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    * Iraq: Rumsfeld band the word 'insurgents'

    Washington, 30 Nov. (AKI) - The US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld has banned the use of the word 'insurgents' when referring to the militants operating in Iraq. "Over the weekend I thought to myself. 'You know, that gives them a greater legitimacy than they seem to merit," he told journalists during a Pentagon briefing on Tuesday. "It was an epiphany," he said, throwing his hands in the air.

    Rumsfeld encouraged those at the briefing to consult their dictionaries for the definition of 'insurgent', which, according to one Oxford dictionary means "a rebel", while insurrection is defined as "rising against established authority".

    "These people aren't trying to promote something other than disorder, and to take over that country and turn it into a caliphate and then spread it around the world. This is a group of people who don't merit the word 'insurgency', I think," Rumsfeld said.

    However, the ban proved a problem for the recently-appointed Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Peter Pace, who ran into trouble as the briefing continued, stumbling and pausing as he struggled to come up with a new word to describe the Iraqi insurgents. "I have to use the word 'insurgent' because I can't think of a better word right now," he admitted to Rumsfeld, who immediately suggested "'Enemies of the legitimate Iraqi government', how's that?". But, while discussing explosive devices Pace then used the 'I' word again, prompting Rumsfeld to recoil in mock horror.

    Pace also proved himself to be no 'yes' man. When questioned about torture by the Iraqi authorities, Rumsfeld said "obviously, the United States does not have a responsibility." Pace, however, evidently disagreed, telling the briefing "It is the absolute responsibility of every US service member, if they see inhumane treatment being conducted, to intervene, to stop it."

    When Rumsfeld tried to correct him, saying, "I don't think you mean they have an obligation to physically stop it; it's to report it," Pace stood his ground. "If they are physically present when inhumane treatment is taking place, sir, they have an obligation to try to stop it," the Joint Chiefs Chairman stated.

    Commenting on the briefing, Washington Post opinionist Dana Milbank wrote that despite leading the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 as defence secretary, Rumsfeld came across at times as someone simply observing the Iraq war on television. He deflected one question about the use of white phospherous on the battlefield onto General Pace, and asked how widespread the abuse in Iraq was, he answered: "I am not going to be judging it from 4,000 miles away."

    Asked about "uniformed death squads" in Iraq, after the brother of a prominant Sunni leader murdered along with his sons last week said the killers had Iraqi army uniforms and vehicles, Rumsfeld first tried to avoid answering, saying "I'm not going to comment on hypothetical questions." On the journalist pointing out that it was not hypothetical the defence secretary then suggested that the death-squad allegations could be politically motivated, before saying, "I just don't know. I can only talk about what I know." And with an exaggerated shrug of the shoulders he rounded off his answer with, "That's life".


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    I found it interesting that Rumsfeld made that statement at a press briefing scheduled to discuss the "National Strategy for Victory in Iraq," which was released that same day -- a document in which the word "insurgents" is used over and over.
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    "Insurgents"... bah, hate the word. The way I see it, they gotta call it like it is.

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    Interesting words... from what i've read only a few more press conferences before Mr. Rumsfield steps down...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RealtorHost
    Interesting words... from what i've read only a few more press conferences before Mr. Rumsfield steps down...
    He denied that just today. Not that that means it won't happen, of course.

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    Orwell is rolling in his grave:

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    Rumsfeld isn't going anywhere. The media has picked up some rampant speculation about Joe Liebermann replacing him. No source has ever been claimed, not even an anonymous one, for the resignation story.

    As far as calling an insurgency an insurgency, if my threads weren't unacceptable in this here lounge some of y'all might have read my post on the matter last Wednesday. The President's first speech in this "Iraq Victory Strategy" thread was on Veteran's Day, this one on Pearl Harbor Day, amidst the continuing effort to compare the Iraq war to WWII:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0051207-1.html

    At no time is the word "insurgent" used in any way shape or form. Rumsfeld may not have gotten ELIG through, but he still gets his way, which means he's staying put. To fire him, after all, would show a lack of resolve. The President talks about "armed gangs" in Najaf. Armed gangs of what, I ask? Insurgents, possibly? The term our troops use is "POI". That's "pissed-off Iraqi".
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    Washington, 30 Nov. (AKI) - The US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld has banned the use of the word 'insurgents' when referring to the militants operating in Iraq. "Over the weekend I thought to myself. 'You know, that gives them a greater legitimacy than they seem to merit," he told journalists during a Pentagon briefing on Tuesday. "It was an epiphany," he said, throwing his hands in the air.
    This was several weeks ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by astraeuz
    Pace also proved himself to be no 'yes' man. When questioned about torture by the Iraqi authorities, Rumsfeld said "obviously, the United States does not have a responsibility." Pace, however, evidently disagreed, telling the briefing "It is the absolute responsibility of every US service member, if they see inhumane treatment being conducted, to intervene, to stop it."
    This was closer to the Nov. 30 date claimed, but wasn't the same press conference. It was reported in the same Washington Post article this source ripped.

    Commenting on the briefing, Washington Post opinionist Dana Milbank wrote that despite leading the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 as defence secretary, Rumsfeld came across at times as someone simply observing the Iraq war on television. He deflected one question about the use of white phospherous on the battlefield onto General Pace, and asked how widespread the abuse in Iraq was, he answered: "I am not going to be judging it from 4,000 miles away."
    This is still a third press conference. This is why, in my threads, I cite references and don't twist and distort facts to support my arguments while plagiarizing the works of others as "AKI" has done here.

    Quote Originally Posted by astraeuz
    Asked about "uniformed death squads" in Iraq, after the brother of a prominant Sunni leader murdered along with his sons last week said the killers had Iraqi army uniforms and vehicles, Rumsfeld first tried to avoid answering, saying "I'm not going to comment on hypothetical questions." On the journalist pointing out that it was not hypothetical the defence secretary then suggested that the death-squad allegations could be politically motivated, before saying, "I just don't know. I can only talk about what I know." And with an exaggerated shrug of the shoulders he rounded off his answer with, "That's life".
    This is a patchwork quilt of distortion and propaganda. As I pointed out with a direct citation of the press conference in a removed thread, the "death squad" question was from last February, not last week. The "That's life" answer was from last week, but the "I can only talk about what I know" was that February press conference. To which week does "last week" refer, and where has Rumsfeld ever answered a direct question about a murdered Sunni leader?

    You just can't publish one question, followed by someone's answer to another question, like that. No offense astreuz, but this source appears to be more Italian propaganda.

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