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11-29-2005, 12:18 PM #1rogue element
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If you don't want me to participate...
In general, the mods do a very good job. But sometimes it seems that the thread-tossing is a little militant. I feel my participation here isn't appreciated and is not worth my effort when that happens, and it's been happening a lot lately.
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11-29-2005, 12:57 PM #2Dennis Johnson
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BigBison. The only threads you have started that I see removed are those that you seem to be carrying on a discussion with yourself.
When you start a thread and no one responds, it's an indicator that perhaps it's not suitable for this audience.
We have a policy regarding thread bumping. So, when no one responds other than you, it's pretty easy to see why you've had threads removed.
I'd suggest you start a blog. In fact, I'd encourage it.
I have no doubt that it would be quite popular.
I know I'd visit.
But, we can't have members using the Lounge here for their blogging. Sorry.There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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11-29-2005, 12:57 PM #3Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by BigBison
Errrr, that means if you want to blog, setup a blog, and maybe link to it in your WHT sig. You have amazing content (as seen from your blogging on WHT), and your blog would attract a lot of attention.• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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11-29-2005, 01:30 PM #4rogue element
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Yes, you mods made your point about my threadblogging habits and I modified my behavior. However, I would point to the number of views my "talking to myself" threads get before agreeing that my topics are unsuitable. Have I complained about any of the threads or posts I've had removed until now? No.
http://www.iwdn.net/showthread.php?t=3449
You guys seem to be proactively censoring me now, if you are I don't appreciate it. Updating a thread with new and relevant information, instead of creating a fresh topic, is quite different from the threadblogging behavior the mods objected to. If you were worried that I would continue to "bump" this thread, then why not just lock it (or the other threads) instead of deleting everything I have to say? Perhaps if you had given it some time, my post this morning would have been replied to?
If you're trying to send a "don't blog in the lounge" message, you're overdoing it and coming across as "go away".
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11-29-2005, 03:07 PM #5Eternal Member
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Originally Posted by SoftWareRevue
Originally Posted by SoftWareRevue
Originally Posted by BigBison
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11-29-2005, 04:08 PM #6Disabled
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Ya know, this problem could be solved with a simple hack that would just add the poster's newest statements onto the end of his post when the latest post on the thread when posting was made by the same member.
You know what i mean? Let's say there was 1 post by BigBison, and then a half hour passed, and nobody posted. So, BigBison went back to the thread, and wrote up some additional notes. Instead of making 2 seperate posts, it would just take the contents of BB's 2nd post, and stick it onto the end of the first post.
It could also be hacked to not update the last posts column. that way, the thread isn't automatically brought up to the front.
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11-29-2005, 04:40 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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11-29-2005, 04:43 PM #8Retired Moderator
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this problem could be solved with a simple hack
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11-29-2005, 06:12 PM #9Retired Moderator
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The hack like that that is currently out completely destroys the post if you make it after the edit time has expired. ProSlacker would have to write a new one.
Also Vito there is a fine line between thread bumping and additional relevant information. You may see additional relevant information when a mod sees a bump, or the other way around.
Finally what you are posting looks very much like a blog entry or article. Start up a blog, it would be interesting and most likely get alot of hits.
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11-29-2005, 06:26 PM #10Disabled
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That's how NamePros has theirs. Not going to advertise it, do a search.
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11-29-2005, 08:55 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by BigBison
Your very content rich political posts are perfectly suited for a blog platform, and not WHT. I don't know why you're not blogging. You have a gift that would be very popular on the blogging platform.• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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11-30-2005, 03:47 AM #12Disabled
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I don't think this is about politics not belonging at wht. This is just about thread bumping not being appropriate. Political discussion is fine, just as long as it isn't repeatedly bumped to the top of the forum list as a result of the OP trying to force discussion.
We're not telling BB to go away. He's more than welcome to post here. Just don't bump threads to the top over and over again.
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11-30-2005, 10:09 AM #13Dennis Johnson
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Originally Posted by ub3r
If we allow one member to blog here, we'd have to allow anyone to blog here. And, trust me, you don't want everyone blogging here.
It's not just about bumping threads, or carrying on a conversation with ones' self, or pushing an ideal. It is about using this medium for something that is much suited elsewhere.
An occasional political 'discussion' is fine. But, if you just want to post and have others read, do it in your blog.
If you want to blog; blog. Just don't blog here.
Yes, you mods made your point about my threadblogging habits and I modified my behavior. However, I would point to the number of views my "talking to myself" threads get before agreeing that my topics are unsuitable.
Just because someone doesn't reply to the thread doesn't necessarily mean it is an inappropriate thread.
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11-30-2005, 10:17 AM #14Eternal Member
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I can see both sides. And this is certainly not a black and white issue. Clearly, blog-type posts should be posted in your own blog (and I agree with Aussie Bob that BB definitely has a very talented pension for a very successful and popular personal blog).
I guess the key is to differentiate between blog-type posts versus posts that invite community discussion. A difficult task to be sure.
(Which is yet another reason why I would never want the responsibility of being a Mod - my head would friggin explode trying to figure all this stuff out... )
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11-30-2005, 10:22 AM #15Web Hosting Master
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imo, I personally dont mind his "blog" like posts, and a hack that will simply append it to the previous post would sort the problem out. You can still have a discussion about his topic in the thread, and thats the general idea.
And there is nothing wrong with political posts on WHT, it might actually educate the majority (that lack a few clogs).
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11-30-2005, 10:23 AM #16Web Hosting Master
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Originally Posted by vito
Come on BB, start the freakin blog!!
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11-30-2005, 11:21 AM #17rogue element
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My posting style is my posting style and has been for as long as I've posted here, if you want to call it "blog-like" then I guess you can. When I apply my style to a lounge thread about current events, I'm told I'm doing something wrong. Would you like me to cross-post a hundred threads where I've made ten or more posts back-to-back without anyone complaining? That mods have participated in? The only time I've been warned for thread-bumping was probably reported by Gen-T.
The only time the mods seem to take exception is when those are political posts in the lounge. Also, let's not overlook my actual complaint here. Why can't those threads be locked, instead of deleting well over 100 of my posts this month? I'd feel more welcome to stay and contribute if those threads were locked instead of constantly removed. But I won't be changing a posting style I've established here without complaint over the past year and a half. "Go start a blog" means "stay out of the lounge" which is the message I'm not happy to be receiving here. I would think that with my contributions to this forum, I'd be allowed to blow off some steam in the lounge without becoming WHT enemy #1.
I just don't see where making a dozen posts in one thread hurts anyone. Perhaps my lounge threads would get more responses if they didn't get pushed down so fast by those who open a dozen lounge threads daily.
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11-30-2005, 11:48 AM #18rogue element
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Originally Posted by SoftWareRevue
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11-30-2005, 05:04 PM #19Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally Posted by BigBison
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11-30-2005, 07:32 PM #20Originally Posted by BigBison
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11-30-2005, 09:05 PM #21rogue element
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No, I was trying to kid with the mods, thought you had a sense of humor. Instead, I was taken word-for-word literally, which I still find bizarre.
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11-30-2005, 10:55 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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Even though Eric and I find ourselves at opposite poles of the political spectrum I find him to be intelligent and sincere in his efforts to learn and present information. He's also a very decent guy.
I have been frustrated a couple of times to post some very lengthy replies in a thread to have the entire thread deleted. I can appreciate the discouragement.
I agree that thread locking seems more appropriate because complete deletion of hours of typing is very discouraging and not just a little bit insulting. If the goal is to "discipline" the contributor then lock the thread but deletion of entire trains of thought unless it is out of the bounds of proriety just seems like a less than prudent course of action. I have even suspected that some folks have asked for deletion of threads because they have been intellectually embarassed. There are some inane thoughts that deserve deletion much more than Eric's even if he is a bit long-winded.
There's a reason why the national archives keeps even internet communications. I'm not suggesting that WHT is archiving profound thoughts all the time but neither is the information so trivial that entire contributions ought to be forever deleted.Rich
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11-30-2005, 11:42 PM #23Retired Moderator
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Originally Posted by BigBison
Note: This is to be used as a point of contact to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Other uses include, post edit requests, and anything you would think a moderator should see or look into.
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11-30-2005, 11:52 PM #24rogue element
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You're aware that wording wasn't there when I made the report in question, right? It came with the 3.5 upgrade. I don't IRC. Yes, I've kidded with the mods before. That's probably why I thought I could get away with calling myself a troll. By the way, I also spam for a living.
Was I expecting a flame or two? Yes. Does that mean I was trying to incite them? No. Was I surprised that they hadn't materialized? You bet! Post anything anti-Bush in the lounge if you aren't me and see what happens. That's why I asked in that report, "Do I have the right lounge?"Last edited by BigBison; 12-01-2005 at 12:00 AM.
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12-03-2005, 10:45 AM #25Disabled
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Originally Posted by BigBison
It's kind of sad actually, because what really ends up happening is the promotion of fear.... that is the fear of expressing genuine critical/creative/original thought all due to a silly/strict rule set that is in place to suppress literature. I mean come on, if it's not a troll or a flame, why suppress it? BigBison is one of the very few people on this forum who takes the time to intellectually charge his writing. Some people appreciate seeing this sort of style and effort in a post. Just because you or the majority of the demographic of users visiting this forum may not, doesn't mean it should be removed. It would be like sending the smartest kid in a grade 2 classroom to the office because his writing is twice as advanced as the rest of the class--in other words, utterly nonsensical.
I mean come on, you can rationalize it all you want with petty parallels comparing the writing to that of a blog--a horribly weak fall-back argument in itself (IMO)--, but in the end, the concept of suppressing creative and intelligent literature is really nothing short of absurd. It's mind blowing to me that there's even an argument about this at all.
In fact, to even further the point here, I had been planning on contributing to the very thread which was removed, but it had slipped my mind. I remember reading it a while back and pondering on a response, but I must have gotten tied up with something else in the moment and eventually forgot about it.
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For a prevalent example: regardless of the negative angle of his notorious attacks on my company, I enjoy debating with him none the less. I enjoy the challenge of it and I enjoy the opportunity that he presents me with to widen my company's ethical framework in a detailed manner.
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Again, suppressing rabid trolls is one thing, but suppressing creative/intellectual output is really nothing short of deplorable as far as I'm concerned.Last edited by mmaaaaattt; 12-03-2005 at 10:50 AM.