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06-17-2005, 03:09 AM #1Away
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MSNBC Poll - Do you believe President Bush misled the nation in order to go to war
Do you believe President Bush misled the nation in order to go to war with Iraq?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8248969/#survey
17764 responses with a %94 yes vote0
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06-17-2005, 03:10 AM #2Web Hosting Master
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I forsee :
MSNBC is clearly democratic, now if we asked this on a unbiased network, such as FOX...0
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06-17-2005, 03:15 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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"Not a scientifically valid survey."
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06-17-2005, 03:23 AM #4Away
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Originally posted by Hiccups
"Not a scientifically valid survey."0
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06-17-2005, 03:24 AM #5Retired Moderator
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I am a big bush supporter and even I had to vote yes.
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Re: MSNBC Poll - Do you believe President Bush misled the nation in order to go to w
Originally posted by RossH
Do you believe President Bush misled the nation in order to go to war with Iraq?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8248969/#survey
17764 responses with a %94 yes vote
The fact he didn't have that proof is troubling, since without any proof to show the nation or the UN, he still found it good enough to go to war. I think more people would have been behind the war if he'd simply made a case about why Saddam should have been removed from power and the crimes he committed. While I'd have been more in support of that reason, I don't think there was such a huge urgency (of course, the claim of WMD was the reason for the 'urgency').
Anyway, we, the people, can't do a damn thing about what our president does. We have no power to stop it or vote against it, so hopefully more of the other nations will understand that "we, the people" are not responsible for the actions of one man or his panel of lackey's and stop thinking all the American people are suckers and are gullible. After all, the US people didn't vote him into office, at least not the first time. I'm still amazed the goof ball won a second term, but oh well, I just live here and pay taxes, I guess it's none of my business. Of course, I don't speak for anyone but myself, I'm sure there's plenty of people that support him and the war too, and even people that believe there was WMD's and still are.0
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06-17-2005, 03:31 AM #7Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by justadollarhostin
I am a big bush supporter and even I had to vote yes.0
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06-17-2005, 03:37 AM #8Retired Moderator
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Originally posted by Tim_Greer
So, how are you a big Bush supporter, seeing you believe he mislead, or tried to mislead the nation? I'm only curious, I'm not getting on your case about it or anything.
That being said I could point out a case when almost every president in the history of the nation has done something that I did not care for. It almost seems like it is part of the job anymore. If Kerry had been elected I am sure he also would have done something that was stupid and looked down upon by a large portion of the nation. The best way to put it is that bush gets a B as president in my book. I can accept a president misleading the nation (weather it was intentional or not) one time in his term. Without knowing all the facts it is hard to put a hex on him.
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06-17-2005, 03:38 AM #9Web Hosting Master
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I recently read a report in The Times which talked about how an excuse for going to war with Iraq had to be found. Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of people now believe that Bush misled them – no WMD has been found; but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they now believe America shouldn’t have gone to war.
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06-17-2005, 03:44 AM #10Away
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Originally posted by Anjay
I recently read a report in The Times which talked about how an excuse for going to war with Iraq had to be found. Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of people now believe that Bush misled them – no WMD has been found; but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they now believe America shouldn’t have gone to war.
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06-17-2005, 03:45 AM #11Web Hosting Master
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Well the only poll that counts is election day. It's just a pity that the 94% vote in this poll, didn't equate to removing Bush from office last election.
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06-17-2005, 03:51 AM #12Web Hosting Master
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Well, politics and people's opinions are just too difficult to try and debate anyway, so I was just curious. I guess my issue isn't the attempts to mislead, but that people have been sent off to war and so many have died, and so many have been wounded. If this was a Water Gate scandal or something, I could see saying everyone gets one big mistake as a president, but the lives, the costs and the problems it created, I find pretty disturbing, where I'd have preferred nearly anyone else in office than him. I mean, this is a big deal in my book, but that's my view.
I'm not even saying that he didn't have inaccurate information that made him believe there was really a threat--I'd find that much more comforting in why he sent people off to war. However, the fact he wasn't able to present anything with any substance to convince anyone else, pretty much tells me that he did know it wasn't true. Had he presented something false, not knowing that appeared to be a threat, I could start to understand a reason and justification.
Of course, because how I personally feel about it, I find it difficult to imagine why anyone would be okay with it to any degree, but I certainly understand and can accept that not everyone agrees with my view or thinks like I do, so that's okay and I won't debate or argue it. I just sort of am a bit verbose about it, because how I personally feel about him and what he did. You are surely right, and I truly believe the choices of candidates has been truly pathetic as long as I've been alive and aware anyway. It's sad and frustrating and unfair and undemocratic and, in my opinion, hardly a sign of a free country where the people don't have a choice (often, sometimes it happens). I'm sure Kerry would have been a bone head, too, but I'd hope no worse. I've seriously thought "at least this guy can't be any worse than this guy" and have been wrong before.0
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06-17-2005, 03:53 AM #13Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by Aussie Bob
Well the only poll that counts is election day. It's just a pity that the 94% vote in this poll, didn't equate to removing Bush from office last election. :(
Well, that is how I felt. I don't vote, since it doesn't matter (unless you live in a specific county in Florida, apparently), but I did make an effort to vote against him. I didn't see it as a vote for Kerry, but a vote against Bush.0
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06-17-2005, 04:00 AM #14Web Hosting Master
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Re: Re: MSNBC Poll - Do you believe President Bush misled the nation in order to go to w
Originally posted by Tim_Greer
. . . After all, the US people didn't vote him into office, at least not the first time.
Not sure what you mean by that. He was elected for his first term, even if it was a judgment from the Supreme court.
I'm still amazed the goof ball won a second term . . .
You and me both. I couldn't believe he got there the first time, and didn't think he stood a snowflakes chance in hell for the 2nd term, given the Iraq disaster, his obvious incompetance and Moore's F-911 hack flick.
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06-17-2005, 04:08 AM #15Aspiring Evangelist
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so what if he lied, i dont see anyone doing anything about it. Lets form a rally, that will show him.
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06-17-2005, 04:14 AM #16Disabled
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i believe that if satan exists, he currently owns real estate inside the mind of george bush.
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06-17-2005, 04:24 AM #17Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by 3rdcoast
so what if he lied, i dont see anyone doing anything about it. Lets form a rally, that will show him.0
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Re: Re: Re: MSNBC Poll - Do you believe President Bush misled the nation in order to
Originally posted by Aussie Bob
You and me both. I couldn't believe he got there the first time, and didn't think he stood a snowflakes chance in hell for the 2nd term, given the Iraq disaster, his obvious incompetance and Moore's F-911 hack flick.
Supporters saw it as lies and hated Moore and people against Bush were just saying "Yeah, exactly!" Of course, then there's the normal people that don't get swayed by a movie that watched it and just didn't care and took from it what it presented--some real, valid points and some not to valid sort of kooky theories. I think, had Moore laid off the conspiracy theory stuff more and presented the facts, since they were interesting enough, I believe more people might have had their eyes opened... or not, depending on what you believe.0
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06-17-2005, 05:23 AM #19Riiiiiiiiiiiiight...
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What I dont understand is why this President is allowed to mislead his own people without taking responsibility or facing any serious repercussions. As I've said before, Bush has a plethora of resources at his disposal, he should be able to back up his intelligence with factual information or be smart enough to make an informed decision. He's either very naive which is a quality no US president should possess, or very sinister because he knew the truth about this war the entire time.
I would have a lot more respect for a man who said "I made a mistake, I apologize", but our current president is such a little peck, he doesn't even have the balls to admit his own wrongs.
If Clinton can be impeached for lying about his affair, then Bush should be faced with the same punishment. Clintons affair didn't cost us billions of dollars or 25,000 human lives. Those who mislead and lie to this extent are not fit to be in a leaders position.0
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06-17-2005, 06:23 AM #20Web Hosting Master
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A president can do anything they want. The worst that can happen, is they will be impeached. They have the ultimate power. They can't be put in prison, as it would open up too many national security issues, so they'd have to be in their own prison with extremely high security to keep people from having access, and that would be too much of an embarrassment.
This is why he has nothing to worry about and won't face any ramifications of his actions, assuming it would be proved that he did indeed know. In my opinion, even questioning if he's that stupid seems redundant. I think he is, but I don't think that's why he went to war. I think he's an embarrassment--in my opinion. Not a job I'd want, but he seems to be pretty bad at it.0
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06-17-2005, 06:28 AM #21Retired Moderator
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Originally posted by case
What I dont understand is why this President is allowed to mislead his own people without taking responsibility or facing any serious repercussions. As I've said before, Bush has a plethora of resources at his disposal, he should be able to back up his intelligence with factual information or be smart enough to make an informed decision. He's either very naive which is a quality no US president should possess, or very sinister because he knew the truth about this war the entire time.
I would have a lot more respect for a man who said "I made a mistake, I apologize", but our current president is such a little peck, he doesn't even have the balls to admit his own wrongs.
If Clinton can be impeached for lying about his affair, then Bush should be faced with the same punishment. Clintons affair didn't cost us billions of dollars or 25,000 human lives. Those who mislead and lie to this extent are not fit to be in a leaders position.█ Mike from Zoodia.com
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Originally posted by justadollarhostin
Where did the 25,000 human lives stat come from?0
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Originally posted by Tim_Greer
I actually didn't pay attention to that part, but I'd assume this includes citizens of Iraq and not just US and allied forces?
So maybe that 25,000 was the previous 100,000 figure revised?
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Originally posted by case
What I dont understand is why this President is allowed to mislead his own people without taking responsibility or facing any serious repercussions. As I've said before, Bush has a plethora of resources at his disposal, he should be able to back up his intelligence with factual information or be smart enough to make an informed decision. He's either very naive which is a quality no US president should possess, or very sinister because he knew the truth about this war the entire time.
I would have a lot more respect for a man who said "I made a mistake, I apologize", but our current president is such a little peck, he doesn't even have the balls to admit his own wrongs.
If Clinton can be impeached for lying about his affair, then Bush should be faced with the same punishment. Clintons affair didn't cost us billions of dollars or 25,000 human lives. Those who mislead and lie to this extent are not fit to be in a leaders position.
it can be argued that clintons inaction and lack of moral fiber are what allowed the current situation to acrue including 9/11.
clinton should have resigned instead of hanging on and subjecting the nations top office to shame.0
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06-17-2005, 07:22 AM #25Retired Moderator
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Oddly enough within the last 30 years has there been one president the nation has actually loved?
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