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08-31-2005, 03:00 PM #1Retired Moderator
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Is posting in old threads really such a bad thing?
Please read before voting!
This afternoon, I started a private discussion amongst the mods and leaders about this subject after seeing a thread get moderated for having been revived after a year. After a little discussion, I've been tasked with taking this inquiry of mine to the general public to get feedback from our valued members
I am of the opinion that not only is it ok to make posts in old threads, this type of behavior should be encouraged within WHT.
Here are a few relevant points that came up in private discussion, and my responses to them:
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The common reasoning seems to be that it is unfair to those that are subscribed to get notification of a new post, when, since the thread is long dead, their interest is as well.
Here's another piece to this equation:
Does reviving the old thread make more sense than starting a new?
Are the details posted two years ago relevant to the details of today?
One more thing. When members see that topics in which they've expressed interest are continuing to be the focus of discussions on WHT, you're promoting quality discussion. Yesterday, I saw an old friend and exceptionally valuable, productive member of days-gone-by come back because an old thread of interest was revived. He would never have known that discussions relevant to an area of interest to him were taking place if it were not for the proper use of an original thread to continue a discussion.
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There is no hard-and-fast rule about this amongst the moderators, and we're not looking to create some sort of moderating mandate. This is purely for a little direction from the community to make moderating decisions a little clearer. Ultimately, we're tasked with using our judgment in any given situation. If you're not in agreement with my points and you vote in this manner, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could briefly elaborate on your voting decision.
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08-31-2005, 03:03 PM #2Retired Moderator
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One other quick note. I purposely left out any definition of what makes a thread "old," because my contention is that if it makes sense to revive a thread from two weeks ago, it should be ok to revive it, and if it makes sense to revive a discussion from four years ago, it should be revived. I'm saying relevancy supercedes any age limit on a discussion.
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08-31-2005, 03:28 PM #3Retired Moderator
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Most of what bothers me about those threads is the relavance of them. I mind a little of a three year old thread is dug up for a single reply if the thread is several pages long. I'm slightly amused when people respond to the OP who probably hasn't visited WHT for years . But the ones I report are what I'd consider off-topic.
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See what I mean, not on topic. After I report these the mods either split the post into a new thread or toss the last post and lock the thread.
If I'm going to bring back a thread older than say a month, even if I'm still on-topic, I make a new thread and link to the old. Then I summarize the old thread. If somebody is bored (like I must be right now ), they'll click the link and read the old thread.If you have to operate your company behind the scenes or under a fake name, maybe it's time to leave the industry and start something fresh.
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08-31-2005, 03:43 PM #4Retired Moderator
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Originally posted by CTG
Most of what bothers me about those threads is the relavance of them. I mind a little of a three year old thread is dug up for a single reply if the thread is several pages long. I'm slightly amused when people respond to the OP who probably hasn't visited WHT for years . But the ones I report are what I'd consider off-topic.
Poster #1 (1/1/2003): Is superdandyhost.com good?
Poster #2 (1/2/2003): I heard they're OK, reasonably priced
Poster #3 (1/2/2003): Or try hostrocks.com
(Several more posts like this over a couple days)
Poster #25 (today): OMG hostrocks.com totally sucks, they wouldn't give me a refund don't host with them!!!!111oneoneone
See what I mean, not on topic. After I report these the mods either split the post into a new thread or toss the last post and lock the thread.
If I'm going to bring back a thread older than say a month, even if I'm still on-topic, I make a new thread and link to the old. Then I summarize the old thread. If somebody is bored (like I must be right now ), they'll click the link and read the old thread.Studio1337___̴ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡̡.__Web Design
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08-31-2005, 03:58 PM #5Retired Moderator
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If I'm going to bring back a thread older than say a month, even if I'm still on-topic, I make a new thread and link to the old. Then I summarize the old thread. If somebody is bored (like I must be right now , they'll click the link and read the old thread.
Is the pursuit of one thread/topic not a good one? It's impractical to believe it can be easily achieved, but is it not worthy of pursuit regardless?
This first started to make sense to me after watching the Steam Forums Posting and You movie. It's funny as all hell, but it also contains some pretty good advice, especially the part about it always being a better idea to post in an existing thread than to open a new one.Studio1337___̴ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡̡.__Web Design
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08-31-2005, 04:09 PM #6
I couldn't vote in the poll because my vote is "It depends."
Like CTG, I don't think it's a good idea to revive old threads about hosts or other service providers. Perhaps there were complaints a few months or years ago that may or may not have been valid. It isn't fair to saddle the host with complaints that can be found in the archives, but which aren't relevant to the host's service now. A lot could have changed, including but not only the ownership. And some readers won't notice that the posts are old.
Similarly, a positive thread about a host has its place in the archives, but if people want to read about that host now, they want to read current posts.
Most of the old threads that I see revived are in one of these categories:
- Someone wants to complain about a host, digs up an old thread (positive or negative), and tacks on a complaint.
- Someone is posting fluff posts to build up a post count to be able to post in the ad forums.
If a thread is revived that doesn't fit in the above categories, if the details in the old thread are still relevant, if the thread isn't so long that it's hard to read, and if meaningful discussion is added, then I think we should let the thread stay revived.
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08-31-2005, 04:34 PM #7Retired Moderator
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I'm of two schools of thought when it comes to the issue of old host reviews.
A part of me says it makes sense to lock a review thread once discussion has been exhausted, and that this thread represents a glimpse into the performance of a host during a fixed period of time, searchable, quotable, but not revivable.
Another part of me says if a complaint is not valid and is shown not to be so, it ought to be locked anyway, and if a complain is valid, there's nothing wrong with keeping the historical documentation of the host's growth intact from a customer perspective.
But I tend to lean toward my first side more. If a thread/topic is exhausted, it should be identified as such and should be sealed, and the sort of thread that would qualify for this treatment would be one of these.
Any thread which has been sealed cannot be revived, so I'd exclude those from this vote as well, but with the understanding that sealing them would be common practice, prompted by WHT members (or other mods) and at the discretion of the responding moderator.
Someone wants to complain about a host, digs up an old thread (positive or negative), and tacks on a complaint.
Someone is posting fluff posts to build up a post count to be able to post in the ad forums.Last edited by the_pm; 08-31-2005 at 04:38 PM.
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08-31-2005, 09:13 PM #8Web Hosting Master
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In my opinion (and as you guys have already explained), there is a fine line between pulling up old threads with one liners or agreements or disagreements to what has already been posted in the thread and contributing a new idea or relevant opinion to the thread.
I say it is up to the moderators to distinguish what is a one-liner and what isn't.
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08-31-2005, 10:11 PM #9Web Hosting Master
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I find it pretty annoying to happen upon very old threads that have been revived for a senseless post. I think a large part of the problem is that many people do not realize how old a thread is. It's pretty easy to start reading a thread and post a quick reply without ever having realized when the thread was started.
Perhaps WHT could be modded so that the post date could be more obvious if the post date is more than X months old. A gradient or mix of tatics could be used, anything from making the date bold on 3+ month old posts, to bigger / bold / red on posts that are greater than 12+ months old.Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC // Co-Founder & CTO
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08-31-2005, 10:48 PM #10Retired Moderator
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Oy.
Ok, for the last time, please read the poll question - Is it ok to revive old threads with discussion related to the original topic?
Yes, senseless posts = bad. They should be killed when they appear in old threads. They should be killed when they appear in newer threads.
But legitimate continuation of an old discussion - start new thread, or allow this to take place in the original discussion thread?
I'm totally fine with people responding that this is not ok, I just want to be very clear as to what is being asked here, so that the answers aren't reflecting a separate issue.Last edited by the_pm; 08-31-2005 at 10:52 PM.
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08-31-2005, 11:45 PM #11Web Hosting Master
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To be honest, regardless of the post content (even if it's 100% on topic), it really bugs the heck out of me when people bring back old threads.
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08-31-2005, 11:50 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by westcan
To be honest, regardless of the post content (even if it's 100% on topic), it really bugs the heck out of me when people bring back old threads.Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC // Co-Founder & CTO
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08-31-2005, 11:57 PM #13Retired Moderator
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Ok, that's cool. Thanks for putting it in the right context
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09-01-2005, 06:26 AM #14Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by the_pm
Oy.
Ok, for the last time, please read the poll question - Is it ok to revive old threads with discussion related to the original topic?
Yes, senseless posts = bad. They should be killed when they appear in old threads. They should be killed when they appear in newer threads.
But legitimate continuation of an old discussion - start new thread, or allow this to take place in the original discussion thread?
I'm totally fine with people responding that this is not ok, I just want to be very clear as to what is being asked here, so that the answers aren't reflecting a separate issue.
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09-05-2005, 03:56 AM #15Disabled
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If a review, or request for opinions of a host is posted in december, and some new member comes around in july to post their review of the host in every thread he can find about that host; that's bad.
why can't a new thread just be posted? I'm totally in favor of a 2 month auto-lock on threads.
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09-05-2005, 07:54 PM #16An Awesome Dude
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I always try to keep my threads all in one place....So if i have something to add to a post i started 2 yrs ago,I USUALLY ADD TO IT instead of starting a new one (Its stupid.....'Reposts' are frowned upon after all)
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09-06-2005, 12:57 PM #17Web Hosting Master
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Your forgetting that alot of the time, Its a mistake.
I have done it myself, I will have searched for something and be looking at various threads, and if I get interested in a big thread, I forget I have searched and end up posting in it, therefore bringing back an old thread!BTi-Hosting.co.uk High quality hosting, low low prices.
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09-06-2005, 07:08 PM #18Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by westcan
To be honest, regardless of the post content (even if it's 100% on topic), it really bugs the heck out of me when people bring back old threads.
You can't have it both ways. Make up your mind.
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09-06-2005, 08:02 PM #19Originally posted by Shaliza
I find this funny, because some of you are the same people who keep telling others to do a search & post in the original thread if that person makes a topic about something that already exists.
You can't have it both ways. Make up your mind.
Other times, the suggestion to do a search is just to look for answers to questions.
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09-06-2005, 08:34 PM #20Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by writespeak
. . . Other times, the suggestion to do a search is just to look for answers to questions.
You can't reasonably expect folks just to search, and not interact with the threads they're searching through. It's basic human nature for them to interact, and post into some of those threads that they search through. Time and time again folks are told to use the search button, and then the same folks complain when old threads are dug up, as a result of someone searching and posting into an old thread.
I don't like reading through old threads. I'm now getting into the habit of checking the date, on the thread, to make sure it's current. Nothing worse than reading a thread for 5 minutes, only to discover it's 3 years old.• WLVPN.com • NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider •
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09-06-2005, 08:52 PM #21Originally posted by Aussie Bob
Can you show me some say 12 specific instances where folks have been told to search, also told not to post in those searched threads?
You can't reasonably expect folks just to search, and not interact with the threads they're searching through.
. Nothing worse than reading a thread for 5 minutes, only to discover it's 3 years old.
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09-06-2005, 09:05 PM #22Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by writespeak
Maybe. OTOH, if the poster is just looking for answers to questions, perhaps no interaction is anticipated. I often use this forum to search for information without even thinking about posting in the threads I find.
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09-10-2005, 04:39 PM #23Junior Guru Wannabe
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Personally I don't mind a a thread is "old" - there's alot of pertinent discussion in many "old" threads. And in reading through them, I am inspired with my own questions & comments - sometimes VERY helpful subjects are brought out, and I believe I am entitled to post these subjects even if the thread is "old". If someone doesn't want to subscribe to and "old" thread - then don't.
As always,
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09-12-2005, 11:27 AM #24New Member
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^^^ agreed..
If a new member comes along with a relevant comment or some
additional information on an old subject why shouldnt they
respond to the thread? The threads may be old to veteran
posters however they are all new to newcomers here.
Frankly I tend not to look at the "date" of a thread. If you're
browsing or searching for certain criteria you're bound to get all
sorts of thread ages.
Shouldnt be an issue if its all relevant to the subject as it
generates discussion which is the point of all this no?
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09-12-2005, 11:34 AM #25Dennis Johnson
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Originally posted by writespeak
...Nothing worse than reading a thread for 5 minutes, only to discover it's 3 years old.
I know what you mean, and IMO this is why a lot of people don't like it when old threads resurface for any reason.
Lois
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