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  1. #26
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    Originally posted by pDflex
    I'm 17 turning 18 soon, I guess I'll be legal.... plus my partners 18+
    Wow ... congratulations! I'm glad that you can start early.

    If I may say ... make sure that you guard your mind and decision. Put others before you and associate with people who are moving forward in life. Focus on your dream, be persistent and consistent, listen to the right people and I am sure you will be successful.
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  2. #27
    thank you, first person who actually thinks I can go somewhere with this...
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    Judging by your replies, this is how I see it as far as a reality check goes.

    Your planning to run a GSP on a sub par network with Calhost with a single server. The odds that the pings and quality of bandwidth will be good enough for any potential customers to stay with you are very remote.

    Assuming paying customers do signup, as soon as they have problems they'll jump ship to another GSP with little notice, sapping your time, and likely put in quite a few chargebacks or credit requests.

    You aren't old enough to register a business, not to mention just about every aspect of legally operating one, from taxes, to employees, to handling processing of payments, banking, etc.

    How do you intend to accept payments? Do you have a business account with your bank (they will require a business license), do you meet the requirements for a merchant account for credit card processing?

    What experience do you have yourself to act as a manager or sytem admin, nor does it appear you have a skilled employee(s) that can be depended on for setting up servers or supporting customers 24/7. Basing your business on "volunteers" and partners is just asking for problems.

    How much time could you and your volunteers or partner honestly put in to run it full time plus after hours without conflicting with your studies, job, or just wanting to take off for the weekend or night?

    Where's the funding coming from to cover any potential expenses for at least a year.

    What are your plans for advertising? Do you have money budgeted for that? Key point is "word of mouth" is not a advertising plan for a new business.

    Some of these comments may seem harsh, but they're all real concerns.
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  4. #29
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    I think you cannot proceed into this sort of endeavour until your of age - So you'll either have to wait or your friend will have to "take over" and bring you on as staff.
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  5. #30
    I got paypal.... I'll let my partner handle the business side.... why's everyone so uptight?

    a 3.0 dual xeon 2 GB isn't good enough for you? How about me pinging under 10 to some of the GSP'S that use calhost? That's a bad network? Far as customers go, I can get a shitload. I have been playing cs for 3-4 years and I know most of the westcoast. It would be a breeze to get my name out on the west and then start expanding...
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  6. #31
    Yes I know that, but for the first 1-2 monthes we're probably not gonna go fetch after a license. I've talked to some GSP's and they have told me it's necessary when you start getting bigger... not right away
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    Really.. they probably don't feel they need to pay taxes on income either until they get bigger either.
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  8. #33
    dunno that's what they told me
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  9. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by pDflex
    I'm 17 turning 18 soon, I guess I'll be legal.... plus my partners 18+
    Quote Originally Posted by pDflex
    dunno that's what they told me
    Just basing your business off of other's isn't a great start either. Just because they're not legally operating a business because they feel they need to get bigger, doesn't mean you are entitled to do the same. Boy do I feel sorry for this partner of yours. Seems he's going to get a bite in the *** from your actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by pDflex
    why's everyone so uptight?
    Everyone is just tired of the 'fly by night kiddie hosts' that persistently pop up. They're trying to save your *** because you seem to be going in that direction. Judging by your replies, you still have some growing up to do, and a lot more to learn in life. Perhaps 18 shouldn't be a legal adult age for you since it doesn't seem your maturity level has reached that of an adult yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by pDflex
    a 3.0 dual xeon 2 GB isn't good enough for you?
    Just because you have a high spec machine, does not necessarily mean that servers hosted on it will perform well. It has to do with administrating the server also, and good judgement as to not overload. There is no need to flash your high specs.

    Quote Originally Posted by pDflex
    How about me pinging under 10 to some of the GSP'S that use calhost?
    The keyword there is me. Just because you ping well there, does not mean that others will. Just from that statement, I would assume you have little to no knowledge about how networks operate. Please don't use a come back like "ooh, I configured my cable modem and router at home and I do this and that to it".

    Quote Originally Posted by pDflex
    Far as customers go, I can get a shitload. ... It would be a breeze to get my name out on the west and then start expanding...
    That attitude just makes me think you're in it for the money. You are absolutely wrong. That is why people are trying to discourage YOU to not persue this as it's not a get rich quick industry. It's a lot of work and time that's required to pull in thin margins.
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  10. #35
    I'm not even going to reply to you. I'll just let my gameserver company owning the **** out of yours do the talking... later
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  11. #36
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    http://www.hyperspin.com/publicreport/17604/6625

    I know it's a free service and anyone can fake uptime, so take the report for whatever value you place on them. But I think 100% uptime and 60ms pings from the east coast is slightly better than subpar. But that's me.

    At least he's starting with a decent West Coast network. I don't have any opinion on the other aspects of his approach. Lord knows I wish more people listened to my opinions.

    Sorry- just ran across this and had to chime in.
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    Originally posted by pDflex
    I'm not even going to reply to you. I'll just let my gameserver company owning the **** out of yours do the talking... later

    right like anyone will do business with a company that claims "we'll pwn the **** out of the competition! lolz!!!!!"
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  13. #38
    Interesting reply pDflex. You have a lot more growing up then I suspected...just do us all a favor and just concentrate on school.

    Your replies imply that you don't deal well with people, which will be quite a problem, considering all day, you'll be tending to little kids and all their complaining. I think you'll end up chasing the majority of them away if you cannot even keep comments straight on this forum.
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    Originally posted by pDflex
    I'm not even going to reply to you. I'll just let my gameserver company owning the **** out of yours do the talking... later
    That's simply amazing, Yeah - I would suggest finishing school and then finishing more school (Post Secondary)
    Most likely someone of that stature is the one playing the games, Not running them. Business isn't a pissing contest - It's about who can deal with their customer load and offer the most optimal service to fit their needs. (For Starters.. Theres many books on the issue if you want to get indepth)

    But I doubt you'd want to go through all that trouble - and just retire early, right?
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    Originally posted by pDflex
    I'm not even going to reply to you. I'll just let my gameserver company owning the **** out of yours do the talking... later
    Erm, CyanoX gave you an honest and truthful answer and you reply immaturely and pathetically, "owning" another persons company, if you stay in buisness more than 3 months then you have out lived my expectations.
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    Originally posted by pDflex
    I got paypal.... I'll let my partner handle the business side.... why's everyone so uptight?
    Why? Becuase we're all sick and tired of seeing 14 year olds come blazing in to their new business, only to close up shop when they:

    * Get a girlfriend (or boyfriend)
    * Have too much homework
    * Mommy and Daddy cut off funding

    You all come and go like the morning breeze and you start these totally absurd threads thinking you're going to take over the world.

    I'll just let my gameserver company owning the **** out of yours
    Like everyone else has said... focus on school and come back to thinking about running a business when you can act like an adult.

    Until then... best of luck, I am sure X-Gaming will be thrilled to pick up your customers when you fold shop.

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  17. #42
    let's sticky this or something... and we'll see how my little gameserver company is doing? You guys are calling me immature?
    50 people voiced their opinions on whether or not I should start my GSP. All I did was I asked a few questions...
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    Originally posted by pDflex
    let's sticky this or something... and we'll see how my little gameserver company is doing? You guys are calling me immature?
    50 people voiced their opinions on whether or not I should start my GSP. All I did was I asked a few questions...
    Sure, put your URL in your signature (don't post it in the thread, as you'll get points for self promotion) and we'll see where you are in a few months.

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    Originally posted by pDflex
    let's sticky this or something... and we'll see how my little gameserver company is doing? You guys are calling me immature?
    50 people voiced their opinions on whether or not I should start my GSP. All I did was I asked a few questions...
    I think you are misinterperting what people are saying. I would love to see you do well but please understand this business is very difficult to get a good start in without doing some major homework..

    For illustration purposes below is a partial list of companies that went under this year alone. Please note several of these companies have been in business more then a few years and were very experienced at running a GSP.. I personally knew a few of these guys and can tell you they ran a tight ship.

    My point is putting up a website and renting a machine from somewhere is the least of your problems.. You need to know 10x as much as your smartest customer of which by all due respect I don't see with you.. This is why everyone is being hard on you..

    http://ilangame.com/

    http://www.deadlyservers.com/

    http://www.cyberseals.net/

    http://www.evasiveactiongaming.com/

    http://pitstopgaming.com/

    http://www.fraghqservers.com/

    http://turbogamingservers.com/

    http://www.btlservers.com/

    http://www.Gamerzarena.Net

    http://www.deadlyhosting.com

    http://extremenetworkz.com/

    http://www.playdedicated.com/

    http://www.ixer0.com

    http://www.strikeservers.com

    http://www.urbanservers.com

    http://enzix.com

    http://www.reddevilgaming.com

    http://www.pserversolutions.com/

    http://enhanced-gaming.net

    http://www.nglservers.com

    http://www.axisservers.com/

    http://lowpingers.com

    http://www.ampedservices.com

    http://www.vbservers.net/

    http://www.packetz.net/

    http://www.fast-gaming.com/

    http://www.boxmadness.com/

    http://www.boomboomservers.co.uk/

    http://www.hypersonichosting.com/

    http://www.the-outer-realms.com/

    http://www.enkicommunications.com

    http://www.gotgameservers.com/

    http://www.l33tservers.com/

    http://www.factoryunreal.com

    http://www.edgegamer.com/

    http://lowpings.net

    http://blackknightservers.com/

    http://www.isogames.com/

    http://www.ng-league.com/

    http://www.interactivegaming.net/

    http://www.gameracks.com/

    http://www.gamehosts.com/

    http://www.deviantservers.com/

    http://www.game-extreme.com

    http://www.frozenwire.com/

    http://www.syckoservers.net/

    http://www.global-hosts.org/

    http://www.skompton.com/

    http://www.sure-servers.net

    http://www.nuttyservers.net/

    http://thebbgn.net/

    http://www.gegameservers.com/

    http://www.dynindustry.com

    http://www.serverempire.net/

    http://www.clanoutpost.com/

    http://www.ecuclan.com/

    http://www.els-servers.com/

    http://www.aohost.co.uk/

    http://silenthought.net/

    http://www.ngservers.net/

    http://absolutegaming.net/

    www.EzServerz.com

    http://www.e7servers.com/


    So my question to you is "What makes your company any different then the ones listed above? How will you overcome what the companies above didn't seem to be able to overcome?
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  20. #45
    AbsoluteGaming.net did not go under, we just sold our assets to another local company.
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  21. #46
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    I am sure with careful planning, having the right perspective and be in the right association, pDflex can be successful. The beauty about success principle is, it works for those who apply it provided that he/she is willing to pay the price.

    I do agree though, that there will be quite a few home works that need to be done first and the road may not be easy. But, I am sure it is doable.
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    Originally posted by adidasrta
    AbsoluteGaming.net did not go under, we just sold our assets to another local company.
    We personally bought out a few of the companies listed too.. After they went under..
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    Originally posted by adidasrta
    AbsoluteGaming.net did not go under, we just sold our assets to another local company.
    Typically companies that sell their asset's are doing so because they are going out of business or are out of business.

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  24. #49
    yes, i am about to get married, and wanted to get out while i was up. PLUS the offer was good & unexpcted.

    Back to the main subject on hand. From my personal experience, the game server industry is a lucrative business if you know what your doing and have a solid business model. I invested too much time [not regretting it], but looking at the list i could say that 90% didn't last over 3 months. So something must have went wrong.
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    It depends on what you mean by 'Lucrative'..

    I think alot of guys decide they want to get into hosting whether it's games or another form of hosting with the notion that they wll get rich just by sitting on their butts all day and devote a few hours here and there doing it.. But then they wake up a few months later realizing that putting in 80 hours per week and making a few hundred bucks is not quite what they had in mind..

    I would venture to guess that out of the thousand + GSP's running today maybe less then a dozen actually earn enough funds per month to say they are 'making a living' at it.

    The reason behind this is very simple. To make any money at any kind of business you first need to invest.. This means invest money and invest time.. And I can tell you that for every hour of time invested you will NOT make an hour of profit..

    Make no mistake about it running a web business is no different then running a business in your hometown and in some instances is even harder as competition is greater..
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