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Dear President Bush


Quote:
Dateline: Monday, July 25, 2005

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would
propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex
marriage. As you said, "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a
man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I
can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for
example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... end of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements
of God's Laws and how to follow them.


a.. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

a.. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for
her?

a.. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev 15: 19-24. The problem is
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

a.. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates
a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

a.. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

a.. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there "degrees"
of abomination?

a.. Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room
here?

a.. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev
19:27. How should they die?

a.. I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

a.. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them (Lev 24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to
death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep
with their in-laws? (Lev 20:14) I know, President Bush, you have
studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise
in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging.
I found this on another site, interesting to say the least.



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Yes that is very well written. I am tempted to save a copy so that I can produce it next time those bible bashers come knocking on my door. To make it really effective I should purchase a bible and highlight the relevent passages.

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Not the first time I've seen this. It's funny, but nothing more than that.

Edit: As for that dateline, that's not true at all. I saw this... last year probably.


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It's slightly old. I once had it posted on my <<< removed >>> site.

I think it was once posted on WHT.


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yeah, it was: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=295560


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Yeah, it's actually pretty old.... but still a GREAT read!

Thanks RossH!

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Yaaaaaawwwnnn.

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Wow, if Christians would read that it would surely shipwreck their faith as it has mine. That person knows the Bible better than anyone else I've ever met or read in my life.

...Kill and eat... Acts 11:7

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Re: Dear President Bush

Quote:
Originally posted by RossH
a.. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
Time have changed.... Slavery was part of the economics and society... Now it is not. When the revelation came at the time of prophets... The stupid athesits (at those times) had no guideness... had no light... had no order... They allowed slavery, adultery, interest, and many other things which the prophets came to hate or forbid...

Slavery was part of the daily life, which was very hard to just abolish it immedatly... but God came in a educated way... Treat your slaves like you treat yourselves.. You will be punished for doing wrong with your slaves, it is preferred to free your slaves for the sake of God..

Without God's enlightenment, slavery would've existed to this day.

Quote:
Originally posted by RossH
a.. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for
her?
Problem which I hate is when people quote half or little of a paragraph.... just to prove their point... Why not post the whole thing...

Quote:
Originally posted by RossH
a.. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev 15: 19-24. The problem is
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
She should tell you, if she takes it as an offensive then she is not following God's order...

Quote:
Originally posted by RossH
a.. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates
a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
Is it obligatory to sacrafice a bull? Sacraficing to God does not even have to be via killing. You can sacrafice to God that you do not committ adultery when you are able to... not to do lustlous things when you can, but sacraficing it for the love of God..

Quote:
Originally posted by RossH
a.. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
That law only applies to that religion.. not others... Applying God's rules only takes affect when people follow his order and apply religion to state... Also you are not allowed to apply God's punishements.. It is the job of the ruler..

Quote:
Originally posted by RossH
a.. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there "degrees"
of abomination?
God's laws are there... Follow them or not.. you will be judge in the hereafter

Quote:
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
Quote:
Originally posted by RossH
a.. Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room
here?
let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. Which means you do not offer... It does not say anything about attending...

Quote:
Originally posted by RossH
a.. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev
19:27. How should they die?
Umm.. where does it say they get killed???

Quote:
Originally posted by RossH
a.. I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
I do not see the relationship here... nothing?

Quote:
Originally posted by RossH
a.. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them (Lev 24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to
death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep
with their in-laws? (Lev 20:14)
Again, where does it explain the punishment.... Incest is not allowed in religion, just like not being natural (gay,lesbian)..

Quote:
Originally posted by RossH
I know, President Bush, you have
studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise
in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
I really do not see how Bush is following God's words in ruling...

Quote:
Originally posted by DevilDog
Wow, if Christians would read that it would surely shipwreck their faith as it has mine. That person knows the Bible better than anyone else I've ever met or read in my life.

...Kill and eat... Acts 11:7
Everyone on earth does that on daily basis... We kill animals and eat them!

Peace,

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Yaaay for old testament!

//Not seeing the point of this thread other than another sad little hater. Wake me up when it's time for war.

Dear Ross,

Why do you wear so many faces?
http://images.google.ca/images?q=Ross

Ah, see: Not everything someone says or does in "your name" reflects on you. The same applies here. I'm not one to say this man is a Christian, or not a Christian but not everyone who does something and uses 'Your name' in it means they're you, a follow of you or a believer in you.

//In Ross we trust.
http://images.google.ca/images?q=Ross

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Originally posted by sirius
Yeah, it's actually pretty old.... but still a GREAT read!

Thanks RossH!

Sirius
Yeah, like 1700 years old. Get over it, you still read that?

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Wow, you just took something that is completely against you and just made like it completely part of your belief system and worked it completely into your ideals. If god is god and god is so powerful why wouldn't he just use his power to end slavery and injustice?

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Sure seems like a lot of hate from people in the old days if they followed the bible .

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Re: Re: Dear President Bush

Quote:
Originally posted by azizny
Time have changed.... Slavery was part of the economics and society... Now it is not. When the revelation came at the time of prophets... The stupid athesits (at those times) had no guideness... had no light... had no order... They allowed slavery, adultery, interest, and many other things which the prophets came to hate or forbid...

Slavery was part of the daily life, which was very hard to just abolish it immedatly... but God came in a educated way... Treat your slaves like you treat yourselves.. You will be punished for doing wrong with your slaves, it is preferred to free your slaves for the sake of God..

Without God's enlightenment, slavery would've existed to this day.
This is an absolutely ridiculous rationalisation. The so called morality that God dictates and people follow would not allow something as immoral as slavery to continue for the sake of appeasing the masses. By your own admission, incest, adultery, and other highly immoral crimes were condemned by the bible, yet slavery was allowed to continue. So I'm slightly confused by your logic. Because the bible says so, is slavery ok today? If you answered no to this question, doesn't that place EVERY other fact of the bible into disrepute. After all, this text is supposed to be our moral compass...and if it was wrong about Slavery, well...you get my point.

What I find most interesting is your justification that slavery was allowed because it was part of society. You want to hear something interesting....2000 years later homosexuality is part of our society. It exists everywhere (it exists in hundreds of species of animals). Therefore, using your logic as a guide, I'm going to argue that God would allow homosexually if the bible was written today, just as he allowed slavery 2000 years ago because it was part of society.

The problem with people like yourself is that you will twist the story of the bible to justify any logic which the religous right choose to pilfer to the masses, even when it is an obvious contraction.

So what is my point. The Bible(or any other religous text) serve little purpose in contempory society where morals, laws and people are dicated by different circumstances (I'm having a lot of trouble remembering the part about human cloning from my Sunday School Classes-get my point). Morals are not absolute, they change with the circumstances of a society, and in between societies.

I should point out I am NOT against religion. Religion has a place in every society. My problem is people who use a thousand plus year old religious text that contains numerous contradictions to justify vilifying individuals.

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Well said Professor... well said.

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Re: Re: Re: Dear President Bush

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Originally posted by Professor
This is an absolutely ridiculous rationalisation. The so called morality that God dictates and people follow would not allow something as immoral as slavery to continue for the sake of appeasing the masses. By your own admission, incest, adultery, and other highly immoral crimes were condemned by the bible, yet slavery was allowed to continue. So I'm slightly confused by your logic. Because the bible says so, is slavery ok today? If you answered no to this question, doesn't that place EVERY other fact of the bible into disrepute. After all, this text is supposed to be our moral compass...and if it was wrong about Slavery, well...you get my point.

What I find most interesting is your justification that slavery was allowed because it was part of society. You want to hear something interesting....2000 years later homosexuality is part of our society. It exists everywhere (it exists in hundreds of species of animals). Therefore, using your logic as a guide, I'm going to argue that God would allow homosexually if the bible was written today, just as he allowed slavery 2000 years ago because it was part of society.

The problem with people like yourself is that you will twist the story of the bible to justify any logic which the religous right choose to pilfer to the masses, even when it is an obvious contraction.

So what is my point. The Bible(or any other religous text) serve little purpose in contempory society where morals, laws and people are dicated by different circumstances (I'm having a lot of trouble remembering the part about human cloning from my Sunday School Classes-get my point). Morals are not absolute, they change with the circumstances of a society, and in between societies.

I should point out I am NOT against religion. Religion has a place in every society. My problem is people who use a thousand plus year old religious text that contains numerous contradictions to justify vilifying individuals.
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Re: Re: Re: Dear President Bush

Quote:
Originally posted by Professor
This is an absolutely ridiculous rationalisation. The so called morality that God dictates and people follow would not allow something as immoral as slavery to continue for the sake of appeasing the masses. By your own admission, incest, adultery, and other highly immoral crimes were condemned by the bible, yet slavery was allowed to continue. So I'm slightly confused by your logic. Because the bible says so, is slavery ok today? If you answered no to this question, doesn't that place EVERY other fact of the bible into disrepute. After all, this text is supposed to be our moral compass...and if it was wrong about Slavery, well...you get my point.

What I find most interesting is your justification that slavery was allowed because it was part of society. You want to hear something interesting....2000 years later homosexuality is part of our society. It exists everywhere (it exists in hundreds of species of animals). Therefore, using your logic as a guide, I'm going to argue that God would allow homosexually if the bible was written today, just as he allowed slavery 2000 years ago because it was part of society.

The problem with people like yourself is that you will twist the story of the bible to justify any logic which the religous right choose to pilfer to the masses, even when it is an obvious contraction.

So what is my point. The Bible(or any other religous text) serve little purpose in contempory society where morals, laws and people are dicated by different circumstances (I'm having a lot of trouble remembering the part about human cloning from my Sunday School Classes-get my point). Morals are not absolute, they change with the circumstances of a society, and in between societies.

I should point out I am NOT against religion. Religion has a place in every society. My problem is people who use a thousand plus year old religious text that contains numerous contradictions to justify vilifying individuals.
Thanks, you said what needed to be said and in a far better way then I would have.

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