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    Exclamation Desperate help about Java

    Ok please can someone correct me if im wrong, DHTM would be Java or Java related? now the main thing, i am desperately wanting to make my own Java Navigation menus, ive searched everywhere but cant find anywhere which will give me a free version of something. I'd like to make my own java navigation. Also is Java the same thing as Java Script? Can i have a Java Script orientated navigation and say to myself yes thats a java navigation menu?

    Please Help!

    Thanks!
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    Java and javascript are NOT the same thing.

    Java, is being developed by Sun-Microsystems, and is an object-oriented programming language. It can be used to create stand-alone applications, and even be used on the net (with a massive, bandwidth, RAM and CPU hogging plugin).

    Javascript on the other hang is being developed by netscape, and resides inside HTML documents. You can't make standalone applications with javascript.

    If your looking to create a menu, your looking for a javascript menu... there are thousands out there... i'd give you a name, but its been so long since i've used them.

    have a look on Hotscripts
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    ok i understand that bit, ok i need you to direct me somewhere where i will be able to create my own java applet navigation menus or any place where they give you free java applet navigation maker software, thanks in advance

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    http://www.formfields.com/gMenuArea/index.php

    is that what your looking for?
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    thats Java Script? ^^ isnt it? i was thinking of pure Java Applets, where you will need to have Java installed on your machine for in order to view the navigation menu..., hope i explained myself there well,

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    yeah ok i understand....

    but why the hell would you want that? Java is rubbish!
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    i know exactly, it is!! just need to prove this ****le guy that it is crap, i hardly see java menu's on websites, anyways im doing a site and he wants java applet generated nav menus. So i was wondering if you guys would know where id be able to get hold of a generator or free software that does it etc etc,

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    i've never seen one of those...

    why don't you simply tell him the stats, that less than 1% of all web users have a java plugin installed. You just dont use java on the internet except the old chat applets.
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    i agree with you there, his site is going to be a property site, and its the first hurdle ive come across with java, i told him many times, and he says to me that the people who will be visiting his site will have $$$$ and wont have a cheap PC, thats why he insists that i doi Java, i just might go to him and say, look im not doing java as nobody does it, and if you want me to do java navs for you then pay me to buy the software packages and i'll do it. Otherwise its like literally impossible to get it free online, even if you do get it free ive seen that the java buttons and navs look very tacky and cheap, also i have no knowledge about java language hence i wont be able to do it, tut anyways dude thanks, youve just boosted my argument that java is like "ugh...," i'll speak to the guy tommorow,

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    let us know if you have any more questions
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    np's thx again,

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    Originally posted by xerosis219
    why don't you simply tell him the stats, that less than 1% of all web users have a java plugin installed. You just dont use java on the internet except the old chat applets.
    What are you talking about? Making up stats out of thin air to support your position is never a wise idea. Most users have Java support on their browsers. I use Java on the Internet all the time, there's nothing obsolete about JSP or Servlets, is there? Even if you meant 'client side only' when making that statement, I think you're misinformed.

    In fact, for cross-platform compatibility for something like a 'textarea replacement' editor, nothing tops the Java implementations. They run on any browser, on any platform, provided Java is installed, which it usually is.

    All client-side Java is executed on the client machine, if the machine supports Java. There is no such thing as a 'Java plugin'.

    That being said, a Java menu generator is trés 1997. Those were obsolete before the year 2000. I don't know where you'll find one, but you ought to be able to convince your client against its use without a demo.

    DHTML is a JavaScript-driven menu. If your client is insisting on DHTML, rather than Java, then he's talking about JavaScript. This sounds much more likely, but I can't really tell from the thread.

    Here's a client-side Java applet:

    http://www.editize.com/

    Seems the folks at SitePoint don't think Java's obsolete, either.
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    my experience with java has been:

    http://www.java.com/en/download/windows_automatic.jsp

    that piece of software slowed down my machine incredibly when it ran. My stats were based on the amount of people who actually have this bit of software on thier machine.

    I still stand by a Javascript or DHTML menu.
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    The decision as to requiring site visitors to have Java, has nothing to do with how affluent those site visitors are. Java is freely available, its likelihood of being installed has nothing to do with how much the computer cost. Is the visitor savvy enough, or willing enough, to download and install any technology just to view the site? It will seem silly to them, when 99.9% of other sites don't require them to 'download something and come back later' before entering.

    Do you really want 15% (or so) of visitors' first impression of your site to be a 'go away' sign? If they do get Java, will they be so thankful that they'll return to your site just to see what your menu options are? When that's some silly gimmick effect that they've seen 1,000 times before on DHTML and Flash menus, what kind of impression will the Java menus give? "Wow... Impressive!" or, "Geez, what idiots!"

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    I don't exactally understand what you're getting at BigBison.. maybe read through my posts again.

    You seem to be on the same side as I am...
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    I was answering the OP, not picking on you, xerosis. I still entirely disagree with your claim that only 1% of desktops have Java. While I agree with your position, I disagree with your reasoning behind it.

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