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12-02-2005, 09:47 AM #26Temporarily Suspended
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Originally Posted by scribbytech
That does not matter at all! It doesn't matter if the people buying it have a choice, they are still selling drugs which is ILLEGAL. You may not agree with the way he was executed but if you do a crime like this then you have to know that when you get caught you are going to be tried under there laws and he obviously knew that.0
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12-02-2005, 09:47 AM #27Web Hosting Master
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I still rember the day Ronald Ryan was executed in Australia. I remeber it vididly and that was nearly 40 years ago. I was against capital punishment then and I am still against it.
No body has the right to take another persons life .. period.
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12-02-2005, 10:19 AM #28Web Hosting Evangelist
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Originally Posted by Vortex-Steve
Originally Posted by adam
He would of known the law, but he had to break it to gain some cash to pay off the debts of his brother, this was wrong but he did not deserve to die.
Im not saying that selling drugs should be legal or anything of the sort, but it does not deserve the death penalty.
Originally Posted by oodie
But then again there may be some countrys where you do have to worry about drug addict's and criminals, but im just saying not having the death penalty for drug traffiking does not instantly make the country a haven for criminals and drug addict's.
I feel that your just going to keep objecting to what im saying so I will leave it at that.
I basicly agree with everything Yash-JH said.
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12-02-2005, 10:31 AM #29Temporarily Suspended
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12-02-2005, 10:38 AM #30Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by Vortex-Steve
Surely consuming drugs can lead to death due to overconsumption, but please the person consuming the drugs is 200 times more guilty for using a banned subtance than any drug trafficker.
A drug trafficker does what he does for money. It's a crime, its illegal and the trafficker deserves to be punished. Someone as young as him could certainly get back on the right track after maybe a 10 or 15 year sentence. But Singapore decided that his life was the only adequate punishment.
Human trafficking is a bigger problem IMHO than Drug trafficking. The conditions these people can be transported in, against their will are appaling. None of these countries gives the death sentence for human trafficking (indonesia has been a source of some of the recent cases). At least with drug trafficking, no one is being forced to do anything and the entire system is a money-making one, where the end-consumer is a willing user of banned subtances. Human trafficking involves inflicting untold misery on the people that that are part of a human trafficking racket.init.me - Build, Share & Embed
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12-02-2005, 12:11 PM #31Web Hosting Master
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And anyone who thinks the crime fit the punishment please put yourself in his boots, would you think in all honesty you deserved to die because you had 15g of heroin which you were trafficking to pay off your brothers debits.0
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12-02-2005, 12:55 PM #32Web Hosting Evangelist
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12-02-2005, 12:57 PM #33Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by anon-e-mouse
I do think the law is too harsh in that country, but in this world - people suffer the consequences of their actions.
He should have respected the laws of that country.
I have 0 respect for anyone who breaks the law to such an extent.
I think the situation does set alarm bells ringing as to the justification of the punishment, in the same way that Texan law sets my alarm bells ringing.
Most importantly, I find it worrying that Singapore is a member of the UN (21 Sep. 1965). The UN holds very little respect for me if they harbour and support these actions.
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12-02-2005, 01:03 PM #34Web Hosting Master
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Someone please enlighten me but I have heard that in Singapore when you buy chewing gum they ask to take a DNA sample of you so that if they find gum in a public place they will try and track down who was responsible for throwing that gum. I hear that throwing gum on the ground warrants a $1000+ fine. Is this true?
Killing someone is not the answer, this guy could of done so much in return. There was a poll in Australia and apparently 50% of Australians supported the hanging. I find that disgusting. I guess people would have more sympathy if a cute puppy dog was going to be hanged then a fellow human being with emotions.I have servers at: NetDepot/GNAX (A), SoftLayer (A), LiquidWeb (B+), DedicatedNow (B+), Nectartech (B) and more!0
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12-02-2005, 01:15 PM #35Web Hosting Evangelist
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with 400 grams pure stuff, 26000 more ppl will suffer. prior landing in Singapore, there will be some announcement regarding death penalty to bring drugs into Singapore. That's the risk that you have to take for fast bucks.
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12-02-2005, 01:25 PM #36Mac User
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12-02-2005, 01:43 PM #37Junior Guru
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Its simple,
Dont go to a place if you dont like the laws of there , and if you go there and break the law you deserve to be punished according to the laws of that country.
If it was someone from 3rd world country like somewhere in Africa hanged due to this , you wouldnt have heard anything about it . And now that its someone from Australia it hurts ? Right .
They hanged one person so as to stop other people from Drug trafficing and possibly saved people who could used the drugs . Isnt that better than killing 1000s of people to just catch 1 or 2 terrorist ? The life of those 1000 people doesnt hurt anyone ?0
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12-02-2005, 03:51 PM #38Web Hosting Master
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the crime is a deterrent. its to send a message to other people that if you attempt to traffic drugs through our country, or attempt to sell them to our citizens, you'll suffer very serious consequences. Whether you agree with it or not, that is the law of that country, and you have a choice - you can go to that country and not break any of their laws, and you might well enjoy yourself. you can go to teh country and break teh law, and if you get caught then you'll suffer the consequences under said countrys' law
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12-02-2005, 05:25 PM #39Junior Guru Wannabe
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Rest in peace.
It was all over the news today.0
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12-02-2005, 05:27 PM #40Junior Guru Wannabe
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and yes i agree with most of you.
the law is really tight in Singapore.
and gum chewing is now allowed, only those medicated ones ( stop smoking gums) ROFL0
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12-02-2005, 05:29 PM #41Web Hosting Master
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You committ a crime, expect a punishement...
Being from Austrilia does not make a difference...
Sad how people can get so symbothic for a criminal...
I believe that drug dealers should be executed...
A man who commits murder only kills one person, those who drug deal not only "kill" one but hundreads..
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12-02-2005, 05:58 PM #42Web Hosting Master
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12-02-2005, 06:02 PM #43Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally Posted by oodie
Can you imagine how heart-wrenching it is for the mothers and fathers of children all around the world who don't get a chance to hold hands with their offspring before the drugs kill them, let alone hug them. Drugs which, especially in Australia, are generally brought in through Asia.
Best she be forced to keep her distance, for all involved.
Singapore is a very beautiful country. Alot of the world's most beautiful destinations have strict laws in place. So it works. The rest of the world could learn alot from countries whose harsher penalities actually serve as a deterrent to crime. Meanwhile, I'll keep visiting these beautiful countries, and respecting their own laws.0
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12-02-2005, 06:06 PM #44Web Hosting Master
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When in Rome....
I don't support the death penalty personally... but if you can't live by the rules a society puts in place for its people, then you shouldn't be going there in the first place... Singapore's in a peculiar situation... they're a hub for heroin and drug trafficking due to their location in Asia. Not every country is like yours, so that's all I have to say about it.0
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12-02-2005, 06:36 PM #45Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by virginia
And stop the whole guilt trip about drugs killing people. Using drugs is a choice - noone forces you to buy heroin
Oh, and dont bring Iraq into this - the people here didnt support the war, there was a protest of near a million people in London. I didnt see a million people in Singapore protesting against death penalty.
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12-02-2005, 07:45 PM #46Web Hosting Master
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It's interesting that governments today are killing people for transporting a product that will one day be legalised, and controlled by these same governments. They're loosing massive amounts of taxation, by not getting a slice of this industry - be it from a consumer tax and from the revenue earned from the manufacturing and distribution of this product.
The Aussie government makes billions of dollars a year in cigarette taxation, and they would make that amount again in the form of taxation on "illegal" drug manufacturing and distribution.
Yes, as much as I despise the use of these "illegal" drugs (heroin, cocaine etc), they're going to have to eventually legalise and regulate its distribution and usage, if they want to control the industry. Keeping the industry underground makes it impossible to control.
Regarding the 50% of Aussies who support the death penalty in this case - ok I'll say it (not that I agree) - he's a man and he's not an "Aussie". He's Asian. If he was a blonde haired blue eyed good looking female Aussie (aka Shappell Corby), the outroar from the Aussie public (and media) would have been enormous, and the Aussie government would have been under huge pressure to intervene and stop the execution.• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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12-02-2005, 07:46 PM #47Web Hosting Master
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12-02-2005, 08:29 PM #49Home Theater Enthusiast
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Well if you're a drug trafficker I know one place you won't be likely to peddle your wares Singapore!
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