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08-03-2005, 02:38 PM #26Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by extort
i would say checkout superb.net. ive never hosted there but they look pretty solid, complete US network of there own along with links to euro. they also offer for a slight higher price improved routes and give you a 100% uptime garuntee. they have a DC located in vienna, VA.
http://www.hopone.net/about.php - I would not call that a "complete us network of their own along with links to euro" especially in the topic of this discussion.
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08-03-2005, 02:41 PM #27Registered User
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Level 3 triples loss in Q2
Thursday July 21, 5:01 pm ET
Citing declining revenue and a one-time gain from last year, Level 3 Communications Inc. announced on Thursday that it nearly tripled its second-quarter loss.
Level 3 (NASDAQ: LVLT - News) reported a loss of $188 million, or 27 cents a share, on revenue of $910 million.
In January, the company announced it would lay off up to 600 workers -- or 12 percent of its work force -- to save between $60 million and $70 million in annual labor costs.
Level 3 shares declined 14 cents to close at $2.07 Thursday.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/050721/1137624.html?.v=2
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08-03-2005, 02:43 PM #28Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by music
Level 3 triples loss in Q2
Thursday July 21, 5:01 pm ET
Citing declining revenue and a one-time gain from last year, Level 3 Communications Inc. announced on Thursday that it nearly tripled its second-quarter loss.
Level 3 (NASDAQ: LVLT - News) reported a loss of $188 million, or 27 cents a share, on revenue of $910 million.
In January, the company announced it would lay off up to 600 workers -- or 12 percent of its work force -- to save between $60 million and $70 million in annual labor costs.
Level 3 shares declined 14 cents to close at $2.07 Thursday.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/050721/1137624.html?.v=2
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08-03-2005, 02:47 PM #29THE Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by SolidJoe
Not a list, just the names I like to call them by...Williams/WilTel, same thing. BBN was puchased by Genuity, then bought by Level(3), but I wasn't sure if they had integrated their networks together or if they were still seperate. I also thought CW still had operations in Latin America and Europe.Karl Zimmerman - Founder & CEO of Steadfast
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08-03-2005, 02:52 PM #30THE Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by music
Level 3 triples loss in Q2
Thursday July 21, 5:01 pm ET
Citing declining revenue and a one-time gain from last year, Level 3 Communications Inc. announced on Thursday that it nearly tripled its second-quarter loss.
Level 3 (NASDAQ: LVLT - News) reported a loss of $188 million, or 27 cents a share, on revenue of $910 million.
In January, the company announced it would lay off up to 600 workers -- or 12 percent of its work force -- to save between $60 million and $70 million in annual labor costs.
Level 3 shares declined 14 cents to close at $2.07 Thursday.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/050721/1137624.html?.v=2Karl Zimmerman - Founder & CEO of Steadfast
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08-03-2005, 03:03 PM #31CISSP-ISSMP, CISA
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I agree with Karl, there are many ways in which Level(3) could dramatically increase it's returns should it choose to do so. This ranges from laying off unnecessary labor, dumping unprofitable synergy sites, and even becoming slightly more liberal in it's price strategy on new contracts.
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08-03-2005, 04:11 PM #32Registered User
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Lets all hope that L3 files for Bankruptcy because then we would probably see bandwidth prices move lower. Hoping to see the day when L3 competes with Cogent……..Now that would be fun.
Some speculation that they will file by the end of the year.
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08-03-2005, 04:24 PM #33Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by music
Lets all hope that L3 files for Bankruptcy because then we would probably see bandwidth prices move lower. Hoping to see the day when L3 competes with Cogent……..Now that would be fun.
Some speculation that they will file by the end of the year.
On another note, unless you have an MBA in financial management, it is difficult to determine how a company is actually doing. Accountants perform miracles when it comes to the books.
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08-03-2005, 04:28 PM #34Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by PSFServers
I'm not really that educated on the BW market place, but if it is like any other product, BW will, one day, become a commodity market.
On another note, unless you have an MBA in financial management, it is difficult to determine how a company is actually doing. Accountants perform miracles when it comes to the books.
Look at Amazon, they lost money for year, after year, after year, after year in frightening amounts..... Now, it's like a piece of chewing gum stuck on the sole of your shoe.....it ain't going nowhere.
btw - the bandwidth market has already been comoditized.
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Originally posted by PSFServers
I'm not really that educated on the BW market place, but if it is like any other product, BW will, one day, become a commodity market.
On another note, unless you have an MBA in financial management, it is difficult to determine how a company is actually doing. Accountants perform miracles when it comes to the books.
Look at Amazon, they lost money for year, after year, after year, after year in frightening amounts..... Now, it's like a piece of chewing gum stuck on the sole of your shoe.....it ain't going nowhere.
the miracles they perform on the books is exactly why companies implode (enron)
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Originally posted by PSFServers
I'm not really that educated on the BW market place, but if it is like any other product, BW will, one day, become a commodity market.
On another note, unless you have an MBA in financial management, it is difficult to determine how a company is actually doing. Accountants perform miracles when it comes to the books.
Look at Amazon, they lost money for year, after year, after year, after year in frightening amounts..... Now, it's like a piece of chewing gum stuck on the sole of your shoe.....it ain't going nowhere.Karl Zimmerman - Founder & CEO of Steadfast
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08-03-2005, 05:11 PM #37I LOVE Cogent!
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Back to Tier 1 ISPs...does anybody else have an opinion on if SBC is a Tier 1 ISP or not? Their peering arrangements make them seem like they are, and I don't think they purchase from anyone.
I wish all my traffic went through AS174.
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08-03-2005, 05:12 PM #38Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by SolidJoe
Back to Tier 1 ISPs...does anybody else have an opinion on if SBC is a Tier 1 ISP or not? Their peering arrangements make them seem like they are, and I don't think they purchase from anyone.
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08-03-2005, 05:15 PM #39THE Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by sailor
no they are not.Karl Zimmerman - Founder & CEO of Steadfast
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08-03-2005, 05:50 PM #40Newbie
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Originally posted by SolidJoe
Doesn't SBC run their own network too? I don't think they pay for peering.
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08-03-2005, 06:55 PM #41I LOVE Cogent!
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http://dedicated.sbcis.sbc.com/NDWS/...erformance.jsp
We realize that you may not have always considered SBCIS as a Tier 1 Internet provider. But our track record speaks otherwise. We provide Internet network solutions not only to many of our millions of business and consumer customers, but to our competitors as well, the so-called Tier 1 providers.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...+peering&hl=en
Kind of interesting.I wish all my traffic went through AS174.
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08-03-2005, 07:44 PM #42Registered User
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Karl, how do you figure Amazon is doing quite well. The stock's down about 20 percent this year after a 16 percent decline in 2004.
You are really loosing credibility.
LOL
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08-03-2005, 07:53 PM #43Web Hosting Guru
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Originally posted by music
Karl, how do you figure Amazon is doing quite well. The stock's down about 20 percent this year after a 16 percent decline in 2004.
You are really loosing credibility.
LOL
Missing that huge drop in stock price too: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AMZN
Sure looks like its higher now that it has been in a year.
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08-03-2005, 09:14 PM #44Registered User
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The Stock price represents people voting with money and I respect that.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AMZN...=on&z=m&q=l&c=
Grant it the stock did very well in the month.Last edited by music; 08-03-2005 at 09:19 PM.
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08-03-2005, 09:19 PM #45Web Hosting Master
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Back to the question asked:
Above Net routes were not that great. They seemed to backhaul alot of our traffic out of Dallas to one of the coasts. To get to some places in Dallas, our data would have to travel from Dallas, to San Jose, Ca, then go back to Dallas on some one else's network. So unless you are some place where they have great peering, I wouldn't go for them, especially if they costs more.. Personal opinion of course..James Lumby
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Originally posted by music
Karl, how do you figure Amazon is doing quite well. The stock's down about 20 percent this year after a 16 percent decline in 2004.
You are really loosing credibility.
LOLKarl Zimmerman - Founder & CEO of Steadfast
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08-03-2005, 09:35 PM #47Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by lumbyjj
Back to the question asked:
Above Net routes were not that great. They seemed to backhaul alot of our traffic out of Dallas to one of the coasts. To get to some places in Dallas, our data would have to travel from Dallas, to San Jose, Ca, then go back to Dallas on some one else's network. So unless you are some place where they have great peering, I wouldn't go for them, especially if they costs more.. Personal opinion of course..██ Ray Womack @ atOmicVPS LTD
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Originally posted by PSFServers
Thank the Democrats. You know, Al Gore invented this stuff.James Lumby
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Originally posted by music
The Stock price represents people voting with money and I respect that.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AMZN...=on&z=m&q=l&c=
Grant it the stock did very well in the month.Karl Zimmerman - Founder & CEO of Steadfast
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08-04-2005, 12:48 AM #50Web Hosting Master
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Headline in the next 12 months...
"Abovenet bankrupt again, Cogent purchases assets and clients for 100Million(in stock)"