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06-12-2005, 02:23 PM #1WHT Addict
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Illegal?
Metallica Bootlegs/2-3-89 Erwin Events Center, Austin, TX/met890203d1_01_Blackened.mp3
Metallica Bootlegs/2-3-89 Erwin Events Center, Austin, TX/met890203d1_02_For_Whom_the_Bell_Tolls.mp3
/Metallica Bootlegs/2-3-89 Erwin Events Center, Austin, TX/met890203d1_03_Welcome_Home_Sanitarium.mp3
This guy swears metallica gave him permissions to share these songs... would that hold any truth? Ive never heard of anything of the sort.... please give me your opinionHigh Quality Low Cost Hosting For all of your hosting needs. Windows and Linux Dedicated, VPS And Shared!
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06-12-2005, 02:32 PM #2Retired Moderator
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This guy swears metallica gave him permissions to share these songs... would that hold any truth? Ive never heard of anything of the sort.... please give me your opinion0
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06-12-2005, 02:33 PM #3Web Hosting Master
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" To produce, distribute, or sell without permission or illegally: a clandestine outfit that bootlegs compact discs and tapes."
The definition of a bootleg, he has the answer right in his file name.0
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06-12-2005, 02:33 PM #4Junior Guru
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Im almost positive that Metallica would give no one permission to share their songs unless they were making money off it.
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06-12-2005, 02:39 PM #5WHT Addict
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LOL... well I thought maybe I was beeing a bit harsh by not beleiving him... a whole forums opinions are better than one Thanks for the replys all I will definately reconsider him. The last time I caught 9 inch nails on his site he told me a friend of his was in a band and it was his song.
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06-12-2005, 02:51 PM #6Junior Guru
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If this is not the first time you have caught him with MP3's . I would cancel his account. well thats me personally. I personally would hate to have the RIAA knocking down my door because I had illegal mp3's on my server.
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06-12-2005, 02:57 PM #7ThirtySx Bits Forever!
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If he claims he has permission - have him mail you a legal affadavit (ie one notarized or otherwise certified) attesting to the fact. Then if they are illegal you're in the clear and the problem is all his.
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06-12-2005, 02:58 PM #8Retired Moderator
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I personally would hate to have the RIAA knocking down my door because I had illegal mp3's on my server.
to the OP:
Yeah I would be cancelling his account 100% if it was not the first offense. When it comes down to illegal information (of any kind mp3 or otherwise) being on a public hosting server... delete first ask questions later. Just how that is, because if the MPAA or some other copyright enforcement agency comes after you well, they are going to have the exact same mentality about your company. I am all about giving people a chance but well as you said this isn't the first time either.0
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06-12-2005, 04:58 PM #9Junior Guru Wannabe
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I only have one word to say about this:
KILL.0
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06-12-2005, 06:40 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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I would terminate this user's account immediately if I was you
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I only have one word to say about this:
KILL.0
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06-12-2005, 07:19 PM #11Newbie
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Even if Metallica says they don't mind that their songs are distributed for free over the internet, the record companies won't be so happy about it. I would suspend the user before you get legal issues, or before the bandwidth bill explodes.
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06-12-2005, 07:58 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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I would suspend the account not terminate and offer a backup of there site if they would like it.
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06-12-2005, 08:00 PM #13Junior Guru
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I do agree with Duport, beside that i would unsuspend the account later if the costumer decide to take the mp3 out of the server.
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06-12-2005, 08:10 PM #14Newbie
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Well he may have had "permission" per say, as Metallica would tell their fans to share their music in their early years. If those were actually from 1989, then he is only particially correct. As Metallica was THE band that started all the legal battles over P2P music file trading. I would bet that they no longer wish ANY of their work to be traded. No matter what they said in the past.
Needless to say I agree that you should suspend the account and make sure the files are deleted.0
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06-12-2005, 08:11 PM #15WHT Addict
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Originally posted by Spaceh
I do agree with Duport, beside that i would unsuspend the account later if the costumer decide to take the mp3 out of the server.High Quality Low Cost Hosting For all of your hosting needs. Windows and Linux Dedicated, VPS And Shared!
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06-12-2005, 08:13 PM #16Junior Guru
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I would give him a last chance not a 3rd chance
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06-12-2005, 08:38 PM #17Cloud Puppet Master
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defo remove his account...
i had a customer with simpsons episodes, and he said that he had permission, this was after i deleted the account.
It really isnt worth the risk having the material on your server, as you are held 100% liable for all content.0
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06-12-2005, 11:36 PM #18Invented the Internet
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Suspend his account and tell him that you'll unsuspend it when he mails your attorney a legal document stating that he has permission. That should shut him up.
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06-12-2005, 11:41 PM #19WHT Addict
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Ive already done that... I did however attempt to contact metallica (or whoever answers their mail) and ask them what they think of it... it is their music afterall but after the first warning this is the end of his account if I cant get something showing it is ok for him to distribute these.
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06-13-2005, 06:10 AM #20Disabled
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Originally posted by hoststylez
Im almost positive that Metallica would give no one permission to share their songs unless they were making money off it.0
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06-13-2005, 07:06 AM #21Disabled
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Metallica Bootlegs/2-3-89 Erwin Events Center, Austin, TX/met890203d1_01_Blackened.mp3
Metallica Bootlegs/2-3-89 Erwin Events Center, Austin, TX/met890203d1_02_For_Whom_the_Bell_Tolls.mp3
/Metallica Bootlegs/2-3-89 Erwin Events Center, Austin, TX/met890203d1_03_Welcome_Home_Sanitarium.mp3
Check out his access logs, he's probably recieving alot of traffic from warez sites.
Also, i believe you should learn something about business, and law before starting a hosting company. According to whois records, you only started in april. Which is pretty funny, because you just registered here at wht around that time.0
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06-13-2005, 07:45 AM #22Junior Guru Wannabe
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If you are located in america it is illegal
If you are in the netherlands.. it is legal THOUGH
the state secretary has noted that it doesnt have its preference.
The person providing it is committing illegal actions. The person actually hosting is isnt in anyway. However i would let all my users sign a declaration of you being their host and are not suable for actions such as these.0
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06-13-2005, 08:45 AM #23New Member
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Actually, you can pay to download the audio tracks to the concerts they have performed, AND share them. We went to a Metallica concert a few months back, and were told to go to their website to pay and download a copy of that perticular concert. We did this, and on the website it specifically said you could distribute copies to friends. I remember thinking this was extremely odd, as they were to first group to sue for online trading of their music. I am telling you the truth when I say that it was legal to trade their live concerts.
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06-13-2005, 10:19 AM #24WHT Addict
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Originally posted by mikeylove
if metallica gave him permission, he wouldn't be calling them "bootlegs".
Check out his access logs, he's probably recieving alot of traffic from warez sites.
Also, i believe you should learn something about business, and law before starting a hosting company. According to whois records, you only started in april. Which is pretty funny, because you just registered here at wht around that time.High Quality Low Cost Hosting For all of your hosting needs. Windows and Linux Dedicated, VPS And Shared!
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06-13-2005, 10:37 AM #25Big fan of RajiniKanth!!!
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Originally posted by jschurawlow
The above songs are on your server correct? If so I would advise disabling them from being downloaded immediately. Fact is whether he ever even spoke to them or not (about a .0000000000001% chance he did) is still irrelevant as he'd need a patent in order to be legally allowed to share any copyrighted works of anyone else, unless they are his own. So, no what he said would not hold up in court.
1. by removing it immediately, you might loose your client.
2. It makes your client happy that he has agreed to his terms.
so decide an move.0