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06-18-2005, 04:10 PM #1Web Hosting Evangelist
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how to tell if it is a reseller?
How can you tell if a webhost is a reseller?
And how do I find out who they're reselling from?
Thanks.
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06-18-2005, 04:51 PM #2Automation Specialist
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It's hard if done correctly. You can try to reverse resolve the IP's and if the reseller does not have private IP's, it could show. You can also try webhosting.info. Beyond that, it gets technical
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06-18-2005, 05:48 PM #3Newbie
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Just do a Whois on one of their IP numbers. It will tell you who 'owns' the IP range - and resellers will not have their own range.
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06-18-2005, 05:53 PM #4Web Hosting Master
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Neither with dedicated owners, or colo owners have their own range sometimes. So thats not the best advice.
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06-18-2005, 05:53 PM #5Automation Specialist
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Either will regular hosting companies MarkJones2004... Just because I purchase from CRNC.net does not mean I'm CRNC.net Just because people purchase from The Planet doesn't mean they are The Planet
Most host's don't have their own IP blocks (as in ownership).
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06-18-2005, 05:55 PM #6Newbie
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The hosting companies I've used have their own IP ranges with RIPE. I suppose it's possible for a genuine host to be using their upstream providers IPs though.
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06-18-2005, 08:07 PM #7Location = SoapBox
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Send them an email to their support desk - the kind with an automated response - and check the mail headers that are returned
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06-18-2005, 08:16 PM #8I am a newbie :D
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Ask them, in all probable case they will tell you.
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06-18-2005, 09:11 PM #9Junior Guru Wannabe
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Just ask them directly... most honest hosts will tell you!
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06-18-2005, 09:17 PM #10Web Hosting Rockstar
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Originally posted by HOST78
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06-18-2005, 11:23 PM #11WHT Addict
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I personally find that http://www.dnsstuff.com is a great site for doig this sort of thing. You can tell right away from using the many diferent types of look-ups there.
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06-18-2005, 11:35 PM #12Junior Guru Wannabe
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In some cases, they cant do such things like chown. Some of my customer cant access their auto-install Mambo modules because files owned by nobody. They ask me to change it into their user. I think reseller cant do that
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06-19-2005, 12:25 AM #13Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by MarkJones2004
The hosting companies I've used have their own IP ranges with RIPE. I suppose it's possible for a genuine host to be using their upstream providers IPs though.
Bad advice IMHO that would knock out lots of providers who are not resellers.
(I have a bad taste about resellers but there is nothing you can do, to me it's like a get rich quick, late night TV ad...host unlimited domains for $15 a month... But as long as hosts keep offering and keep doing the best possible job of hiding their resellers as being resellers it willl be hard for the consumer to tell.
PS: Nothing really against getting started as a reseller, it's how they do it. It just shouldn't be "unlimited everything" for "next to nothing" so there is the never-ending stream of new resellers "in business" offering $2 hosting they can't support, and the never ending list of complaints about "where did my host go with my money?" here)New Idea Hosting NO Overselling-Business-Grade, Shared Only! New-In House Design Team.
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06-19-2005, 12:46 AM #14Web Hosting Guru
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Originally posted by MarkJones2004
Just do a Whois on one of their IP numbers. It will tell you who 'owns' the IP range - and resellers will not have their own range.
Basically call a host you want to use and ask them if they resell. Most will tell you the truth but never base your answer on a reverse IP.
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06-19-2005, 05:03 AM #15Aspiring Evangelist
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Originally posted by CartikaHosting
Send them an email to their support desk - the kind with an automated response - and check the mail headers that are returned
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06-19-2005, 05:05 AM #16Junior Guru
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Asking them is a good start. If they say yes, you have your answer. If they say no, then you need to do some more research.
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06-19-2005, 05:06 AM #17Aspiring Evangelist
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Or you could do a reverse lookup , Get the ip and search google to see if come's up with anything
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06-19-2005, 05:18 AM #18Web Hosting Rockstar
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Originally posted by MegaHosters
This is SO not true. Reverse any of our C-blocks and they reverse to nectartech.com we share a huge cage with them San Jose and have our racks in the same room as their stuff, we use the upstreams piped in to the cage and the IPs are allocated to their company name. We are not resellers nor have we ever been. Buying our own IP blocks would cost a stupid amount of money and not be worth it unless we had over 1000 servers.
Basically call a host you want to use and ask them if they resell. Most will tell you the truth but never base your answer on a reverse IP.
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06-19-2005, 06:37 AM #19WHT Addict
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what i really want to know is the comparison of advantages and disadvantages of buying web hosting from a reseller..
most of the time, the "reseller staff" are much more interested in helping you because a customer is much more valuable for a smaller company. may be the lack of knowledge is the biggest problem of a reseller and I can't think of any other adv. or disadv.
what do you think about working with a reseller?
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06-19-2005, 07:37 AM #20Web Hosting Master
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IPs are expensive?? Who said so...
The Annual ARIN fee for an IP is less than $1.... Obviously you need to take it in blocks.. we take IPs normally in class C or 1024 IP blocks...init.me - Build, Share & Embed
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06-19-2005, 07:55 AM #21Retired Moderator
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Originally posted by Yash-JH
IPs are expensive?? Who said so...
The Annual ARIN fee for an IP is less than $1.... Obviously you need to take it in blocks.. we take IPs normally in class C or 1024 IP blocks...
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06-19-2005, 10:27 AM #22Big fan of RajiniKanth!!!
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my first question,
why would not go with an reseller host??
If he is doing a nice job,just proceed.
If u need to find whether an host is an reseller.
1. Check his prices ,
2. Try to catch him whether he can give u an dedicated IP on extra cost,
3. check where the site is hosted,