect has died of his wounds. From a punitive standpoint it's a bit unsatisfying to think that from the moment the bullets entered his head he may have been unaware of being mortally wounded. From the standpoint of public safety it's good to be rid of him.

    I would of rather seen him stay in prison for life with out getting out but I guess this will do. People like that make me sick.

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    his friends make me wanna vomit all over my screen.

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    Without a myspace.com log-in the jakejekyll page doesn't display. I'll take a guess and figure that guys like Robida get encouragement while alive and praise after they're dead from their fellow psychopaths.

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    Good riddance.
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    It seems Myspace has wiped out his profile and created another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babychi
    Neo-Nazi does not equal terrorist.
    I'm going to have to disagree with this statement. People that commit extreme acts of violence because they disagree with that person or peoples lifestyle is what I would consider the very definition of terrorism. Al Qaeda hates Americans, they commit acts of violence against Americans. Neo-Nazis hate Gays, and they commit acts of violence against gays. It pretty hard to seperate the 2 based on their actions. The only thing that differs is their radical idea's which even then isn't that much different.

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    I don't know if there is a good boundary between "terrorist" and regular criminal. It's all criminality. I think terrorism implies some underlying organization fighting a war, but it's a war against mostly civilian targets of convenience, and it is fought without uniforms. The terrorist will try to blend in with bystanders or intended victims up to the moment of attack.

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