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10-06-2005, 01:58 AM #1Newbie
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Any unmetered multihomed servers?
Looks like I will have to move some of my sites if the Cogent/Level3 issue is not fixed soon. My current DC is running Cogent only on my unmetered servers.
So my question... Is there any cheap unmetered servers which are not Cogent only? Or what dedicated server host would be cheapest, bandwidth wise?
I'm only looking for alot of bandwidth, support/service is not that important.
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10-06-2005, 08:48 AM #2Junior Guru Wannabe
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Non-Cogent Unmetered
Well, I hate to admit it, but for some of my servers, I am in the same boat as you . For many of my lower-priority customers/applications, I'm using some unmetered Cogent-only boxes just to save some money.
Based on this recent incident, however, I've decided that it's just not worth it to worry about a single provider going down.
Years ago, I switched most of my important high-bandwidth customers/servers to InfoRelay, a multi-homed provider which can get pretty close to Cogent prices. They can't quite hit Cogent prices, but they can get close. I've had just about 0 downtime with them -- none that has been detected by Alerta anyway, and I've always had great service and support. You can visit them at http://www.inforelay.com/ and http://www.100mbpsservers.com/
FYI, I know for a fact that one of their providers went down a few weeks ago for about 1/2 hour. Again, I saw no outage, and neither did Alertra. I e-mailed them the next day about it and they confirmed that their other providers picked up the slack.
I was doing a search trying to see what they're doing now in terms of pricing/specials, and well, you may be in luck... Here is what I have found:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...readid=449754&
This is actually the best pricing I've seen them offer, so I'm not sure if it's the same type of bandwidth that I'm currently using, if it's just a limited special or what the deal is.
I have actually aleady e-mailed them about this, so I have first dibs :-) ... but actually I prefer their main data center in the Washington, DC. area because they have more staff there (I need to ask them if I can get that new pricing in their DC data center!!!). I have several servers there and I've been extremely happy. If you don't need as much support though, their LA location is probably fine for you -- as far as I'm concerned they really know what they're doing, and in my experiences, they've been far more professional than most of the unmetered "cheapie" Cogent providers I've dealt with. They've been treating me well for years, and they've offered me some of the best pricing I've been able to find on truly multi-homed bandwidth.
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me by PM.
Regards,
Jason
Edit: Got one of InfoRelay's URLs wrong.Last edited by High Mbps Guy; 10-06-2005 at 08:59 AM.
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10-06-2005, 03:22 PM #3Dennis Johnson
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Originally posted by johanl
. . . Is there any cheap unmetered servers which are not Cogent only? Or what dedicated server host would be cheapest, bandwidth wise? . . .
Let's see if we can stick to answering him.There is no best host. There is only the host that's best for you.
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10-06-2005, 03:26 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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Is there any cheap unmetered servers which are not Cogent only? Or what dedicated server host would be cheapest, bandwidth wise?
Some unmetered servers will be multi-homed, probably not the cheapest.
The cheapest unmetered dedicated server host will use Cogent, no doubt about that.
You will find most of the cheapest Unmetered Servers offers in the Offers forum.
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10-06-2005, 07:00 PM #5Web Hosting Master
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Re: Any unmetered multihomed servers?
Originally posted by johanl
Looks like I will have to move some of my sites if the Cogent/Level3 issue is not fixed soon. My current DC is running Cogent only on my unmetered servers.
So my question... Is there any cheap unmetered servers which are not Cogent only? Or what dedicated server host would be cheapest, bandwidth wise?
I'm only looking for alot of bandwidth, support/service is not that important.
Cheap is a relative term , do you have a budget in mind for this solution?Ceridius Networks Sales
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10-06-2005, 07:12 PM #6Eternal Member
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I know HiVelocity runs a good shop and uses both Cogent & Level 3 which protects them from the peering issues.
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10-06-2005, 07:32 PM #7Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally posted by elix
I know HiVelocity runs a good shop and uses both Cogent & Level 3 which protects them from the peering issues.
Best of luck to you, I feel your pain!
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10-06-2005, 08:00 PM #8Eternal Member
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Originally posted by tomld
I was told HiVelocity's advertised prices are for Cogent only and multihomed is quite a bit more?
http://lg.level3.net
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10-06-2005, 08:06 PM #9Junior Guru Wannabe
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Elix, if you don't mind, can you contact HiV support and confirm? I was told still cogent only, multihomed is more even in this situation.
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10-06-2005, 09:08 PM #10Eternal Member
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Originally posted by tomld
Elix, if you don't mind, can you contact HiV support and confirm? I was told still cogent only, multihomed is more even in this situation.MediaLayer, LLC - www.medialayer.com Learn how we can make your website load faster, translating to better conversion rates for your business!
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10-06-2005, 09:43 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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Yes, HiVelocity uses both Level3 and Cogent. Also, IIRC they just did some routing modifications so that everybody can access all parts of their network no matter what route are you coming in from. (And vice versa). Obviously some issues may arise, though they would be isolated. Nothing is flawless, but they have done a good job coping with all of this.
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10-06-2005, 09:54 PM #12Newbie
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When I emailed sales yesterday I was told that unmetered servers used Cogent only, and you had to go for a metered plan to get the Level3 mix. But it could be that sales weren't updated on this situation.
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10-06-2005, 10:04 PM #13Eternal Member
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Originally posted by johanl
When I emailed sales yesterday I was told that unmetered servers used Cogent only, and you had to go for a metered plan to get the Level3 mix. But it could be that sales weren't updated on this situation.MediaLayer, LLC - www.medialayer.com Learn how we can make your website load faster, translating to better conversion rates for your business!
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10-06-2005, 10:27 PM #14Junior Guru Wannabe
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I just talked with HiV tech support again and they confirmed with me their unmetered servers only use Cogent, not even Level3 for a backup. They said to use both you have to pay extra, significantly extra. Their metered servers are multihomed, but not their unmetered, as I was told.
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10-06-2005, 10:58 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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Cogent was their main provider for unmetered servers, but because of the Cogent/Level3 issues, they are routing some unmetered traffic over level3, to prevent any issues with users being unable to connect to the network.
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10-06-2005, 11:10 PM #16Junior Guru Wannabe
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who told you this? Their company must not be on the same page. I was told by sales and tech support that the Cogent problem would straight up affect unmetered users. Never did they mention it would not affect them nor are they routing traffic to level3.
Isn't it a two way street? I mean can't users from cogent not access level3 and level3 users not acces cogent? If so wouldn't you need a third provider to be compatible both ways?
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10-06-2005, 11:12 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by tomld
who told you this? Their company must not be on the same page. I was told by sales and tech support that the Cogent problem would straight up affect unmetered users. Never did they mention it would not affect them nor are they routing traffic to level3.
Isn't it a two way street? I mean can't users from cogent not access level3 and level3 users not acces cogent? If so wouldn't you need a third provider to be compatible both ways?
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10-06-2005, 11:16 PM #18Junior Guru Wannabe
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Gotcha. Hopefully a HiV rep can come on this thread and give official word on how the depeering is affecting their unmetered servers and what they are doing to address it.
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10-06-2005, 11:28 PM #19Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by tomld
Gotcha. Hopefully a HiV rep can come on this thread and give official word on how the depeering is affecting their unmetered servers and what they are doing to address it.
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10-06-2005, 11:29 PM #20Junior Guru Wannabe
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I was reading the WHT HiV specials and it says...
BGP Routed Network (Level (3), Cogent) AS29802
Can you explain what this means?
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10-06-2005, 11:31 PM #21Managed Service Provider
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Originally posted by tomld
I was reading the WHT HiV specials and it says...
BGP Routed Network (Level (3), Cogent) AS29802
Can you explain what this means?
My understanding was that HIV accepts inbound transit on Level(3) or Cogent but all outbound transit is forced via cogent.
That does not isolate anyone from the cogent/l3 issue what so ever.
There have been very mixed messages, and sometimes very misleading messages from HIV's reps here as well has their resellers about what the DO or DO NOT do in regards to routing, transit etc. That is obvious in this thread with all the misinformation flying around. Even I might be entirely wrong.
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10-06-2005, 11:36 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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It is effecting us , not as much as some , but has been a major pain the in rear. HiVelocity has never claimed to offer our unmetered servers full BGP with Level 3 (although we have been sending alot of traffic via level3 due to this issue in efforts to reduce the impact). During this time we have been doing everything in our power to deliver all clients traffic. Now that it looks like verio is delivering traffic to level3 we have been , and will continue to send traffic via cogent for unmetered clients.
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10-06-2005, 11:36 PM #23Junior Guru Wannabe
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I'm a novice when it comes to web servers. My main concern is if I order a HiV unmetered server today are 15% (or whatever the number is) of users experiencing trouble going to have trouble accessing my server?
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10-06-2005, 11:39 PM #24Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by WireSix
My understanding was that HIV accepts inbound transit on Level(3) or Cogent but all outbound transit is forced via cogent.
That does not isolate anyone from the cogent/l3 issue what so ever.
There have been very mixed messages, and sometimes very misleading messages from HIV's reps here as well has their resellers about what the DO or DO NOT do in regards to routing, transit etc. That is obvious in this thread with all the misinformation flying around. Even I might be entirely wrong.Ceridius Networks Sales
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10-06-2005, 11:40 PM #25Managed Service Provider
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Originally posted by tomld
I'm a novice when it comes to web servers. My main concern is if I order a HiV unmetered server today are 15% (or whatever the number is) of users experiencing trouble going to have trouble accessing my server?
Until the peering issue is fully resolved, there is a very good posibility that single-homed cogent or single-homed level-3 hosted content will have a problem being accessed.
Thats not a problem isolated to HIV, but anyone that is single-homed to those carriers.
IE ServerMatrix-Unmetered, EV1-Unmetered, etc, etc