View Poll Results: Which is the better provider/server?

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  • LiquidWeb - LW Dual Core Opteron 265

    10 76.92%
  • Simpliz.biz - 2x Dual XEONs

    3 23.08%
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  1. #1
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    Question LW Dual Core Opteron 265 vs Simpli 2x Dual XEONs

    Which of these two providers/servers is the best and why? They're both the same price.

    The server(s) will host one domain with intensive MySQL usage and high traffic.

    The web site has 500 visitors and 1,000 forum members. So around 1,500 concurrent MySQL connections.

    • LiquidWeb.com
      Enterprise 2 Series
      Processor: Dual Core Opteron 265 (4 CPU Cores!)
      Memory: 4GB DDR Registered ECC
      Hd1: Dual 36GB SCSI / Hardware Raid 1
      Hd2: 120GB IDE Backup Drive
      50GB Remote Backup!
      2400GB premium bandwidth
      OperatingSystem: Linux - CentOS 4 (x86_64)
      ControlPanel: CPanel / Web Host Manager
      Fully managed support
      InitAdmin
      Fantastico and XController
      24/7/365 Phone and Helpdesk Support
      24/7/365 Pro-Active Service Monitoring
      100% Network Uptime Guarantee
      2 Hour Hardware Replacement SLA
    • Simpli.biz
      Two physical servers
      Fully managed support
      2000GB premium Tier-1 bandwidth which uses two network carriers
      (AboveNet and Peer1) who both guarantee 100% network and power uptime
      Server #1 Configuration (Web Server)
      Dual Xeon 2.8GHz / 800MHz front-side bus
      2GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (ECC registered)
      2x36GB 10,000RPM SCSI drives in a hardware RAID-1 array
      CentOS 4.1
      Server #2 Configuration (MySQL server)
      Dual Xeon 2.8GHz / 800MHz front-side bus
      2GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (ECC registered)
      2x36GB 10,000RPM SCSI drives in a hardware RAID-1 array
      CentOS 4.1


    I asked Erica of Simpli.biz about the advantages of having two physical servers and here was her reply (posted with her permission):

    Usually, when our customers approach us with this type of problem, we
    suggest two servers, one with MySQL installed and one that acts as the web
    server. This has several advantages over a single server, but the most
    notable advantage is that you can upgrade each server more easily. For
    instance, if MySQL needs more RAM, you can add RAM to just the MySQL server
    so that MySQL gains the full advantage of the RAM that you added.
    Conversely, if you find that one of your servers is overloaded, you can
    load-balance just the web portion or just the MySQL portion with multiple
    servers without having to upgrade your entire setup. This improves
    performance, lowers your cost, and allows unlimited scalability.

    This will enable you to grow quickly in the future. You
    can always add another server to this array to load-balance just one side of
    the configuration if necessary (another dual Xeon load-balancing your web
    server, or another dual Xeon replicating and load-balancing your MySQL
    database.)

    DirectAdmin control panel (recommended, but cPanel also available for the
    same price. We recommend DirectAdmin because it consumes fewer system
    resources than cPanel and will improve the performance of your server.)

    We usually recommend no control panel for the MySQL server, as there's no
    need for it, and a control panel slows down performance.
    My four main concerns are:
    • 1) Server speed and stability.
    • 2) Web host support which must be fast, pro-active, knowledgeable and helpful. I'm not an experienced server admin and both providers offer 100% fully managed services. Security hardening and MySQL optimization will be important. Using a third party server management company isn't an option.
    • 3) Solid network connectivity with high quality bandwidth, low pings, fast, fast, fast and reliable. Did I mention fast and reliable?
    • 4) Can someone please explain load balancing? How exactly does it benefit my situation? If the MySQL server is at 100%, is there anyway to utilize the other web server which isn't at 100% usage?


    I'd prefer to hear from former and current clients of LiquidWeb.com and Simpli.biz who are using similiar hardware.

  2. #2
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    1,000 Forum Members, 500 visitors and you are creating 1500 concurrent MySQL connections? You might want to look into upgrading your forum software as this amount of connections is extremely high.

    On the way of the companies I haven't dealt with either so can't offer an opinion there.

    I do know if you choose the Opterons with a 64 bit OS they will noticably outperform the xeons in MySQL work.

  3. #3
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    Originally posted by l.stevens
    You might want to look into upgrading your forum software as this amount of connections is extremely high.

    I do know if you choose the Opterons with a 64 bit OS they will noticably outperform the xeons in MySQL work.
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  4. #4
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    Are you sure that a single dual Xeon 2.8 server won't host your site now?

    Might want to consider deploying just one and gathering some performance stats to see what additional resources you might need. Often more RAM will help over getting more CPU power.

    Then, if you need it, you can get another server for the database part. Changing over to use a different database server should really be quite easy. Hopefully, the provider can hook the database server up on a separate 1G ethernet connection to your main server for maximum performance (and security).

    Also, you should get a 64-bit Opteron server running a 64-bit OS and SCSI drives for the database server while the other webserver can be Xeons with a 32-bit OS and SATA drives.

    Anyway, I suggest you look into starting with a smaller server and upgrade only if you really need the extra power. Since servers are leased on a month to month basis, you should be able to expand your set up as you need rather than starting out with a monster set up.

    Of course, you didn't say what your site is currently running on so you probably want to get something a bit better than what you are on now.

    Personally, I'm a believer in spreading the load among multiple servers rather than getting a humongous single server.
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  5. #5
    I have a site with 22,000 members and around 700,000 posts and lots of activity and host it on a single dual 3.0gig xeon and i hardly use 30% of the total of both cpu's at peak times.

    So unless you hoping for ALL your users being logged on a the same time, then i doubt you will need two servers.
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    Originally posted by NickFritz
    I have a site with 22,000 members and around 700,000 posts and lots of activity and host it on a single dual 3.0gig xeon and i hardly use 30% of the total of both cpu's at peak times.

    So unless you hoping for ALL your users being logged on a the same time, then i doubt you will need two servers.
    Of course I'm hoping for that but that would be a nightmare

    On your forum, how many members are logged in at the same time?

  7. #7
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    An Opteron will simply handle this easily.. but make sure you get a 64-bit Operating System.

    I suggest moving from MySQL to PostgreSQL.

    as for your question:
    Can someone please explain load balancing? How exactly does it benefit my situation? If the MySQL server is at 100%, is there anyway to utilize the other web server which isn't at 100% usage?
    1. Load Balancing is distributing the load over several servers. There are many ways to achieve this.
    2. I believe you can answer this now.
    3. Yes, there is a way. But will the SQL server be at 100%?
    Last edited by almahdi; 10-17-2005 at 11:58 AM.

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