01-22-2006, 04:49 PM
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Do not do business with Luke Dyson (XingaCube)
Recently I posted a thread selling the domains geekhire.com/.net/.org in the domain offers. I was contacted by Luke Dyson and we came to an agreement of $95 for all three domains.
I came home today to find an email from Mr. Dyson telling me he didn't want the domains anymore and to either refund his money or he was going to issue a complaint. I told him no, all domain sales are final and he has issued a paypal complaint even though he has the domains in his posession. I'm now on hold with paypal trying to fight this. Below I will include all proof:
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This email is to confirm the recent change of registrant of the =
following domain name(s):
GEEKHIRE.COM, GEEKHIRE.NET, GEEKHIRE.ORG
The change of registrant has been completed by the new registrant and =
the information has been recorded in our system.
If for any reason this information is incorrect or you feel this change =
of registrant request was made in error, please contact us within 15 =
days at mailto upport@godaddy.com.
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[root@plesk1 root]# whois geekhire.com
[Querying whois.internic.net]
[Redirected to whois.godaddy.com]
[Querying whois.godaddy.com]
[whois.godaddy.com]
The data contained in Go Daddy Software, Inc.'s WhoIs database,
while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is"
with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This
information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you
in obtaining information about domain name registration records.
Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior written
permission of Go Daddy Software, Inc. By submitting an inquiry,
you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. In particular,
you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible,
dissemination or collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any
purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and
and solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further agree
not to use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic
processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose,
including mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes.
Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, Go Daddy Software, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.
Registrant:
Luke Dyson
71 Westway
London, SW209LT
United Kingdom
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: GEEKHIRE.COM
Created on: 16-Jul-04
Expires on: 16-Jul-07
Last Updated on: 18-Jan-06
Administrative Contact:
Dyson, Luke luke[at]xignacube.com
71 Westway
London, SW209LT
United Kingdom
07793200938
Technical Contact:
Dyson, Luke luke[at]xignacube.com
71 Westway
London, SW209LT
United Kingdom
07793200938
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.XIGNACUBE.COM
NS2.XIGNACUBE.COM
[root@plesk1 root]# whois geekhire.net
[Querying whois.internic.net]
[Redirected to whois.godaddy.com]
[Querying whois.godaddy.com]
[whois.godaddy.com]
The data contained in Go Daddy Software, Inc.'s WhoIs database,
while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is"
with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This
information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you
in obtaining information about domain name registration records.
Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior written
permission of Go Daddy Software, Inc. By submitting an inquiry,
you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. In particular,
you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible,
dissemination or collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any
purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and
and solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further agree
not to use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic
processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose,
including mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes.
Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, Go Daddy Software, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.
Registrant:
Luke Dyson
71 Westway
London, SW209LT
United Kingdom
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: GEEKHIRE.NET
Created on: 07-Jan-05
Expires on: 07-Jan-07
Last Updated on: 18-Jan-06
Administrative Contact:
Dyson, Luke luke[at]xignacube.com
71 Westway
London, SW209LT
United Kingdom
07793200938
Technical Contact:
Dyson, Luke luke[at]xignacube.com
71 Westway
London, SW209LT
United Kingdom
07793200938
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.XIGNACUBE.COM
NS2.XIGNACUBE.COM
[root@plesk1 root]# whois geekhire.org
[Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
[whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
NOTICE: Access to .ORG WHOIS information is provided to assist persons in
determining the contents of a domain name registration record in the Public Interest Registry
registry database. The data in this record is provided by Public Interest Registry
for informational purposes only, and Public Interest Registry does not guarantee its
accuracy. This service is intended only for query-based access. You agree
that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that, under no
circumstances will you use this data to: (a) allow, enable, or otherwise
support the transmission by e-mail, telephone, or facsimile of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations to entities other than
the data recipient's own existing customers; or (b) enable high volume,
automated, electronic processes that send queries or data to the systems of
Registry Operator or any ICANN-Accredited Registrar, except as reasonably
necessary to register domain names or modify existing registrations. All
rights reserved. Public Interest Registry reserves the right to modify these terms at any
time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy.
Domain ID 105538549-LROR
Domain Name:GEEKHIRE.ORG
Created On:07-Jan-2005 21:47:54 UTC
Last Updated On:18-Jan-2006 20:20:30 UTC
Expiration Date:07-Jan-2007 21:47:54 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Go Daddy Software, Inc. (R91-LROR)
Status:OK
Registrant ID:GODA-016769695
Registrant Name:Luke Dyson
Registrant Street1:71 Westway
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:London
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal CodeW209LT
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.07793200938
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:luke[at]xignacube.com
Admin ID:GODA-216769695
Admin Name:Luke Dyson
Admin Street1:71 Westway
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:London
Admin State/Province:
Admin Postal CodeW209LT
Admin Country:GB
Admin Phone:+44.07793200938
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:luke[at]xignacube.com
Tech ID:GODA-116769695
Tech Name:Luke Dyson
Tech Street1:71 Westway
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:London
Tech State/Province:
Tech Postal CodeW209LT
Tech Country:GB
Tech Phone:+44.07793200938
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:luke[at]xignacube.com
Name Server:NS1.XIGNACUBE.COM
Name Server:NS2.XIGNACUBE.COM
Name Server:
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01-22-2006, 04:58 PM
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Also here is the other bit of the aim convo:
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[14:11] Xigna Support: 07793200938
[14:12] Xigna Support: (Link: mailto:<< removed >>)<< removed >>
[14:13] Xigna Support: ill look
[14:13] Xigna Support: not yet i haven't
[14:15] Xigna Support: got it
[14:17] Xigna Support: Got them :0
Session Close (Xigna Support): Wed Jan 18 18:42:14 2006
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and Mr. Dyson's email:
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Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:59:02 -0600
From: Ross Hosman << removed >>
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Subject: Re: geekhire.com/.net/.org
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and the answer is still no
On 1/22/06, Luke Dyson << removed >> wrote:
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> Of course refunds are possible. You will just need to find a new buyer.
> I'm giving you a second chance else I will have to go through PayPal.
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> Regards,
> Luke Dyson
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> *From:* Ross Hosman << removed >>
> *Sent:* 22 January 2006 19:22
> *To:* Luke Dyson
> *Subject:* Re: geekhire.com/.net/.org
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> Sorry this was a no refund transaction.....it's domains
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> On 1/22/06, *Luke Dyson* << removed >> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> I would like to get a refund and push the domains back to you. If not I
> will have to take it up with PayPal.
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> Regards,
> Luke Dyson
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> Ross Hosman
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Ross Hosman
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01-22-2006, 04:58 PM
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Thank god paypal complaints are usually in favor of the seller if the transaction was online. Then, you have the proof.
Hope you get to keep your money.
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01-22-2006, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by excelblue
Thank god paypal complaints are usually in favor of the seller if the transaction was online. Then, you have the proof.
Hope you get to keep your money.
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Ya....but it took away 30 minutes of my life that I'll never get back...I wonder if I can sue for the monetary value of those 30 mintues :-) hehe j/p
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01-22-2006, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by excelblue
Thank god paypal complaints are usually in favor of the seller if the transaction was online. Then, you have the proof.
Hope you get to keep your money.
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I dont agree
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01-22-2006, 05:06 PM
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All I asked for is a common refund and I'll push the domains back to you. Under US, UK and European laws a customer is entitled to a refund regardless of reason as long as there is proof of purchase.
If you were to have simply refunded myself you would not find yourself in this situation. You never stated before sale that it was non-refundable either.
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01-22-2006, 05:09 PM
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Under US, UK and European laws a customer is entitled to a refund regardless of reason as long as there is proof of purchase.
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But was the transaction private, or were you buying the domains from a company?
If it's a private transaction I am fairly certain the same rules do not apply.
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01-22-2006, 05:10 PM
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a deal is a deal, and you can only ask politely to cancel it, while stating it with reasons
then its his decision to refund or not
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01-22-2006, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Xigna Hosting
All I asked for is a common refund and I'll push the domains back to you. Under US, UK and European laws a customer is entitled to a refund regardless of reason as long as there is proof of purchase.
If you were to have simply refunded myself you would not find yourself in this situation. You never stated before sale that it was non-refundable either.
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Two words: Grow up.
You made a purchase of domain names, if you don't want them now, tough noogies. Put them up for sale on WHT (or eBay) and try and get your money back.
Your argument is both pathetic and childish and I hope you lose your PayPal dispute.
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01-22-2006, 05:23 PM
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I think that you should have mentioned that there is no refund before you sold those domains, but the buyer should have also thought it through.
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01-22-2006, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by animecivil
I think that you should have mentioned that there is no refund before you sold those domains, but the buyer should have also thought it through.
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If you go through and register xxxyyyzzz.com through godaddy or any other registrar and decide 5 days later that you don't want the domain will they give you a refund? No they won't and niether will I 
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01-22-2006, 05:31 PM
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I agree with that
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01-22-2006, 05:40 PM
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RossH decided he would give me more than a sentence reply and we came to a decision and the complaint was removed. Had he have provided me a reply of more than a sentence I would have been fine without the refund with the information he was able to pass on to me.
So there I am no scammer, cheater or lier. This thread can be locked.
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01-22-2006, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Xigna Hosting
RossH decided he would give me more than a sentence reply and we came to a decision and the complaint was removed. Had he have provided me a reply of more than a sentence I would have been fine without the refund with the information he was able to pass on to me.
So there I am no scammer, cheater or lier. This thread can be locked.
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*Shakes his head*
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[15:07] XignaCube: Hi, if you just offer me my money back we will have no problems. You seem to be very unfair not to allow a refund.
[15:07] XignaCube: I will push the domains back once the refund is recieved.
[15:08] XignaCube: Or I can push now.
[15:08] Auraka: still no.......and your also going to lose the paypal complaint, they don't get involved for entagible items
[15:10] XignaCube: I'm sure we could solve this personally. I do not see why you have to spam WHT with this. If you were to even listen to me you would know that I need a refund for a very serious personal reason. I just want to give you the domains back and get a refund. Now I think its rather scamming not to offer a refund.
[15:12] Auraka: i don't take kindly to people threatening me with a paypal dispute so personal reason or not...you did the deed
[15:12] XignaCube: I'm happy to cancel the complaint but you are seeming unreasonable.
[15:12] XignaCube: You had an offer from someone else for $100 so I don't see your problem here anyway.
[15:14] Auraka: my problem is now it is the principle
[15:14] XignaCube: What do you mean?
[15:14] XignaCube: The principle?
[15:14] Auraka: yes siree
[15:14] XignaCube: Look I'm even willing to take just a $80 refund which gives you a $15 profit from this anyway.
[15:14] XignaCube: Are you willing to even do that?
[15:15] Auraka: it's not about the $$ to me heh....it's now about teaching you a hard business lesson
[15:16] XignaCube: I know how business works man and I have had my fair share of lessons.
[15:16] XignaCube: I'm just asking for a $80 refund.
[15:16] Auraka: well what are you going to learn from this
[15:17] Auraka: you are going to lose the paypal complaint.....and have negative press on WHT.......what have you accomplished?
[15:17] XignaCube: I know I have accomplished nothing, I am just trying to get an honest $80 refund for something I brought.
[15:18] Auraka: and the answer is still no
[15:18] XignaCube: And nothing will change your mind? Why not may I ask?
[15:19] Auraka: Well...I might have done it if you had asked me nicely in the first email with reasons stating why instead of threatening me with a complaint
[15:19] Auraka: but since you chose that route
[15:19] Auraka: now you can live with it
[15:20] XignaCube: Look I am sorry, I will remove the complaint. I was as nice as I could be when you replied with: a rather sound no. Feels like I was being scammed.
[15:20] Auraka: you have the domains do you not.....
[15:21] Auraka: then there is no scam
[15:21] XignaCube: Not with the domains but with the refund.
[15:22] XignaCube: I appreciate this is wasting your time but I really just want to refund the deal and move on.
[15:22] Auraka: well.....thats nice and I appreciate that fact....and my answer is still no
[15:24] XignaCube: I don't see why you won't if the $$ isn't even an issue. For some of us it is. I'm sorry man but I really need this.
[15:24] Auraka: and I'm sorry you made some poor decisions
[15:24] Auraka: welcome to business
[15:25] XignaCube: Man please, prove yourself to be bigger than business and just give me the part refund. I'll cancel the complaint now even.
[15:26] Auraka: I believe we are done here
[15:27] XignaCube: Please can you at least give me the contact details for the guy that also wanted these domains.
[15:29] XignaCube: ...
[15:29] Auraka: **** **** ***** [at]gmail.com
[15:30] XignaCube: Now if you had only been so helpful to begin with you wouldn't find yourself in this position. I encourage in future you provide details of sales.
[15:30] Auraka: kid...I just did you a favor
[15:31] Auraka: so don't lecture me :-)
[15:31] XignaCube: Which really makes up for posting my PHONE NUMBER, ADDRESS, AIM, EMAIL at WHT. I suggest removing my private contact details before I get staff to remove the thread.
[15:32] Auraka: it's all in public whois
[15:35] Auraka: so......nice try....
[15:37] XignaCube: Yes but that doesn't give you the right to give it to WHT spammers and trollers. 
[15:37] XignaCube: WHT mods will remove it anyway.
[15:37] Auraka: *sigh* some kids will never learn
[15:38] XignaCube: I pity you then.
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01-22-2006, 05:47 PM
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I'm good with computers.
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Originally Posted by Xigna Hosting
So there I am no scammer, cheater or lier. This thread can be locked.
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Maybe you don't have the title, but that doesn't mean you're any better. As was said before: grow up.
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