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Old 11-30-2005, 02:59 AM
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News :: Congestion Charge to go nationwide, GPS tracking, taxes on parking spaces...


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The Times November 29, 2005

Congestion charge to be rolled out nationwide
By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent



CONGESTION charging is to be extended to towns and cities across England under government plans for a fundamental change in the way drivers pay for using the roads.

Local authorities in seven areas were yesterday awarded £7 million to develop a model charging scheme that will be rolled out over the entire road network in the next 10-15 years.

The authorities will study new technology that can target motorists who travel at the busiest times, charging them up to £1.34 a mile.

They will also consider new taxes on workplace parking spaces to deter people from driving to work. Parking meter charges will increase sharply and thousands of bays will be converted from long-stay to short-stay.

Alistair Darling, the Transport Secretary, made clear that the new charging schemes would be much more sophisticated than the £8 daily toll in Central London. He believes that Ken Livingstone’s scheme is too crude because it is based on a flat rate that fails to take account of distance travelled or the amount of congestion.

Mr Darling wants towns and cities outside London to test electronic tagging and satellite tracking systems that allow charges to be directly related to the level of traffic on the roads.

The seven areas taking part in the studies are Greater Manchester, West Midlands, Tyne & Wear, Cambridgeshire, Durham, Shrewsbury and a coalition of authorities around Bristol and Bath.

Mr Darling said that the studies would not necessarily result in charging schemes in every city involved. But he said that the first scheme would be announced within 18 months and one or two areas would start charging drivers by 2008 or 2009.

These schemes would allow the technology to be tested before it was adopted by other areas.

The Government has allocated up to £200 million a year from 2008 to help local authorities introduce charging systems. Participating councils will also be given greater control over local bus services in a move that is likely to anger private bus companies.

Mr Darling said: “If you tell people the city is too congested for their cars, you have to offer them a proper bus service.

“It’s inconceivable to me that we will not give (councils) additional controls so buses can be coordinated with everything else.”

Several councils taking part in the studies had been lukewarm about the idea of congestion charging until Mr Darling assured them that they would receive extra funding for public transport. Manchester hopes that Mr Darling will unblock funding for extensions to its tram network in return for its cooperation in testing congestion charging.

The city plans to work with Norwich Union, which has launched a “pay-as-you-drive” insurance policy under which 5,000 customers’ cars are tracked by satellite. The same system could also be used to charge tolls that vary according to distance and time.

The West Midlands also favours a system of flexible tolls but voiced concerned that regions could lose trade to their neighbours if they made driving more expensive.

A third of small businesses in London say that they have considered relocating out of the congestion charge zone because profits have slumped. However, it has had some success in reducing traffic levels with statistics showing that the number of miles travelled by cars in London has decreased by about 1.5 per cent since its introduction in February 2003.

Tyne & Wear is considering using profits from its proposed charging scheme to compensate businesses for loss of trade.

It is also studying whether to use some of the revenue to give a council tax rebate to city centre residents to compensate for traffic pollution.

Cambridge is proposing a charge that would be “fiscally neutral” for the average motorist, who would receive “credits” for public transport equal to the sum paid in tolls. But high-mileage drivers would pay more than they do now.

Mr Darling said that a national charging scheme would replace either fuel duty or vehicle excise duty but could result in an increase in the overall sum paid by motorists. He had previously suggested that a national scheme would be revenue neutral.

“It is impossible to predict what the tax regime is going to be 2015,” he said. “But I’m convinced that without more radical measures road congestion will get worse.

“Local and regional pilots are essential if we are to explore and understand the possibilities of road pricing at national level.”

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Full article, source :: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...895483,00.html


You might know that i don't drive myself, but regardless i think the government's got it a tad wrong strategically wiith all this [That might be putting it mildly].

I'll say this though, the M6 Toll has been great whenever we've used it.


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Old 11-30-2005, 09:03 AM
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Critic, you always bring bad news.

I agree with you about the M6 toll I use it regularly.
What baffles me is, if they need/want more motorists to use the toll road then hiking the price upto £3.50 is not going to get you any.

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Old 11-30-2005, 09:06 AM
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The authorities will study new technology that can target motorists who travel at the busiest times, charging them up to £1.34 a mile.
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:00 AM
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Is this a real story, or one of those tabloids? Looks a little rediculous to me to charge someone by the mile.

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Old 11-30-2005, 01:21 PM
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they been talking about this for a long time, and it will effect everyone, not only drivers, who do you think companies are going to pass the cost on to? all products, food, services, gass, electric, water, etc will increase

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Old 11-30-2005, 02:06 PM
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Is this a real story, or one of those tabloids? Looks a little rediculous to me to charge someone by the mile.
The Times is a well respected paper. I think the problems such as privacy and technical issues will mean we don't see this coming into action any time soon.

If they did introduce this would current road tax and tax on petrol be removed? If so then it may just even out overall.

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i wouldnt mind, but the public transport system really f*cks me off as its so sodding useless (im a non-driver btw, and i get the train every day)

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i wouldnt mind, but the public transport system really f*cks me off as its so sodding useless (im a non-driver btw, and i get the train every day)
prices of that will increase, how do you think the tracks are maintained? by engineers who drive to the location that they are maintaining, how are the trains delivered? how are parts delievered? how is the food on the train delivered? if a company has to pay X amount more they will not take it out of there profit they will simply increase prices to the end user


[quote=Vortex-Steve]If they did introduce this would current road tax and tax on petrol be removed? If so then it may just even out overall.[quote]

you really think they will remove current road tax and tax on petrol? did you forget for a moment your in england lol, they will simply find some excuse to still use the same tax on top, most likely will rename it to something else

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EDIT: Have just read no other taxes will be removed. Seems like a bad idea to me now!

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If a litre of unleaded petrol costs 85p, 21.7p will be the production costs and profit, around 51p will be duty and 12.5p will be VAT on top of all that. so it will all come down to how they price the roads, fair enough if you only do a few miles a day it wont really effect you, but if your a haulage company that does xx,xxx miles a day delivering food to your shops, the price will increase dramatically, when they were first talking about doing this i was speaking to a taxi man, and we worked out that he will roughly be paying £6,000 a year in road tax on this new system. Its all to do with making more money, you really think it will make a dramatic effect, many people will still need to use there cars/vans/trucks every day the same. what about bus's will they be exempt from paying extra money as most busses run from 5am till 11pm through ruch hour traffic and on main busy routes, fire engines? ambulances? police cars? breakdown services? they all still have to pay, so council tax will increase to cover the cost. and petrol in itself will increase as how many trucks are driving over the country filling up petrol stations? its a very clever idea to make a hell of a lot of £££ without people realising it till its too late.

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prices of that will increase, how do you think the tracks are maintained? by engineers who drive to the location that they are maintaining, how are the trains delivered? how are parts delievered? how is the food on the train delivered? if a company has to pay X amount more they will not take it out of there profit they will simply increase prices to the end user
the train companies, as well as charging silly amounts already, also get 6.5billion in subsidies a year. I dont really care about all of the above. the trains i get are mostly full - chances are each train journey pays for itself a lot of times over..

we went privatised, but really we should have competing services on the same lines - that'll stop the rot

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Time to pack my bags and move out of this pathetic little country
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