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06-02-2005, 09:39 AM #1Web Hosting Master
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I cant get DSL could this be true?
I ordered DSL last month, the order went through, then I get a letter saying there are to many "loops" in my phone line.
So I can't get it now. has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
the house next me has DSL but I cant. makes no sence.
I guess I will be staying with cable.
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06-02-2005, 10:12 AM #2Web Hosting Master
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Yes, it makes sense. You can try complaining until they agree to send a tech out to physically check, otherwise, until they update that, you're not eligable for DSL.
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06-02-2005, 10:15 AM #3Web Hosting Master
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Can't you call your phone company and ask them to install a "loop" or whatever the heck it is. If your neighbor has it that sounds like complete bologna to me if you can't have it as well.
Just call and tell them to install it.
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06-02-2005, 10:15 AM #4Web Hosting Master
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Depends which company are we talking about..
When I ordered Covad, they took a month and they said there were still problems at the line... Then I cancelled it and ordered version, in a weeek it was installed..
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06-02-2005, 10:21 AM #5Retired Moderator
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Re: I cant get DSL could this be true?
Originally posted by doot
I ordered DSL last month, the order went through, then I get a letter saying there are to many "loops" in my phone line.
So I can't get it now. has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
the house next me has DSL but I cant. makes no sence.
I guess I will be staying with cable.
This has worked 99x out of 100 for us.
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06-02-2005, 10:50 AM #6Web Hosting Master
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A lot factors can be at play when a line doesn't qualify. A person may be on an SLC, or other multiplexing system. They could also have a line with quite a few bridge taps installed.
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06-02-2005, 05:17 PM #7Web Hosting Master
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The Phone company is Verizon. I live in a large community
the house's are older most were built in the 70's some even older.
However that shouldnt have anything to due with the lines.
unless they are in a big mess or something.
every time I ask for a manager I get the runaround
Although other people here have dsl.
Must just be something with my individual line.
Atlantic Broad Band is $30 monthly + moden rental of $4.95
their connection speed is 160kb not very fast.
Verizon is 3.0 MB for something like $29.95
and they give a free router.
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06-02-2005, 05:24 PM #8WHT Addict
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Buy an expensive powerful wireless router for the guy next door, you know, as a gift. Install it for him, as a gift also. Problem solved!
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06-02-2005, 05:29 PM #9Retired Moderator
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I'll second Sirius' opinion; we've had a similar experience.
Or, if you go the Covad route, they might actually fix the "loop" problem on your existing line. We had a customer with DSL that was just outside the qualified specs.....until the technican mounted the telephone pole and literally rewired around a "loop" whereby the cable went needlessly down the street 4 blocks and back. After that they were able to get DSL. Slow DSL, but a victory is a victoryIf you have to operate your company behind the scenes or under a fake name, maybe it's time to leave the industry and start something fresh.
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06-02-2005, 05:31 PM #10Web Hosting Master
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thats OK, DSL sucks anyway ;-)
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06-02-2005, 05:36 PM #11Home Theater Enthusiast
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Sounds like a problem that (dun dun duran) cable can fix
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06-02-2005, 05:37 PM #12Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by NickRac
thats OK, DSL sucks anyway ;-)
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06-02-2005, 05:39 PM #13Web Hosting Master
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Cable is better anyways
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06-02-2005, 05:48 PM #14Web Hosting Evangelist
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FIOS is better anyways
just adding another stupid comment
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06-02-2005, 05:54 PM #15Web Hosting Master
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I dont know much about either service I just want a faster
connection speed for the money.
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06-02-2005, 06:16 PM #16Home Theater Enthusiast
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I know, get Dial up! HEHE took 1 for the stupid comment team
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06-02-2005, 06:24 PM #17Disabled
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I'm eating pizza.
Just another stupid comment.
Seriously though, Sirius is correct
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06-02-2005, 06:27 PM #18Home Theater Enthusiast
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06-02-2005, 07:09 PM #19Need Moar KAWFEE
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Speaking as someone that IS an expert on DSL provisioning.... it doesn't matter if your neighbor has DSL and you can't get it.
As was stated, each loop adds additional distance from the CO (Central Office) where your service comes from.
The priority order for high speed lines is as follows:
Fiber
ATM and Frame Relays
T3
T2
T1
DSL
Normal phone lines.
Any time you have a loop (or jump as we referred to), that's "hopping" over a higher priority service line. Each loop adds to the total length of the distance from your DSL service to the CO.
It's not uncommon for someone on the first and second floor to be able to get DSL and their neighbor (to the side or upstairs) to not get it. It's happened to me a few times, where I have pre-qualified them, only to find out that the loops add another 3,000 feet, or that there are too many loops to provide reliable service to them.
The distance from a service point to the CO/CLEC over the last year or three has been increased from 16,185 feet to around 23,000 feet as technology and upgrades have gotten better. Each loop can add anywhere from 15 feet to over 1300 feet to the total length, because you have to bypass the normal route of service. So if you've got even 10 loops, averaging 500 feet each, that's an additional distance of 5000 feet. If you're already at 17000 feet from the CO, that comes to 22000 feet away, in terms of the service line. At that point, you'd have to deal with the potential for latency and service degredation.
Verizon DOES have the ability to take SOME loops out, it's a matter of if they can restructure the existing lines without interrupting service for the other customers and high priority lines.
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06-02-2005, 09:01 PM #20Web Hosting Master
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06-02-2005, 09:51 PM #21Web Hosting Master
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thank you, great explanation!
Originally posted by The Bear
Speaking as someone that IS an expert on DSL provisioning.... it doesn't matter if your neighbor has DSL and you can't get it.
As was stated, each loop adds additional distance from the CO (Central Office) where your service comes from.
The priority order for high speed lines is as follows:
Fiber
ATM and Frame Relays
T3
T2
T1
DSL
Normal phone lines.
Any time you have a loop (or jump as we referred to), that's "hopping" over a higher priority service line. Each loop adds to the total length of the distance from your DSL service to the CO.
It's not uncommon for someone on the first and second floor to be able to get DSL and their neighbor (to the side or upstairs) to not get it. It's happened to me a few times, where I have pre-qualified them, only to find out that the loops add another 3,000 feet, or that there are too many loops to provide reliable service to them.
The distance from a service point to the CO/CLEC over the last year or three has been increased from 16,185 feet to around 23,000 feet as technology and upgrades have gotten better. Each loop can add anywhere from 15 feet to over 1300 feet to the total length, because you have to bypass the normal route of service. So if you've got even 10 loops, averaging 500 feet each, that's an additional distance of 5000 feet. If you're already at 17000 feet from the CO, that comes to 22000 feet away, in terms of the service line. At that point, you'd have to deal with the potential for latency and service degredation.
Verizon DOES have the ability to take SOME loops out, it's a matter of if they can restructure the existing lines without interrupting service for the other customers and high priority lines.
Hope this helps explain things a bit more
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06-02-2005, 10:29 PM #22WHT Addict
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Originally posted by Marklittle
Buy an expensive powerful wireless router for the guy next door, you know, as a gift. Install it for him, as a gift also. Problem solved!remy
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06-02-2005, 11:30 PM #23Home Theater Enthusiast
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The Bear, nice explaination
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