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    Building our own Data Centre

    Any thoughts, advice or news regarding building a data centre in uk.

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    What sort of thing are you looking to do (how big)? What's your budget, what's your current experience. It's a fairly open question and it's hard for someone to just come along and tell you everything thats needed!
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    We want to start initially with 20 servers.
    Budget is arround 5000
    We are providing hosting for sometime now, but new to building our own data centre obviously.

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    Colocate or get rack space. Your not building a datacenter for £5000.
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    To be honest, £5000 isn't going to build you much of a data center. There are SO MANY variables, expensive ones, that you have to take into consideration and £5000 is just not going to cover it.

    You're better off spending that £5000 on colocating the 20 servers...
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    thsnks for your advice fellas
    any ideas how much it would cost for lets say 20 servers in your view.
    and where is good place to buy bandwidth.

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    The pricing is still pretty variable, if they are 1u servers you can get 20 in 1/2 rack, if they are 2u you'll need a whole rack... Your best bet is to do a search of the colocation forum on data centers in the UK.
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    Not sure I understand the question. You have been hosting for 'sometime' now but don't know where to buy bandwidth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defcon|Rich
    Not sure I understand the question. You have been hosting for 'sometime' now but don't know where to buy bandwidth?
    Transit.

    Try contacting www.goscomb.co.uk and www.ikcs.net for some transit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defcon|Rich
    Not sure I understand the question. You have been hosting for 'sometime' now but don't know where to buy bandwidth?
    There is no harm in learning from other people experiences. We know where to buy bandwidth obviosly but It does not mean that what we know is good.
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    lets see registration date 11/26/2005 (through Hostgator), stolen testimonials, busy support forums (1 member, 1 post) and the funniest of all is on the front page of the support forum "One Thousand new customers for WSFEB on 06/12/2005"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave B
    lets see registration date 11/26/2005 (through Hostgator), stolen testimonials, busy support forums (1 member, 1 post) and the funniest of all is on the front page of the support forum "One Thousand new customers for WSFEB on 06/12/2005"
    What exactly you want to prove
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    oops, did I say stolen testimonials and not mention all the text is stolen.

    what am I trying to prove? fraud
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave B
    oops, did I say stolen testimonials and not mention all the text is stolen.

    what am I trying to prove? fraud
    We have not stolen any testimonials and we are a fair and honest company.
    Regarding the 1000 customers of WSFEB. These are old customers of our hosting company which was run by another name and we have transfered them to out new servers rescently.
    Please Can you tell us the site whcih has same testimonials as our website.

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by wsfeb
    We have not stolen any testimonials and we are a fair and honest company.
    Regarding the 1000 customers of WSFEB. These are old customers of our hosting company which was run by another name and we have transfered them to out new servers rescently.
    Please Can you tell us the site whcih has same testimonials as our website.

    Thanks
    What was the other companies name, just wondering...
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    Google matches both of the testimonials on your front page to a site called webhosting.uk.com, which attributes them to other people. Either you've ripped it from them or they've ripped it from you.

    This is one of the oddest threads I've read in recent times. If you were serious about building a data centre, surely you'd realise that land alone costs hundreds of thousands of pounds in even the cheapest of areas in the UK? To build an entirely new data centre would run into millions...
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    Tough crowd
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    We will contact this company regarding these testimonials.
    Thanks for your help.
    I know somebody from that company worked with the old company which we had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Cornwall
    Google matches both of the testimonials on your front page to a site called webhosting.uk.com, which attributes them to other people. Either you've ripped it from them or they've ripped it from you.

    This is one of the oddest threads I've read in recent times. If you were serious about building a data centre, surely you'd realise that land alone costs hundreds of thousands of pounds in even the cheapest of areas in the UK? To build an entirely new data centre would run into millions...
    We are not planning anything big. Just 10 to 20 servers to expand our business.
    We are trying to hire a place rather than buying it.
    Thanks for your advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wsfeb
    We will contact this company regarding these testimonials.
    Thanks for your help.
    I know somebody from that company worked with the old company which we had.

    That would make sense (to a newbie) if that was all that was stolen and the only company you stole from.

    BTW, you failed to answer the question about the previous name of your "company"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave B
    That would make sense (to a newbie) if that was all that was stolen and the only company you stole from.

    BTW, you failed to answer the question about the previous name of your "company"

    D
    We dont feel to tell our all business history to you.
    Infact your website has nothing original or interesting so you better concentrate on yuor backyard.
    Thanks
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    Maybe you should not have made the claim if you were not prepared to answer inquiries about it. Your fear to answer the posters simple question(which you brought up) and the childish remark in regards to my own site speaks volumes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave B
    Maybe you should not have made the claim if you were not prepared to answer inquiries about it. Your fear to answer the posters simple question(which you brought up) and the childish remark in regards to my own site speaks volumes.
    ... and checkmate!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave B
    Maybe you should not have made the claim if you were not prepared to answer inquiries about it. Your fear to answer the posters simple question(which you brought up) and the childish remark in regards to my own site speaks volumes.
    Whish questions we did not answer. You are accusing us for stealing testimonials from other sites and this is not true.
    So there is nothing to discuss.
    Our message was simply to hear anything about building a cheap and basic data centre and you twisted the issue.
    And because of our business interests we dont want to tell the previous name of this business, which in our view in totally fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Take-IT-EZZI
    You don't build a datacenter to house 20 servers, that is the very reason colocation exists.
    Who told you that. there are many sites who are running their hosting not more than 30 servers. and all are owned by them at their own placa. Would you call it a data centre or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wsfeb
    Who told you that. there are many sites who are running their hosting not more than 30 servers. and all are owned by them at their own placa. Would you call it a data centre or not.
    I would not call it a datacenter, no.

    Why?

    I work in a real datacenter.

    How are you going to have redundant power, redundant high speed network, proper cooling, room for expansion, proper wiring, on a low budget with only 20 servers to bring in revenues?

    The math doesn't work. Running a datacenter costs A LOT of money, beleive me I know.

    It just makes more sense financially to colo, someone went out and spent the money on infrastructure for a larger facility, and rents that space out to you for a price. And for that price you get all the nice things you couldn't afford to have in your own make-shift datacenter.

    The alternative is to put some UPSs and air conditioners in your basement or something, and spend your own money on the things you need to provide a stable environment, but even after spending that money, you still can't compete with even the worst of datacenters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wsfeb
    Whish questions we did not answer. You are accusing us for stealing testimonials from other sites and this is not true.
    I accused you of stealing more than just testimonials from one website. I accuse you of stealing more copyrighted text from other websites as well, another subject which you are struggling to find a good excuse to avoid.
    Quote Originally Posted by wsfeb
    And because of our business interests we dont want to tell the previous name of this business, which in our view in totally fair.

    Thanks

    which means 1 of 2 things, it was a flat out lie to begin with or you scammed people with the other host and are trying to start fresh without anybody tying you and the original scam together.

    I am thinking you should drop your current name and grab a third, try not to screw that one up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave B
    I accused you of stealing more than just testimonials from one website. I accuse you of stealing more copyrighted text from other websites as well, another subject which you are struggling to find a good excuse to avoid.



    which means 1 of 2 things, it was a flat out lie to begin with or you scammed people with the other host and are trying to start fresh without anybody tying you and the original scam together.

    I am thinking you should drop your current name and grab a third, try not to screw that one up.
    Have you improved your website?
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    wsfeb: How about the fact your just copied hostgators TOS?

    http://www.wsfeb.com/tos.htm

    and

    http://www.hostgator.com/tos.shtml

    I'm sure they didn't steal yours...

    EDIT: And your FAQ is their's http://www.wsfeb.com/faq.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsfeb
    Have you improved your website?
    looks like a good site to me...not to cluttered, good info....excellent IMHO...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Take-IT-EZZI
    I would not call it a datacenter, no.

    Why?

    I work in a real datacenter.

    How are you going to have redundant power, redundant high speed network, proper cooling, room for expansion, proper wiring, on a low budget with only 20 servers to bring in revenues?

    The math doesn't work. Running a datacenter costs A LOT of money, beleive me I know.

    It just makes more sense financially to colo, someone went out and spent the money on infrastructure for a larger facility, and rents that space out to you for a price. And for that price you get all the nice things you couldn't afford to have in your own make-shift datacenter.

    The alternative is to put some UPSs and air conditioners in your basement or something, and spend your own money on the things you need to provide a stable environment, but even after spending that money, you still can't compete with even the worst of datacenters.


    We really appreciate your word of advice.
    What do you recommend about colocating. Which is best in your experience.
    Rackspace is leader in this field in UK. But we have read some nasty reviews about them.
    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by wsfeb
    We really appreciate your word of advice.
    What do you recommend about colocating. Which is best in your experience.
    Rackspace is leader in this field in UK. But we have read some nasty reviews about them.
    thanks
    I can't tell you who is best, because I run the best datacenter in the world and that would be shameless self promotion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaserv
    wsfeb: How about the fact your just copied hostgators TOS?

    http://www.wsfeb.com/tos.htm

    and

    http://www.hostgator.com/tos.shtml

    I'm sure they didn't steal yours...

    EDIT: And your FAQ is their's http://www.wsfeb.com/faq.htm

    Rus
    They provide standard templates with reselling accounts which we used.
    and nothing is illegal or wrong with it .

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by wsfeb
    Have you improved your website?
    ROTFLMAO..here's a few more replies to valid statements...

    "I know you are what am I?"
    "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me!"
    "Bounces off me and sticks to you!"

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    What do you suggest I do to improve my poor poor site...stealing content?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLightWhost
    looks like a good site to me...not to cluttered, good info....excellent IMHO...

    Thank you.
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    I guess http://www.eukhost.com/ either gave you permission to use the front page text as well or they stole it from your new site which just opened a week and a half ago.
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    I'm Laughing so hard by reading this thread.
    BTW 'Dave B', Nice site
    I am reading this and thinking, is this a kid on the other side of "Wsfeb" Or what is wrong with this picture?
    Anyways, why are you taking text from other sites, you know that is wrong

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