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    Yahoo sued for Child Porn Group

    They are on a bad streak here, I read in another thread a woman sueing over nude photos of her...

    Now I just heard on Fox News about a child porn ring using yahoo groups to distribute kiddy porn... One of the victims and his parents are sueing both yahoo and Mark Bates, the creator of what was known as the Candyman Group.

    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=8477528

    The single case of the grown woman I had little sympathy for, but every single one of those images they allow to be displayed of children being molested is evidence of a horrible crime, Yahoo should be held responsible if they were notified and did nothing.

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    Not surprising. Yahoo's Abuse department is even skimpier than their Customer Service.

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    Re: Yahoo sued for Child Porn Group

    Originally posted by Take-IT-EZZI
    Yahoo should be held responsible if they were notified and did nothing.
    If you mean "raked over the coals and gutted like a sacrificial lamb" when you say "held responsible" then I agree wholeheartedly!

    I have absolutely no patience of any type for kiddie porn, I called the FBI and spoke with a field agent about a site being hosted by a NC (or was it SC) based ISP, I reported the site to Interland (who owned the IP block) and after 24 hours with no response I called the FBI, Interland finally replied and said they were taking the site offline, the little ISP that "subleased" the IPs never responsded to my emails, but the field agent took all their contact info from me and he spoke as if he were VERY likely to go after the case, since the physical site led to the Carolina ISP and not some foreign body, he was based in the same city as the ISP, which is why I called his office.
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    I highly doubt Yahoo would take such a risk as being notified of such and not taking any action. Seems like an awfully big liability to just ignore and let slip through the cracks...
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    It's probably quite hard to keep a tab on every new group created, if they were notified it probably went to some young employee on $5/hour, bored at of his brain.

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    Originally posted by talkfreelance
    It's probably quite hard to keep a tab on every new group created, if they were notified it probably went to some young employee on $5/hour, bored at of his brain.
    There's no excuse for ignoring reports of your service being used to peddle child porn, period, end of discussion. If you don't have enough staff to be able to field all the abuse problems you get, then hire more staff, or quit offering whatever service it is you can't afford to hire staff to manage, it's not rocket science.
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    While I know [email protected] is probably plagued with emails. Things like "YOU HOST KIDDY PORN" stick out in your inbox. EZZI has so many emails per day in their abuse box its hard to keep up wih but we know something is serious when we see many different people complaining about the same IP. They can monitor things better than they do if these images are being distributed so much that the victim finds out he's on the site.

    You skip spam complaints? OK you're busy...
    You don't care if someones email got hacked? OK, You're busy...

    Kids get raped and the movie ends up on your site, you better f'in do something because you are hosting evidence and motive for the most horrible crime known to man. If I found out someone was knowingly hosting child porn on our network I wouldn't even pull their plug, I'd call the feds and turn them in.

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    Originally posted by Dixiesys
    There's no excuse for ignoring reports of your service being used to peddle child porn, period, end of discussion. If you don't have enough staff to be able to field all the abuse problems you get, then hire more staff, or quit offering whatever service it is you can't afford to hire staff to manage, it's not rocket science.
    I couldn't say it better.

    Don't tell me yahoo can't afford to hire a full time abuse team, and if they can't then they need to get off the net. Being an ISP is a big responsibility and anyone who can't handle it needs to get out of the business!

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    Re: Yahoo sued for Child Porn Group

    Originally posted by Take-IT-EZZI


    The single case of the grown woman I had little sympathy for,
    Just out of curiosity why do you have no sympathy for the lady? From what i read she is an innocent party and the photo's are a cynical way of causing maximum embarrasment to her. You would be suprised at the amount of people that have some 'artistic' photo's of their partners for private pleasure and it does no harm what so ever until one decides to publish them publicly..

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    Re: Re: Yahoo sued for Child Porn Group

    Originally posted by phill2003
    Just out of curiosity why do you have no sympathy for the lady? From what i read she is an innocent party and the photo's are a cynical way of causing maximum embarrasment to her. You would be suprised at the amount of people that have some 'artistic' photo's of their partners for private pleasure and it does no harm what so ever until one decides to publish them publicly..
    Because you can't expect Yahoo to inspect every profile, and whats to tell them she isn't lying. All it is is nude photos of a grown woman in a profile, you can't expect them to take action on every little thing that happens.

    Child porn on the other hand is a bit easier to identify, if you are 10 years old with a 40 year old naked man touching you on camera, something is most definitely wrong, its not a matter of consent or identity, its evidence of a crime as soon as you see it.

    The two are not even comparable. The situation of the grown woman was one between her and her boyfriend, he simply exploited yahoo to extract some sort of revenge on her. Letting people look at a grown woman who allowed herself to be photographed is DRASTICALLY different from raping a child then sharing it with other rapists on the internet. If he raped the woman then put the video online I'd have come down on him just as hard, but he didn't. The only thing he didn't have consent for was distributing the images. If he didn't have consent to take them, then this would also be a crime.

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    Probably a harbinger of things to come in terms of companies being liable for stuff on their network that they do not patrol more aggressively.
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    It's not even a matter of patrolling so much as acting on complaints.

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    Originally posted by blue27
    It's not even a matter of patrolling so much as acting on complaints.
    Exactly, I don't patrol content at all on my servers, but you let someone bring something to my attention and I'll act on it, the action may be to tell the person complaining that there will BE no action but I'll act.

    So far I haven't encountered anyone using my servers for kiddie porn and that's good I hoe I never do, we've had our fair share of warez and pirated music and other IP and copyright infringement and we've handled it quickly.
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    The article doesn't state Yahoo had been notified. Just that the attorney believed they knew about it.

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    I think they are just trying to extract this $$$..... They were involved with this group,then decided to turn it into a civil case.......I dunno....What is it with people and $$$ these days?????

    This type of thing SHOULD NOT BE DONE!!!! But for someone like this kid and mother who WERE INVOLVED and turned the tables on Yahoo just to extract $$$ is wrong!!!!!!! They are just as responsible as the other members in this group,IMO!!!




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    In the case of the child porn, I wonder about the civil suit. Plan A should have been to report it to the FBI. I would expect a strong crackdown from there.
    I think the woman with the civil suit might have more reason to use a civil suit to get correction. The FBI is not likely to get involved, and Yahoo is likely to be unresponsive to anything less than a summons.

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    The site attracted thousands of users and was in operation for two months before Yahoo closed it down in February 2001.
    Yahoo obviously knew about it, they shut it down, duh. Now the question is, how long did it take to go from notification to shutdown?

    A child pornography investigation led by the FBI and dubbed Operation Candyman targeted Yahoo Groups users and resulted in the arrest of more than 100 people in the United States.
    It's also very likely the FBI asked Yahoo not to shut it down while they tracked down as many members as they could in order to arrest them.

    If yahoo knew and didn't act I hope they get slammed, if yahoo was acting at the FBI's behest then obviously they shouldn't be held accountable for doing what was asked (if they were asked) by the FBI.
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    Originally posted by The Dude
    I think they are just trying to extract this $$$..... They were involved with this group,then decided to turn it into a civil case.......I dunno....What is it with people and $$$ these days?????

    This type of thing SHOULD NOT BE DONE!!!! But for someone like this kid and mother who WERE INVOLVED and turned the tables on Yahoo just to extract $$$ is wrong!!!!!!! They are just as responsible as the other members in this group,IMO!!!



    Who even said they were part of the group?

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    If Yahoo really was never notiied then of course I don't see how they could be held responsible. But there are several organizations out there dedicated to tracking and shutting down child pornography sites, and on a forum so public as yahoo one would find it hard to beleive nobody ever noticed this and said something.

    And of course, if they were working under orders from the FBI or other law enforcement/child protection agency, they should not only be free from liability, but commended for their efforts.

    But if they ignored this... They need to be nailed to the wall.

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    I got spam for a kiddie porn site recently. Checked the IP and saw it was being hosted by yahoo so I fired off a complaint. Their reply was that they couldn't do anything because the email I forwarded didn't have headers. So I wrote back that the email had nothing to do with the reason I was writing and to check the IP. I clearly explained that in the first email, but they don't seem to read very carefully. Next time I checked, the site was gone.

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    Originally posted by adam
    Who even said they were part of the group?
    Maybe i misunderstoof the article.......Sorry for any inconveinence!!

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    Originally posted by Virago
    I got spam for a kiddie porn site recently. Checked the IP and saw it was being hosted by yahoo so I fired off a complaint. Their reply was that they couldn't do anything because the email I forwarded didn't have headers. So I wrote back that the email had nothing to do with the reason I was writing and to check the IP. I clearly explained that in the first email, but they don't seem to read very carefully. Next time I checked, the site was gone.
    Well, at least we know they learned their lesson

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