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    * Vistapages using nulled livechat?

    I found something interesting, everyone should check this out:
    vistapages.com/livechat/PHPLive.v2.8_php_nulled_wst.nfo
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    What does everyone else think about a new host using stolen software?

    Do you think this is generally accepted in the webhosting industry, or any industry for that matter?
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    Is it the hosts or the web designers?
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    Interesting, we had some problems with vistapages just recently.

    It looks like they stole our new account welcome e-mail format and forgot to remove a few of our e-mail address links so we had their clients contacting us requesting help/refunds all of the time.

    I guess this doesn't surprise me either.
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    Originally posted by HP-David
    Interesting, we had some problems with vistapages just recently.

    It looks like they stole our new account welcome e-mail format and forgot to remove a few of our e-mail address links so we had their clients contacting us requesting help/refunds all of the time.

    I guess this doesn't surprise me either.
    Their design looks similar to yours too
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    Even if they use the "we hired a webmaster" excuse I still wouldn't buy into it. Companies still have an obligation to verify they're using legal software, regardless of who they hired to set it up. In this case a simple printed invoice from the original software maker would be sufficient.

    MIND Justin how'd you figure this out exactly?

    WN-Ali no kidding, wow. But I guess it looks more "inspired by" since the HTML and CSS style sheets are quite different.
    If you have to operate your company behind the scenes or under a fake name, maybe it's time to leave the industry and start something fresh.
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    I'm an accedential hacker, I found out things that should be found out by messing around (+ I'm good with search engines)
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    I am notifying EV1 Servers abuse now.
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    Well, I spoke with Vista first and their manager is awaiting an e-mail from me. So I will see type of bull I get first.
    Make sure you take screenshots of that page.
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    Well, he had someone else install it and no longer speaks to him haha
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    We were unaware of this pirated software installation on our servers. We pay for our licenses with any software that we use, cPanel, SiteStudio, etc. Our system admins are removing this from our servers and also will be re-activating with PHPLive. Should be removed by the time I am finished writing this.
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    Nice find
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    VP-Kaumil,

    Are you going to be paying them for all of the six months that you've stolen from them?

    That would be the honest thing to do...
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    If they request it, sure, I see why not, by the way I am Sandip not Kaumil. Thanks.
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    Originally posted by VP-Sandip
    If they request it, sure, I see why not, by the way I am Sandip not Kaumil. Thanks.
    Are you not related to Kaumil?
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    VP-Kaumil,

    Ah - I had kept watch on your forums and noticed VP-Sandip was renamed to VP-Kaumil, I assumed you were going to do the same here on WebHostingTalk just to update everyone.
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    Kaumil is part of the VistaPages team. I also have not used the VistaPages forum. So you telling me that we switched usernames is absurd

    Thanks.
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    Did you expect a host who offers 5000mb web space and 110gb transfer for $4.95 a month to be honest?
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    Would you expect somebody that claims to be the best hosting in canada to be the best hosting in canada?

    Be careful with your sterotypes.
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    Oh my, that is hillarious.
    The reason I ask if Sandip and that K name are related is because they have the same last name.
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    This issue is been resolved with the involved parties. VistaPages does not participate in piracy, and every effort was made to remove illegitimate software. -- It has already been removed within minutes of it being brought to our attention, and are in the process of speaking with PHPLive.

    Yes, Kaumil and I are related. But that has nothing to do with anything. I never knew it was a crime to go into business with family.

    Thank you.
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    VP-Kaumil,

    Have OSI Codes been paid?
    If not I personally don't see the issue as resolved.

    Hopefully you watch your server software (kernels and whatnot) better than you keep an eye open on your own "purchased" software!
    David
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    Do you oversell?
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    actually on another note, what is the definition of overselling LBX?
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    Oh my, why when I go to Hosting Plex do I almost see an exact duplicate of Vista Pages??
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    LBX,

    Hosting Company Name: Hostingplex
    ICANN Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
    Creation Date: Mar 17 2002
    Expiry Date: Mar 17 2006

    Hosting Company Name: Vistapages
    ICANN Registrar: BULKREGISTER, LLC.
    Creation Date: Jan 18 2005
    Expiry Date: Jan 18 2006

    There certainly was no copying on our behalf.
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    HostingPlex, uniqure or tempate?
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    In regards to overselling. hostingplex does not oversell.
    That is, of course, under your definition of that the word "overselling" means. I believe I remember correctly that you have stated in the past that the members (or most members) of this forum do not know the correct meaning of overselling, or that we don't understand the word the way you do... Or something to that effect.
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    Well, would have to say you remembered wrong lol. Overselling as in selling more than you have.
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    LBX,

    I personally don't see the correlation between the two - although Vistapages certainly has common elements (including welcoming e-mail, account activation e-mail, etc., (which also somehow included our [email protected] e-mail address)) but I personally think our design is ugly.

    Why would anyone copy it?
    Our current particular design has always been changing.
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    Look harder. I will almost guarantee it. Copyright at the bottom - EXACT same format. Pages EXACT same format - particularly the TOS page. Gees
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    Dan,

    I would honestly just like to hear what overselling means to you, because by the definition set forth at WHT, there is not a single company I can think of that is not overselling. There is not a single business or utility I can think of that is not overselling.

    If they are not "overselling" their prices are not affordable, and the tier above them is overselling anyway.
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    Kevin,

    Are you saying that you think all companies oversell?
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    it truely depends on the meaning of overselling. I am going to need some detail, including some examples with supporting information as to what overselling is to you.
    Kevin
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    because by the definition set forth at WHT, there is not a single company I can think of that is not overselling. There is not a single business or utility I can think of that is not overselling.
    Oh, but that's what I've been saying all along Kevin. There are only different degrees of overselling, some easily manageable, some not so easy to manage.
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    Originally posted by WN-Ali
    Their design looks similar to yours too

    It does look like they took the whole design and just changed a few things to it and added some other things to it. I mean is it that hard to come up with a design without ripping it?
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    My thoughts on overselling would be this:

    Servers has 100 gig HDD
    Host puts 200 people per server (normally this is low end)
    Host offers to give 5000 megs of space for each customer.

    5gigs X 200 is way more than 100 gigs on that HDD. That is over selling.

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    Same situation on Bandwidth. Only a certain amount of traffic can pass through a 100meg pipe if a host is giving away hundreds of gigs per month per 200+ customers I cannot see how if all customers pushed the max BW that the host could handle it. This would be overselling?

    Maybe I am wrong??

    A host can make a nice profit and not have to oversell

    Robert
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    Originally posted by LBX
    Well, he had someone else install it and no longer speaks to him haha
    Maybe this same 'someone else' who installed PHPLive chat copied the web site and emails for him?
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    Kevin just wondering what you consider overselling and what you do not consider overselling?
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    Torith,


    To me, in this industry, I consider overselling the lack of scalability.
    I have been fighting this since 2002, and I am still here, meeting my customers needs.

    There are, however other companies offering identical service as me, but their overhead consists of a 99$ server, many may not even be paying for their software licenses it would seem.

    Its not fair to tag everybody with an great offering as an evil overseller, more information should be considered other than their front page.
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