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    * WHT Copycat!

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    i dont see a connection

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    me either. that forums seems to be a phpBB one. How would that be copying off of WHT?

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    Some of the forum descriptions are pretty much the same. Some are even exactly the same.
    It says also WebHostingTalk right at the top.

    Did you miss that?

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    Nothing wrong in copying a bit of descriptions and names.

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    that's hilarious...

    the subforums are exactly the same and in the same exact order with some taken out

    this is a word for word copy of webhostingtalk

    let the law suits begin!

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    Originally posted by hellind2
    Nothing wrong in copying a bit of descriptions and names.
    exactly!

    just because some teenager calls their forum WebHostingTalk, it doesn't mean a thing..

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    Originally posted by Surpass Networks
    Some of the forum descriptions are pretty much the same. Some are even exactly the same.
    It says also WebHostingTalk right at the top.

    Did you miss that?
    yes, yes i did...

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    Originally posted by hellind2
    Nothing wrong in copying a bit of descriptions and names.
    Hmm well alright. That is your view. But what does it say at the bottom of WHT?

    Copyright 2001-2005 WebHostingTalk.Com. All Rights Reserved

    I'm not an expert but why wouldn't forum descriptions be included.

    Plus that forum does use the term WebHostingTalk which is a trademark

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    well... it seems to be hosted in singapore, so I guess theres nothing that can be done about it

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    Yeah, I wouldn't have posted if they didn't copy the forum descriptions -- but, they did.

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    Its OK,except its on phpBB which sucks compared to Vbulletin!!

    Ah well

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    If it is in Singapore, that is a strong chance that things that need to be redressed would be. We have some of the best legal framework here.

    Originally posted by JYC
    well... it seems to be hosted in singapore, so I guess theres nothing that can be done about it

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    Wink

    Originally posted by The Dude
    Its OK,except its on phpBB which sucks compared to Vbulletin!!

    Ah well
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    The person that had that in their signature now has a disabled account.
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    So are you guys telling me that

    1) Copying the same forum descriptions is legally wrong?
    2) Having the categories labelled and ordered same is also legally wrong.

    If the name 'Webhostingtalk' is trademarked, I guess it can be an infringment, but what about the above two?

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    It's plagarism.

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    Maybe they had their forum first.. Come on it shows >> We have 58 registered users . J/K

    It is funny how a successful forum or site will come about and then there will be 100 copycats trying to do the same thing.

    Copying a site down to the exact text is silly.


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    This search reveals many, many cases copy and paste plagarism of Webhostingtalk.

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    Originally posted by hellind2
    Nothing wrong in copying a bit of descriptions and names.
    Hello, where have you been? Plagiarism has been, is, and will continue to be illegal, immoral and unethical for the forseeable future.

    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=413836

    Originally posted by hellind2
    If the name 'Webhostingtalk' is trademarked, I guess it can be an infringment, but what about the above two?
    Trademarks and copyrights are different beasts entirely. When someone authors original content, they automatically have a copyright on it. This means if someone else wishes to use that content, they must first ask for permission.

    I get frustrated going over this same ground in ripping case after ripping case. What part of "Don't copy others' work and put your name on it" is so hard for people to grasp?

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    Originally posted by ichris
    This search reveals many, many cases copy and paste plagarism of Webhostingtalk.
    Wow, all clowns I tell ya!
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    Originally posted by BigBison
    I get frustrated going over this same ground in ripping case after ripping case. What part of "Don't copy others' work and put your name on it" is so hard for people to grasp?

    I couldn't agree more with the above, especially when the copyright is officially registered (which I think it is with WHT).
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    Originally posted by BigBison
    Hello, where have you been? Plagiarism has been, is, and will continue to be illegal, immoral and unethical for the forseeable future.

    Trademarks and copyrights are different beasts entirely. When someone authors original content, they automatically have a copyright on it. This means if someone else wishes to use that content, they must first ask for permission.

    I get frustrated going over this same ground in ripping case after ripping case. What part of "Don't copy others' work and put your name on it" is so hard for people to grasp?

    Yes, I have read your stand on plagiarism, and copying other's people content is not right.

    I have been warned very well when submitting my university dissertation.

    But, in this case, it was a maximum of a few lines.

    And I admit I copied a few lines from published papers.

    EDIT: How much variation can one come up with a few words? In reference to http://www.google.com/search?hs=w1z&...22&btnG=Search
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    Originally posted by hellind2
    Yes, I have read your stand on plagiarism, and copying other's people content is not right.

    I have been warned very well when submitting my university dissertation.

    But, in this case, it was a maximum of a few lines.

    And I admit I copied a few lines from published papers.
    Nearly 15 lines were copied word for word
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    Ha, if alot fo sites that said they where copyrighted, why don't they link there copyright proof? i mean, you CAN'T copyright a forum. Freedom of speech, and I beleave waaay before this forum there where others that said the same exact things. So just forget this, nothing is wrong here!

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    It's bad, but considering that WHT on a good day turns about 3 times as many members/posts as the entire forum has, it isn't too worrysome

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    Originally posted by dotcomdotbiz
    Ha, if alot fo sites that said they where copyrighted, why don't they link there copyright proof? i mean, you CAN'T copyright a forum. Freedom of speech, and I beleave waaay before this forum there where others that said the same exact things. So just forget this, nothing is wrong here!
    Because they don't need to 'link their copyright proof'. In most of the world, the mere fact of creating content means it's automatically copyrighted. Yes, you CAN copyright a forum. The rules, descriptions and other content are certainly covered under copyright law.

    Freedom of speech has nothing to do with plagiarizing others' content. If you would kindly refer to the forum rules which you agreed to when signing up, you actually agree to assign certain of your copyrights over to Inet when posting here.

    I wouldn't accuse WHT of having ripped their content from some hypothetical site that predates this one. Certainly not without proof. That accusation you just made that WHT ripped its content is another exception to free speech known as libel, which is when you publicly accuse someone of a crime (copyright infringement) without being able to offer proof.

    So you may quote my forum posts, and Inet/WHT may edit them, move them around, combine them into other threads or delete them. Still, I do retain an awful lot of rights to my original content I post here. Let's say I post a HowTo. You may link to it all you'd like. You may NOT copy and paste the content anywhere without recognizing the original author.

    My posts are my work. Quoting them within the context of WHT is perfectly acceptable, but as per common sense, nobody may claim the content within my posts as their own. So dotcomdotbiz, if I were you I would educate myself as to what the laws actually say instead of assuming you know.
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    Originally posted by hellind2
    But, in this case, it was a maximum of a few lines.
    So plagiarism is OK as long as it's only a little bit and you don't get caught?

    In my entire education, not once did I ever see the need to plagiarize someone else's work. Not even a few lines. There is always another way to write a sentence, or express a thought. If someone else's wording is particularly elegant, then you say "I think so-and-so put it best when he said whatever" and give credit where it is due.

    I can't believe that despite the stern warnings, you included plagiarized content in a dissertation. Did that stern warning indicate to you anywhere that plagiarism would be tolerated, so long as it was limited to a few lines? I don't think so, and I think you should consider yourself lucky for not getting caught. Most universities take the same zero-tolerance stance that I do on this topic.

    There comes a point where a word grouping is considered 'common phrasing'. In the following thread:

    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=421166

    The phrase "free shipping promotion for new customers" is common, as a Google search quickly reveals. However, the plagiarized sentence, despite sounding common enough, is unique.

    Like I asked about my acceptable rewrite of that sentence, which is also unique, how hard was that? A simple edit to avoid plagiarism. If you can't do that, then you'd better cite the reference.

    Another recent thread with some good info:

    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=422375

    If you're running a business and these concepts elude you, please consult with an attorney instead of insisting here that I'm wrong about what I'm saying, because I'm not wrong and I'm getting really tired of saying "plagiarism is wrong" every freaking day.

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    Ive seen quite alot of look-alikes, People who have copyed the forum names. Theres no competition for iNet or WHT so should be a problem really let them have there fun

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    It looks slightly similiar, but I seriously doubt a huge website and community like WHT would really take notice to a forum that has less than 60 registered users.

    I am sure it is wrong, but I am sure WHT wouldn't neccessiarly like to take the time to shut it down.. especially over-seas.. whats the point?
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    Just another copycat, trying to be good like wht, but will never be...

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    Yes that's a pretty close call. I would say one of the Community leaders should ask the owner to change alll the descriptions a the earliest. If they don't we can contact the host or DataCenter.

    ....whatever be done but this shouldn't be allowed.
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    I am sure that some of you have once copied a few sentences from other websites. But just let them be, they are only small.
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    It's clearly plagiarism ... and I don't see it being all that successful - probably just a friendly e-mail/reminder would be sufficient.

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    Not just plagiarism is involved, but also trademark infringement:

    http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...ate=554q3u.3.1

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    I don't see how its a copy of WHT..

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    Really its not a copycat unless WebHostingTalk is a trademark rather than a company or trading name of inet interactive. I do not see inet going after such small websites anyway.

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    Originally posted by FelixHost
    Really its not a copycat unless WebHostingTalk is a trademark rather than a company or trading name of inet interactive. I do not see inet going after such small websites anyway.
    The copyright on a site's content has nothing to do with any trademarks. You say it isn't a copycat, but I think you're misinformed. As soon as WHT posted its forum descriptions, that content was protected under copyright laws. To plagiarize it, is in violation of that law, regardless of who owns the board, what the trademarks are, or anything else.

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