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    Is this Legal? ...Streaming TV Series

    Hi,
    I jus came across a site www.craftytv.com. They are streaming real TV episodes and charges ppl to watch them. It was free for a few months and now they started charging customers. But streaming Tv series is illegal as i look at the copyright statements.

    Legal Notice

    If you wish to be a viewer of this website you must meet the following requirements before you watch:
    1) You own the program(s) on DVD/Other legally obtained form of media.
    2) You receive a cable/satellite/antenna feed with the program(s)

    The secondary transmission of a performance or display of a work embodied in a primary transmission is NOT an infringement of copyright if the secondary transmission is not made by a cable system but is made by a governmental body, or other nonprofit organization, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without charge to the recipients of the secondary transmission other than assessments necessary to defray the actual and reasonable costs of maintaining and operating the secondary transmission service..
    As they are not really following the copyright statements, dun u think its illegal as they r streaming recorded content..

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    I'm not sure if its legal or not.. But I always thought there should be something like this!

    Most TV series now have content that to understand it, you must see the week's prior show... If you missed it for whatever reason, your left in the dark alot!
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    there is always video.google.com sint there?
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    I doubt it is legal...unless you own the original show, at which point it wouldn't make sense to be streaming it.

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    It is not legal unless you own the show in the creator sense of the word.

    If you own the DVD or can receive the show, it IS legal to make a backup or timeshift copy of that. It IS NOT legal to have someone make a copy of their copy and supply it to you as a backup or timeshift. It's only your backup if it's your original.

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    If I produced a television show, and somebody rebroadcast it without my express written consent against my explicit copyright warning not to do that, I'd haul their *** into court and let the judge explain to them that their loophole is vaporous. Rebroadcasting without permission, is rebroadcasting without permission, streaming a copy over the Internet is, you guessed it, rebroadcasting. No ifs or buts or two ways about it.

    It's the same stupid excuse the warez kiddies use: "Promise us you already own this software and you can legally download our cracked version if you call it a backup." Yet the FBI still shuts them down, prosecutes them, fines and/or imprisons them, without seeing any distinction between what they've done and standing on a street corner hawking bootlegged CDROMs or DVDs.
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    The secondary transmission of a performance or display of a work embodied in a primary transmission is NOT an infringement of copyright if the secondary transmission is not made by a cable system but is made by a governmental body, or other nonprofit organization, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without charge to the recipients of the secondary transmission other than assessments necessary to defray the actual and reasonable costs of maintaining and operating the secondary transmission service..
    This must be one of the funniest things I've ever read.

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    The secondary transmission of a performance or display of a work embodied in a primary transmission is NOT an infringement of copyright if the secondary transmission is not made by a cable system but is made by a governmental body, or other nonprofit organization, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without charge to the recipients of the secondary transmission other than assessments necessary to defray the actual and reasonable costs of maintaining and operating the secondary transmission service..
    That has got to be the biggest pile of well ... you know what ... I've read in quite some some.
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    well the statement issint funny guys...
    It goes According the copyright law Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 111(a)(5).

    I made a search in google and found this thread in google answers.
    check out here

    http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=548461

    U can actually stream the videos same time as the primary transmission{which is in u r TV}. but broadcasting recorded videos are illegal..

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    That covers simultaneous rebroadcast, a.k.a. signal boosting. If you really are a legit nonprofit, you can do this. Where I live, the County government runs a repeater for network broadcasts.

    That has absolutely nothing to do with streaming DVDs from a website. That code simply states that repeating a broadcast signal does not constitute 'rebroadcast' of the programming on that signal. Boosting a network's carrier signal isn't going to anger the network. Selling bootlegs of their shows, will.

    Streaming DVDs from a website is redistribution, it isn't boosting anyone's broadcast signal (even if it is simultaneous), therefore it is indeed a primary transmission, which is forbidden. Charging money for this service to 'cover transmission costs' is absolutely against the law, pure piracy.
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    Originally posted by C-4 Hosting
    Most TV series now have content that to understand it, you must see the week's prior show... If you missed it for whatever reason, your left in the dark alot!
    That's a spurious argument. In addition to in-season and syndicated reruns, most shows these days are also available on DVD. If you can't be present for your show's timeslot, you may record the show for your personal use. You may not sell those recordings to other people who 'missed the show'.

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    Originally posted by BigBison
    That's a spurious argument. In addition to in-season and syndicated reruns, most shows these days are also available on DVD. If you can't be present for your show's timeslot, you may record the show for your personal use. You may not sell those recordings to other people who 'missed the show'.
    I'm not interested in "breaking the law" or in doing something that is pirated...

    But let me give you a senerio.. I love watching The West Wing. The power goes out in the house and I'm unable to record it or watch it while its being broadcast. I know of no way of watching it before the next episode comes on a week later. Sure I can wait until the season comes out on DVD, but that show in particular is a running series where you'll have a hard time the following weeks by missing just that one episode.

    It would be nice if they have a TV station that replayed episodes of the following week for all major TV shows.. Either that or have a web site where you can pay royalty fees to and download episodes you missed before the next weeks show comes out.
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    This site is illegal as far as I know, I think it is similar to mp3's online.

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    Legal or illegal ... Maybe depend also where the server is (the country laws) and where the person who get the streaming live also.

    Let say, the server is in the Kingdom of Cambodia, I live in the Kingdom of Thailand, and the streaming is an Italian serie with the voices in hebrew. That is not imagination, I know the case in real. What is illegal? Intellectual property ? Well, that does not exist in Cambodia, and for the Thai laws it's absolutely respected , because the original was with italian language, as the streaming is in german, so the intellectual property laws do not apply anymore.

    The legality on internet depend mostly where are located both servers and users ... a server can provide legal materials (girls naked older than 18 y old) in one country (france for exemple) but the same material will be illegal in some US states (they must have more than 21 y old)....


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    Well, as individual I went to the website :

    1) it's still free of charge.

    2) I watched "Band of Brothers"

    3) It was the US backing track, well I live in Thailand, and Band of brothers was release with thai sound. So I do not break the laws of the country I live. Nothing illegal in all the process ....

    To summarise, and without any offense, the laws you are talken are US laws (mostly). I should remenber you it's actually the laws where you phycally live that only apply. So, yes if this site is located in USA, I do suppose the F.B.I will come sooner or later. If you watch the site and live in USA or are a US citisen in a foreign country you are doing somehting illegal. If not this website simply offert a great opportunity to diffuse a part of the US culture to those who are in needs of it

    I do not put my signature , I post as individual and not on behalf on the company for who I work.

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    Looks like the so called "Free files" are hosted from a french server

    http://213.246.55.62/filearea2/...

    Found a link to one of the files, its only pulling 7.5k and the files are .nsv (protected I guess).

    Surprised no one has reported the site, and that its still up and running.
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    yeh u can actually download the movie files as .nsv but i think its a bug in their website..
    Who is hosting this website.. issit layerdtech?

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    hehe i love craftytv and why would anyone want to shut it down? it provides free entertainment to internet users. the real criminals are the FOX and other companies, they charge u for the DVD, they charge TV companies to show u the show on TV etc etc so you're always ending up paying many times over to watch the same copyright!
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    Since the networks aren't breaking any laws, and the law fully supports their rights on this issue (ok, at least in the US), calling them criminals is, in fact, libelous.

    Nobody has any inherent right to view their content. Since everybody has the option to not pay them for their programming, nobody is being forced to pay what they charge, therefore it is neither theft nor fraud. In a free-market economy, all corporations are free to charge what the market will bear.

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    yeah yeah thats the law, but people just use the law to justify what ever they want. especially the big companies. surely u must see that these big companies are pretty dodgy, i.e. worldcom, enron, and other we don't even know about!
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    I refuse to paint every big company with the Enron/WorldCom brush. Those are the exceptions. Most companies in this country are run by hardworking, honest folks that you never hear about. We single out the exceptions as newsworthy, not the status quo.

    I don't understand what you mean by 'people just use the law to justify whatever they want'. A criminal who does whatever he wants, like driving off without paying for a tank of gas, uses some other means of justifying their behavior. "It's just making a bunch of Saudis rich."

    When the matter of ripping websites comes up, I constantly point out that those who create their own work don't have to defend a point, or use the law or any other argument to justify any of their behavior. Those who are knowingly outside the law, are the only ones explaining why what they are doing isn't really wrong, using any method of argument be it legal, philosophical or ranting tirade.

    If these TV-show streaming guys are on the level, they wouldn't need to explain how they aren't breaking the law with their service. How many legitimate services do you see which post a section of legal code, and point to it with an explanation in defense of their service?

    Seriously, what is up with that? That would be like a porn site with a disclaimer explaining that their models really don't need to be over the age of 18. No legitimate business you can link to here does that sort of thing. Some sites may state that they comply with a certain legal code, but legitimate sites don't need to list which laws they aren't breaking.

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    Definately not legal, someone will be coming after them.

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    that is legal i think because look at roms
    theyve been on for quite a while a now...

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