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    Unhappy Australian man hanged at dawn today

    CONVICTED Australian drug trafficker Van Tuong Nguyen showed courage going to his death at the gallows in Singapore, his lawyer Lex Lasry, QC, said today.
    Nguyen's body was removed from Changi Prison a little more than four hours after the execution.

    The 25-year-old was hanged at Changi at 6am local time (9am AEDT), while his mother Kim grieved with friends and relatives at a nearby church at the scheduled time of the hanging.
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    Whilst I appreciate different country's laws, I found them very cold in that they wouldn't allow the Mother to hug her son before his death. They did allow them to touch hands through a small grill though. RIP Van
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    Very,very sad..........

    Surprising they would not let him hug her!!!!!!!!!

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    I am never going to asia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ub3r
    I am never going to asia.
    Asia is very large, and Singapore is just one of two countries that I know of that hangs drug traffickers. The other is Malaysia.
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    what do the others do?
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    Vietnam is all set to sentence two more to the firing squad.
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    Very sad, but an Australian, we *all* know you don't deal with drugs in many Asian countries - you instead show 'extreme' respect for their culture and ideals.

    I should note that some of the greatest people I've ever met have been from both Singapore and Malaysia, both as people, but also their sense of humor while staying in Australia.

    The government of those countries is tough, but the people there seem to work within those laws just fine. It seems a shame to me that visitors seem to feel they're outside those same laws.
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    I feel the greatest sympathy for the mother

    However I still don't see the point behind such a harsh sentence. He is young, certainly a jail sentence and some correctional education could have put him on the right path.
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    I don't really see the point either, but they make the rules, and everyone should be expected to follow them.
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    I feel sympathy for the mother. But he has been given a fair trial and exhausted all legal venues. Though I hope that there wouldn't be death sentences, I dun feel anyone should play God at all. On one hand I feel sad for the family , but on the other I feel proud that our nation has upheld its laws against extreme pressures from the big nations. Laws are meant to be obeyed, if you don't like or don't agree with our laws, you shouldn't visit us in the first place. After breaking the laws, we see all sorts of opportunist politicians trying to gain political capital playing up the hopes and feelings of the family, it is quite ironical.

    The argument that he has a reason to do that because he needs to pay off the debts of his brother don't stand at all. Every criminal has a reason. But every crime has its punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yash-JH
    . . . However I still don't see the point behind such a harsh sentence. He is young, certainly a jail sentence and some correctional education could have put him on the right path.
    Killing them is just more efficient and cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akashik
    Very sad, but an Australian, we *all* know you don't deal with drugs in many Asian countries - you instead show 'extreme' respect for their culture and ideals.

    I should note that some of the greatest people I've ever met have been from both Singapore and Malaysia, both as people, but also their sense of humor while staying in Australia.

    The government of those countries is tough, but the people there seem to work within those laws just fine. It seems a shame to me that visitors seem to feel they're outside those same laws.
    Oh please, why should we show respect to countries that use the death sentence for such minor things.
    USA might also have it, but they dont hand it out lightly.

    The governments are also corrupt in 90% of the cases, or supress the people (eg China).

    Oh, and boonchuan, your laws are BS, how can you support death penalty for 15g of heroin (thats what the law states).
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    Quote Originally Posted by boonchuan
    Though I hope that there wouldn't be death sentences, I dun feel anyone should play God at all. On one hand I feel sad for the family , but on the other I feel proud that our nation has upheld its laws against extreme pressures from the big nations. Laws are meant to be obeyed, if you don't like or don't agree with our laws, you shouldn't visit us in the first place.
    This is from a 'local' in Singapore and re-enforces what I've been saying. 'boonchuan' is a valued member here and is hardly oppressed by these laws.

    While having never lived in an Asian country north of Australia I do know that the Australian Government has always tended to 'stick their fingers' into local nation's politics.
    After breaking the laws, we see all sorts of opportunist politicians trying to gain political capital playing up the hopes and feelings of the family, it is quite ironical.
    I agree once more. The amount of times I've seen the local AU news going on about how "We'll get them back home", and stepping all over other nation's laws and political perspectives is, frankly, annoying.

    I'd like to think the Australian government would spend some time on political, or ideological prisoners rather than these guys caught smuggling or using drugs in countries they *know* may, and often will, cost them their lives.... for a bit of cash - if they're not caught.
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    Drug trafficking is not minor, and your post shows you are not a person to be treated seriously

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Fernandez
    Oh please, why should we show respect to countries that use the death sentence for such minor things.
    USA might also have it, but they dont hand it out lightly.

    The governments are also corrupt in 90% of the cases, or supress the people (eg China).

    Oh, and boonchuan, your laws are BS, how can you support death penalty for 15g of heroin (thats what the law states).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Fernandez
    Oh please, why should we show respect to countries that use the death sentence for such minor things.
    So we should just disrespect and ignore any country that doesn't believe in what your own country of origin does - even when you travel there as a guest within their own country?

    I might not agree with some countries values.. but you can better believe I'll respect them while I'm there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Fernandez
    The governments are also corrupt in 90% of the cases, or supress the people (eg China).
    Naturally you have some data to back that up, correct?
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    Every person knows a crime is punishable. But sometimes circumstances or how the person was brought up as a child makes him view crime lightly.

    Surely if a person commits a crime, he should be punished. But a chance should be given to him to put himself straight. The death penalty should be reserved for hardcore criminals who do not show sympathy for taking innocent lives. But this is a young adult who was probably misguided. Singapore, by giving him the death penalty is saying they do not care if he can reform himself to be a good person, and rather want to set him as an example so others do not commit this crime. Setting an example of a person doesn't deliver justice to the person who is going to be the example. That isn't how a justice system is suppose to work in a liberal country. It's suppose to look at ways to correct, not extinguish life.

    Im not against the death penalty, but it must be reserved for those who truly do not deserve life. Is singapore saying this guy doesn't deserve life?
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    boonchuan, what do you think of the policy of hanging as a death sentence? There has been some talk today that that your people are starting to consider this a barbaric act in this day and age.
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    My personal opinion is that the death sentence should be abolished. Especially mandatory death sentences. Mandatory leaves no room for mercy and mercy should be part of the justice system. But having said that, I feel no nations' laws are perfect. On our side, we made it very clear to everyone that here there is a mandatory death sentence, if the person still insist to commit the crime here. The law has to be apply equally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boonchuan
    Drug trafficking is not minor, and your post shows you are not a person to be treated seriously
    15g of heroin is hardly major trafficking (your law states mandatory death penalty for anything above 15g).

    The fact that your country still has the death penalty for such minor things clearly illustrates that the majority of people are not against it (else they would have put alot more pressure on government over this case).
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    I dont think the death penalty should be in place for such things as drug trafficing in any country, if you knowingly take the life of another human then I believe its a just cause for that person to get the death penalty, we should all have the right to live and a right to proper justice not just a country who wants one less full jail cell.

    He would of known the law, but he had to break it to gain some cash to pay off the debts of his brother, this was wrong but he did not deserve to die.

    And anyone who thinks the crime fit the punishment please put yourself in his boots, would you think in all honesty you deserved to die because you had 15g of heroin which you were trafficking to pay off your brothers debits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scribbytech
    And anyone who thinks the crime fit the punishment please put yourself in his boots, would you think in all honesty you deserved to die because you had 15g of heroin which you were trafficking to pay off your brothers debits.
    Heroin kills. If he had 1 gram and intention to sell it, he was guilty. There is nothing minor about heroin.

    Btw I am against death penalty, but I would not dare to be so rude and not consider that some countries have different history, customs and laws. Everyone has a choice and I would not chose to live and pay taxes in the country that has death penalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sasha
    Heroin kills. If he had 1 gram and intention to sell it, he was guilty. There is nothing minor about heroin.

    Btw I am against death penalty, but I would not dare to be so rude and not consider that some countries have different history, customs and laws. Everyone has a choice and I would not chose to live and pay taxes in the country that has death penalty.
    The people who buy the Heroin have a choice, compaired to someone killing another human on purpose 99% of the time the person who dies does not have the choice, Ive never heard of anyone who has killed someone asking the person they kill if they would like to be killed or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scribbytech
    And anyone who thinks the crime fit the punishment please put yourself in his boots, would you think in all honesty you deserved to die because you had 15g of heroin which you were trafficking to pay off your brothers debits.
    Just to clarify, he brought close to 400gr of heroin which is equals to 26,000 doses on the street.

    I do feel sorry for him because he's so young and probably was confused and desperate to help his brother. He looked like a nice guy too (from the picture). But still he did a crime. If he managed to go through to Australia, he would've indirectly killed hundreds or thousands of his fellow countrymen who use the drugs.

    Although I somewhat agree with boonchuan that mercy should be part of justice system, it's hard to draw the line. Assume we let him go, others may use similar excuses that generate public's sympathy to get away with their crime. And assume the next criminal is also a foreigner, it will be highly political issue.

    One thing that I disagree here is that they never let his mother hug him before the execution. But again, there may be reasons behind it that I don't know yet.

    Having lived here for years, I appreciate the fact that I can go out at night alone without worrying about drug addict and criminals on the street. I feel that especially after each overseas trip.
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    What if the drugs he had taken in had led to the deaths of 5 people? Then would you of supported the death penalty? (Not aimed at anyone in particular).
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    Quote Originally Posted by scribbytech
    The people who buy the Heroin have a choice, compaired to someone killing another human on purpose 99% of the time the person who dies does not have the choice, Ive never heard of anyone who has killed someone asking the person they kill if they would like to be killed or not?

    That does not matter at all! It doesn't matter if the people buying it have a choice, they are still selling drugs which is ILLEGAL. You may not agree with the way he was executed but if you do a crime like this then you have to know that when you get caught you are going to be tried under there laws and he obviously knew that.
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    I still rember the day Ronald Ryan was executed in Australia. I remeber it vididly and that was nearly 40 years ago. I was against capital punishment then and I am still against it.

    No body has the right to take another persons life .. period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex-Steve
    What if the drugs he had taken in had led to the deaths of 5 people? Then would you of supported the death penalty? (Not aimed at anyone in particular).
    They still have the choice not to take the heroin, its like smoking, it will one day lead to an early death, but do they hang the people who make & distribute cigarettes no?

    Quote Originally Posted by adam
    That does not matter at all! It doesn't matter if the people buying it have a choice, they are still selling drugs which is ILLEGAL. You may not agree with the way he was executed but if you do a crime like this then you have to know that when you get caught you are going to be tried under there laws and he obviously knew that.
    The way he was executed I did not even comment on, its the fact that he was not given any mercy and did not really deserve death. & what ive allready posted::

    He would of known the law, but he had to break it to gain some cash to pay off the debts of his brother, this was wrong but he did not deserve to die.

    Im not saying that selling drugs should be legal or anything of the sort, but it does not deserve the death penalty.

    Quote Originally Posted by oodie
    Having lived here for years, I appreciate the fact that I can go out at night alone without worrying about drug addict and criminals on the street. I feel that especially after each overseas trip.
    Australia (where I live) does not have the death penalty for drug traffiking, but I still feel safe going out at night and not worrying about drug addict's & criminals on the street.

    But then again there may be some countrys where you do have to worry about drug addict's and criminals, but im just saying not having the death penalty for drug traffiking does not instantly make the country a haven for criminals and drug addict's.

    I feel that your just going to keep objecting to what im saying so I will leave it at that.

    I basicly agree with everything Yash-JH said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yash-JH
    Every person knows a crime is punishable. But sometimes circumstances or how the person was brought up as a child makes him view crime lightly.

    Surely if a person commits a crime, he should be punished. But a chance should be given to him to put himself straight. The death penalty should be reserved for hardcore criminals who do not show sympathy for taking innocent lives. But this is a young adult who was probably misguided. Singapore, by giving him the death penalty is saying they do not care if he can reform himself to be a good person, and rather want to set him as an example so others do not commit this crime. Setting an example of a person doesn't deliver justice to the person who is going to be the example. That isn't how a justice system is suppose to work in a liberal country. It's suppose to look at ways to correct, not extinguish life.

    Im not against the death penalty, but it must be reserved for those who truly do not deserve life. Is singapore saying this guy doesn't deserve life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scribbytech
    The way he was executed I did not even comment on, its the fact that he was not given any mercy and did not really deserve death. & what ive allready posted::

    He would of known the law, but he had to break it to gain some cash to pay off the debts of his brother, this was wrong but he did not deserve to die.

    Im not saying that selling drugs should be legal or anything of the sort, but it does not deserve the death penalty.
    It doesn't matter if his brother had a debt...he still tried to traffic drugs into that country, he knew the law, and he broke it so he has to live with outcome of it. He knowingly trafficked drugs. These kill, people kill when they are on drugs, I have 0 sympathy for drug dealers/traffickers. (sp?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex-Steve
    What if the drugs he had taken in had led to the deaths of 5 people? Then would you of supported the death penalty? (Not aimed at anyone in particular).
    No I wouldn't. Because he never had any intention or motive of killing. To be guilty of murder, it must be an act the person committed intentionally.

    Surely consuming drugs can lead to death due to overconsumption, but please the person consuming the drugs is 200 times more guilty for using a banned subtance than any drug trafficker.

    A drug trafficker does what he does for money. It's a crime, its illegal and the trafficker deserves to be punished. Someone as young as him could certainly get back on the right track after maybe a 10 or 15 year sentence. But Singapore decided that his life was the only adequate punishment.

    Human trafficking is a bigger problem IMHO than Drug trafficking. The conditions these people can be transported in, against their will are appaling. None of these countries gives the death sentence for human trafficking (indonesia has been a source of some of the recent cases). At least with drug trafficking, no one is being forced to do anything and the entire system is a money-making one, where the end-consumer is a willing user of banned subtances. Human trafficking involves inflicting untold misery on the people that that are part of a human trafficking racket.
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    And anyone who thinks the crime fit the punishment please put yourself in his boots, would you think in all honesty you deserved to die because you had 15g of heroin which you were trafficking to pay off your brothers debits.
    It was more than 15 grams. He had packs taped to his body and more in his backpack. It wasn't an accident and he can't claim that it wasn't his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by virginia
    It was more than 15 grams. He had packs taped to his body and more in his backpack. It wasn't an accident and he can't claim that it wasn't his.
    The amount was allready stated before, I was just reading the first few posts which said 15g so I wrote that.

    Quote Originally Posted by virginia
    It wasn't an accident and he can't claim that it wasn't his.
    He didnt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yash-JH
    No I wouldn't. Because he never had any intention or motive of killing. To be guilty of murder, it must be an act the person committed intentionally.

    Surely consuming drugs can lead to death due to overconsumption, but please the person consuming the drugs is 200 times more guilty for using a banned subtance than any drug trafficker.

    A drug trafficker does what he does for money. It's a crime, its illegal and the trafficker deserves to be punished. Someone as young as him could certainly get back on the right track after maybe a 10 or 15 year sentence. But Singapore decided that his life was the only adequate punishment.

    Human trafficking is a bigger problem IMHO than Drug trafficking. The conditions these people can be transported in, against their will are appaling. None of these countries gives the death sentence for human trafficking (indonesia has been a source of some of the recent cases). At least with drug trafficking, no one is being forced to do anything and the entire system is a money-making one, where the end-consumer is a willing user of banned subtances. Human trafficking involves inflicting untold misery on the people that that are part of a human trafficking racket.
    Totaly agree there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon-e-mouse
    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17431097-2,00.html

    Whilst I appreciate different country's laws, I found them very cold in that they wouldn't allow the Mother to hug her son before his death. They did allow them to touch hands through a small grill though. RIP Van
    He was a drug trafficker - he deserves a harsh punishment.
    I do think the law is too harsh in that country, but in this world - people suffer the consequences of their actions.
    He should have respected the laws of that country.
    I have 0 respect for anyone who breaks the law to such an extent.
    I think the situation does set alarm bells ringing as to the justification of the punishment, in the same way that Texan law sets my alarm bells ringing.

    Most importantly, I find it worrying that Singapore is a member of the UN (21 Sep. 1965). The UN holds very little respect for me if they harbour and support these actions.

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    Someone please enlighten me but I have heard that in Singapore when you buy chewing gum they ask to take a DNA sample of you so that if they find gum in a public place they will try and track down who was responsible for throwing that gum. I hear that throwing gum on the ground warrants a $1000+ fine. Is this true?

    Killing someone is not the answer, this guy could of done so much in return. There was a poll in Australia and apparently 50% of Australians supported the hanging. I find that disgusting. I guess people would have more sympathy if a cute puppy dog was going to be hanged then a fellow human being with emotions.
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    Alex Fernandez,

    with 400 grams pure stuff, 26000 more ppl will suffer. prior landing in Singapore, there will be some announcement regarding death penalty to bring drugs into Singapore. That's the risk that you have to take for fast bucks.

    your country isnt perfect either. invading other sovereign countries.
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    Someone please enlighten me but I have heard that in Singapore when you buy chewing gum they ask to take a DNA sample of you so that if they find gum in a public place they will try and track down who was responsible for throwing that gum. I hear that throwing gum on the ground warrants a $1000+ fine. Is this true?
    Fine maybe. But the DNA thing is fictitious.

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    Its simple,

    Dont go to a place if you dont like the laws of there , and if you go there and break the law you deserve to be punished according to the laws of that country.

    If it was someone from 3rd world country like somewhere in Africa hanged due to this , you wouldnt have heard anything about it . And now that its someone from Australia it hurts ? Right .

    They hanged one person so as to stop other people from Drug trafficing and possibly saved people who could used the drugs . Isnt that better than killing 1000s of people to just catch 1 or 2 terrorist ? The life of those 1000 people doesnt hurt anyone ?
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    the crime is a deterrent. its to send a message to other people that if you attempt to traffic drugs through our country, or attempt to sell them to our citizens, you'll suffer very serious consequences. Whether you agree with it or not, that is the law of that country, and you have a choice - you can go to that country and not break any of their laws, and you might well enjoy yourself. you can go to teh country and break teh law, and if you get caught then you'll suffer the consequences under said countrys' law
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    and yes i agree with most of you.

    the law is really tight in Singapore.

    and gum chewing is now allowed, only those medicated ones ( stop smoking gums) ROFL
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