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    30 little known facts about israel

    1. Did you know that non-Jewish Israelis cannot buy or lease land in Israel? A Jew from any country in the world is guaranteed citizenship in Israel, while the Palestinians who have been there for centuries are oppressed and persecuted.

    2. Did you know that instead of sewing an insignia on clothing to distinguish race (like the Germans did to the Jews before WW2), Palestinian license plates in Israel are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews?

    3. Did you know that East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights are all considered by the entire world community, including the United States and the United Nations, to be occupied territory and NOT part of the State of Israel?

    4. Did you know that Israel allots 85% of the water resources for Jews, and the remaining 15% is divided among all Palestinians in the territories? For example in Hebron, 85% of the water is set aside for about 400 Jewish settlers, while the remaining 15% is distributed among Hebron's 120, 000 Palestinians?

    5. Did you know that the United States awards Israel $5 billion in aid each year from American tax dollars?

    6. Did you know that US aid to Israel ($1.8 billion annually in military aid alone) exceeds the aid the US grants to the entire African continent? This aid is used both to buy American weaponry and to buy arms made in Israel.

    7. Did you know that Israel is awaiting an additional $4 billion worth of American military hardware, including new F-16s and Apache and Blackhawk helicopters. As Israel's main ally and supporter internationally, the United States is committed to maintaining the Jewish state's "qualitative edge" in weapons over its neighbours.

    8. Did you know that the U.S. administration has notified Congress on numerous occasions that Israel has violated the rules on how US-supplied weapons are used? (In 1978, 1979 and 1982 during fighting in Lebanon, and once after Israel's bombing of an Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.)

    9. Did you know that Israel is the only country in the Middle East that refuses to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and bars international inspections from its sites?

    10. Did you know that high-ranking military officers in the Israeli Defence Forces have admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war have been summarily executed by the Israeli forces?

    11. Did you know that Israel blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a US warship in international waters (the USS Liberty), killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors and the US did nothing about it? (Imagine if an Islamic country like Iraq did this!)

    12. Did you know that Israel stands in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council Resolutions?

    13. Did you know that Israel is explicitly dedicated to the policy of maintaining a distinct Jewish character?

    14. Did you know that Israel's current Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found by an Israeli court to be "personally and directly responsible" for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre in Lebanon where more than a thousand innocent Palestinian men, women, and children were axed to death or lined up and shot in cold blood?

    15. Did you know that on May 20, 1990, a group of unarmed Palestinian labourers were lined up and murdered by an Israeli solider as they sat waiting for transportation back to Gaza? The terrified labourers who gathered in an area of southern Israel known as Rishon Lezion (known to Palestinians by its Arabic name Oyon Qara) handed their ID cards to the Israeli soldier. The soldiers ordered the distressed labourers to kneel down and face the ground and unexpectedly showered them with a barrage of bullets, killing seven and wounding many others. Needless to say, the soldier was not charged with any crime.

    16. Did you know that until as recently as 1988, Israelis were permitted to run "Jews Only" job ads?

    17. Did you know that the Israeli Foreign Ministry pays six US public relations firms to promote a "positive image" of Israel to the American public?

    18. Did you know that Sharon's coalition government includes a party--Molodet--which advocates ethnic cleansing by openly calling for the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from the occupied territories?

    19. Did you know that recently-declassified documents indicate that David Ben-Gurion approved of the forced expulsion of Arabs from all Palestinian territory in 1948?

    20. Did you know that the former chief rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, who is also a founder and spiritual leader of the religious Shas party (Israel's third largest political party) openly advocates a 'Final Solution' to annihilate the Palestinians? Speaking at the widely broadcast sermon marking the last Passover, he declared of the
    Palestinians: "The Lord shall return their deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world. It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable."

    21. Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the refugee population in the world?

    22. Did you know that Palestinian Christians are considered the "living stones" of Christianity because they are the direct descendants of the disciples of Jesus Christ? And the Palestinian Christians stand united with their Muslim brethren in the struggle against the Israeli occupation.

    23. Did you know that despite a ban on torture by Israel's High Court of Justice, torture has continued unabated by Shin Bet interrogators on Palestinian prisoners?

    24. Did you know that despite every Israeli attempt to disrupt Palestinian education, Palestinians have the highest ratio of PhDs per capita in the world?

    25. Did you know that the right of self-determination is guaranteed to every human being under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [December, 1948], yet Palestinians were/are expected to negotiate for this right under the Oslo Accords?

    26. Did you know that despite what is widely perpetuated and written in the history books that the Arabs attacked Israel in the 1967 war, it was Israel who attacked the Arab countries first, capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and called the attack a pre-emptive strike?

    27. Did you know that, as an occupying power, Israel has a particular responsibility under the Geneva Conventions to protect Palestinian civilians?

    28. Did you know that, despite Ariel Sharon's public call for a unilateral ceasefire, Israeli soldiers have not stopped shooting, killing or bulldozing Palestinian homes? The most recent example of this is the murder of three innocent women who were shot by an Israeli tank as they sat in their tent!

    29. Did you know that the Zionists have been trying to destroy Masjid al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock for the last 50 years by digging underground tunnels beneath the sites to weaken its foundation causing it to collapse?

    30. Nelson Mandela called the Israeli government an apartheid regime, just like South Africa used to be.
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    For #3, the only reason they have that land is because they kept being attacked even after offering peace. They've even offered to return the land under certain conditions, but Palestinians want it back unconditionally.

    Regarding the weapons, from what I know, "we give Israelis weapons to test for us, and in return they get the latest weapons." Also, they're our only ally in the entire middle-east region--why shouldn't they get better weapons?

    A lot of those facts sound like flamebait. They need a lot more information before any can be considered factual.
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    Partial facts are as devastating as whole lies.

    I do believe many of them as possible, however, as Dan X stated, "They need a lot more information before any can be considered factual."
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    did you know that the palestinians do not deserve any control over the land?

    Israelis wanted to share the land.. palestenians.. said.. NO, WE WANT IT ALL!!!!

    So they had a war.. Israel won.. so stop complaining..
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    A lot of those facts sound like flamebait. They need a lot more information before any can be considered factual.
    I do believe many of them as possible, however, as Dan X stated, "They need a lot more information before any can be considered factual."
    Name one
    "An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep"
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    Originally posted by astraeuz
    Name one
    They are your facts. You need to substantiate them. A good place to start would be all of them. Otherwise, yes, this is flamebait. No intelligent debate can ensue without substantiation.
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    Did you know that a program by National Geographic showed around 10 Palestinians who said that it's "every Palestinians goal in life to become a martyr," meaning: suicide bomber.

    Ok, so let's put it in simpler terms: According to Palestinians, the goal of every Palestinian is to become a suicide bomber.

    Did you know that Israel is like a piece of hay in a football stadium (meaning tiny compared to all the Arabic countries around)? Why don't all the Palestinians go to those countries? Because they are BANNED in them. Wonder why.
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    A few of those "facts" could be affected by extenuating circumstances and extremist actions. Many of them, without documentation could just be flat out lies.
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    I'd like to know some numbers regarding this one:
    21. Did you know that Palestinian refugees make up the largest portion of the refugee population in the world?
    It's been my understanding that the number of people displaced in a country in Africa because of civil war (forget which one) is much greater than the number of Palestinians displaced. Do you have links to any current data on the number of refugees worldwide, sorted by nationality?
    26. Did you know that despite what is widely perpetuated and written in the history books that the Arabs attacked Israel in the 1967 war, it was Israel who attacked the Arab countries first, capturing Jerusalem and the West Bank, and called the attack a pre-emptive strike?
    I've read the opposite in the United States. I don't remember reading or ever seeing a documentary that tried to claim otherwise, and I've seen a lot of 'em
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    Originally posted by DanX
    For #3, the only reason they have that land is because they kept being attacked even after offering peace. They've even offered to return the land under certain conditions, but Palestinians want it back unconditionally.
    The zionist state was the first to attach Palestinians... You don't expect them to attack back?

    Originally posted by DanX
    Regarding the weapons, from what I know, "we give Israelis weapons to test for us, and in return they get the latest weapons." Also, they're our only ally in the entire middle-east region--why shouldn't they get better weapons?
    The ONLY one///// Did you forget about Saudia Arabia

    Originally posted by DanX
    A lot of those facts sound like flamebait. They need a lot more information before any can be considered factual.
    I agree with that, where are those "facts" from?

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    Originally posted by ilyash
    did you know that the palestinians do not deserve any control over the land?

    Israelis wanted to share the land.. palestenians.. said.. NO, WE WANT IT ALL!!!!

    So they had a war.. Israel won.. so stop complaining..
    Is that fair?

    Would've been it fair when Saddam entered Kuwait to take it over just because they are stronger?

    I'm even sure that if Saddam took over some part/all of Kuwait, no one would've agreed and would want him out of ALL parts..

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    Originally posted by Lev
    Did you know that a program by National Geographic showed around 10 Palestinians who said that it's "every Palestinians goal in life to become a martyr," meaning: suicide bomber.

    Ok, so let's put it in simpler terms: According to Palestinians, the goal of every Palestinian is to become a suicide bomber.
    Did you ever wonder why?

    Originally posted by Lev
    Did you know that Israel is like a piece of hay in a football stadium (meaning tiny compared to all the Arabic countries around)? Why don't all the Palestinians go to those countries? Because they are BANNED in them. Wonder why.
    Ummm.. maybe because Palestine is where they were born.. its their "country"... why would they want to go to another country??

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    Originally posted by azizny
    Is that fair?

    Would've been it fair when Saddam entered Kuwait to take it over just because they are stronger?

    I'm even sure that if Saddam took over some part/all of Kuwait, no one would've agreed and would want him out of ALL parts..

    Peace,
    saddam was an agressor..
    according to the two religous groups in Israel.. they are both promised the land..

    why not share it?

    That is beyond me..
    too bad so many of those palestinians have the mentality of being martyrs.
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    Originally posted by CTG
    I've read the opposite in the United States. I don't remember reading or ever seeing a documentary that tried to claim otherwise, and I've seen a lot of 'em
    It was because the British were occupying the land before "giving" it to the European Jews... Even since the British were there, Palestinians have been fighting back since then..

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    Ok, so let's put it in simpler terms: According to Palestinians, the goal of every Palestinian is to become a suicide bomber.
    So, if someone throw you out of your home and also start killing your relatives and everyone who says that "this is our home". What would you do? kiss his forehead?
    "An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep"
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    Originally posted by ilyash
    saddam was an agressor..
    according to the two religous groups in Israel.. they are both promised the land..

    why not share it?

    That is beyond me..
    too bad so many of those palestinians have the mentality of being martyrs.
    At this point, I also agree to the sharing point...

    But Isreal has to do more than its doing to make the Palestinians they are not wanted...

    It will take time, and if Palestiinan and Jews are not treated 100% equal (which I do think its very hard), problems and hatred will stay..

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    According to both sides, the land was promised to them. Of course there's going to be turbulence from extremists.
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    Originally posted by astraeuz
    So, if someone throw you out of your home and also start killing your relatives and everyone who says that "this is our home". What would you do? kiss his forehead?
    No, I'd strap on a bomb and go kill as many innocent people I could . You sound just as crazy as those people in that program. That was their excuse too, "we have to do something."

    So we've now established: The goal of every Palestinian is to become a suicide bomber. Doesn't that seem just a little disturbing... to ANYONE?
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    Nothing has been established about anything anywhere in this thread. WHT can't stop war in the middle-east, but we can halt a flame war on WHT.
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