Originally posted by BlueWave Unless you have over 10 licenses then you are going to have to go with a reseller to get competitive pricing ($50). Or better yet, use DirectAdmin
.... and even if you get "Partner NOC" status from cPanel, then your still not going to be paying much less (I won't say how much less though).
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Cpanel licensing is unreasonably fragmented between the small/moderate sized hosts, and the "big boys".
CPanel Inc. simply ignores the fact that if you're selling the same product, for roughly 3x what the big boys pay, its next to impossible to sell 175+ licenses (required to hit the first discount level), unless you're blatently selling at a loss (in which case, why carry the product?).
If someones selling external licenses for $10/mo cheaper then partner NOC's of a decent quantity (~50 licenses) can get their licenses, then why should anyone remain a partner NOC (as opposed to buying from comodo), at least until they hit 175+ licenses (and the same price).
Comodo no longer sells CPanel since their acquisition of Hsphere. But for a while, it's possible to get External licenses at 29.95. It's a loophole for a while. i.e. you can buy the Trustix bundle with Cpanel for 29.95/month. But there's no requirement for you to use Trustix or at least there's no real enforcement of it.
Originally posted by sprintserve Comodo no longer sells CPanel since their acquisition of Hsphere. But for a while, it's possible to get External licenses at 29.95. It's a loophole for a while. i.e. you can buy the Trustix bundle with Cpanel for 29.95/month. But there's no requirement for you to use Trustix or at least there's no real enforcement of it.
But they no longer do so.
They start supporting cPanel as soon cPanel starts supporting Trustix 2.2. And you can get licences for $25 if you have there 10 or more licences
Yeah, you can buy a one year license for $450, but if you want to pay per month, many distributors are going to charge around $50.
Comodo has good prices, but their support wasn't very good. When we wanted to change the IP address of a license, we tried to e-mail and call them for several weeks with no luck. We finally had to e-mail their billing department and ask for a refund, which took another few weeks. Caveat emptor.
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Very sad to hear that you head problems with comodo!
From my point of view comodo is now one of most responsible companies out there who offer verity of different services with a great price, and you cant go wrong with that. From my personal experiences I never had any problems with they support or sales team they are working almost on demand. I hope you find some one who solve your problem after wild.
Originally posted by The Broadband Man We get it externally for around 35 internally at 20 ... i thought that was normal ...
On another note - does cpanel check who you're licensing?
Yes, they do to an extent.
We pay $35/license for ~50 licenses, and the price hasn't changed in some time (was $42.50 prior to that price for internal). You need 175 licenses to hit the $25/mo license level (or is it 150 now? They may have reduced that bit). CPanel also used to have sales fairly regularly, where licenses went as far as 50% off, they stopped that alltogether about a year ago (give or take).
Needless to say, the current CPanel pricing scheme isn't terribly considerate for the small/mid sized operators. While I know this probably means little, if we were paying $25/mo per license, I can guarantee we would have had more customers go the CPanel route, heck, we'd have more customers no less (as many people *expect* it for $25/mo, I refuse to sell a third party application at a recurring loss, its just not good business.
Originally posted by porcupine Needless to say, the current CPanel pricing scheme isn't terribly considerate for the small/mid sized operators. While I know this probably means little, if we were paying $25/mo per license, I can guarantee we would have had more customers go the CPanel route, heck, we'd have more customers no less (as many people *expect* it for $25/mo, I refuse to sell a third party application at a recurring loss, its just not good business.
Yes I agree totally. However Cpanel has been pushed into a corner in a few ways:
1. The big guys will want even lower prices if everyone is paying $25. Imagine as a big NOC, if you know all your competitors are paying $25, I will go back to Cpanel and say based on my 1000 licenses, how come we are paying the same rate (or just slightly lower) and would probably demand a lower prices. Pricing in the marketplace is very transparent. (Remeber the $10 price wars started by Burst?) So in a way, Cpanel has to protect their pricing tier. They learn over time.
2. It is actually quite impossible to determine whether it's an internal or external license. So the pricing is set at a way that lower their risk of every single host claiming they are their own DC/NOC etc and just simply paying the much lower internal rate.
That said, I think their whole pricing tiers and structure is overly complex. They should just price regardless where it is used and that will actually help them in creating a marketplace that's friendly to the small guys and startups. They are trying to create a price differentiation out of a situation where there's zero differentiation in the end product.
On top of that, Cpanel established themselves so well that they know clients demanded it most of the time. So it's a pretty much take it or leave it attitude. Currently we are lucky in the sense most of our DCs that we use (save 2) have internal licenses that we hop on to. So once we hit a nice level of volume, we can then consider switching it totally to our own licenses. We currently run about 50 licenses as well.
The problem I have isn't with CPanels pricing tiers, I understand when you commit to a gigabit of traffic, you'll be paying less then half the price per megabit that someone at the 100mbps level does typically speaking for example.
My problem is the entire lack of price breaks, and the distance between the two tiers. $35/mo per license up to 175 licenses, then $25/mo per license is a fairly sizable gap (when you consider many competetors are packaging that in a $100/mo ballpark server). The pricing tiers in my opinion should have more breaks (as 175 servers is a lot, especially when you consider *maybe* 25% of your customers will actually want to use CPanel, as opposed to no panel, or a competing panel).
When you consider many of the "big boys" sell CPanel near their cost (I'm guestimating at around $10-15/mo per license), it makes it hard for any competing hosts to sell the product whatsoever. CPanel should be taking into account, that while the "big boys" are nice to have, the "small guys" are still generating over 3 times the revenue per panel license sold as each of the big boys clients, which should count for something, and is a very sizable gap.
Originally posted by sprintserve I guess they prefer to generate 4-5 times the revenue per license
If they adjusted their pricing tiers, they could overall be making substantially more profit.
The cost of CPanel licenses is often what kills sales in the "value" and "semi-value" markets. What happens? Well either the customer drops the panel solution (goes vanilla), uses another panel, or goes to a provider who can sell them cheap (eg. $10/mo) CPanel licenses.
Given this, instead of making the $35.00/license sale, CPanel now only makes $10.00/license. I'm sure its reasonably obvious this happens a LOT.
Overall, while it may not be directly obvious to the curious bystander, CPanel's pricing scheme doesen't really benefit them as much as it could. Evening out the pricing tiers, or creating more steps would likely lead to larger overall profits for CPanel Inc.
In the world of economics, it's down to how price sensitive the demand is to price changes (remember those two lines with an intersection marked with DD and SS : ) ). Personally I think the demand is less sensitive than you think. However without a real research, it's anybody's guess.
Cpanel did run their sales before. I suspect on those sales, they found that their total revenues actually drop (with little burst to the sales volumes). Hence them not running it anymore. Just a little guesswork.
1) If you're selling CPanel servers ... you can have it as a $25/month addon ... just make the server itself cost more (sucks for your non CP customers)
2) Is it possible to say ... "work with" another provider and merge your commits with cpanel?
3) How does cpanel have any "cost" ... or at least any rigid "cost" ... all they do is maintain the software and let's say they have 5 developers doing so ... their cost is limited to say 500k a year. As the customer base increases the price per license should increase as they are still maintaining 1 basic product. It's simple economics. Demand increases supply should increase to meet demand but the cost of production goes down
I rather price the server as is, and charge more for the Cpanel. That's fairer.
Cpanel does not allow "merging" of commits as it defeats their volume game for the price tiers.
In economics, it depends on the elasticity of the demand. In this case, if demand is inelastic, (steep gradient), for a price drop, the quanty increase demanded do not increase enough to cover the income lost from the price drop. That could very well be the case here since Cpanel is such an established leader with the end users demanding it. So while cost does not change if they drop price, their total revenues may
I just took my econ final this morning ... Sprintserve, you shoulda helped me study lol ... damn monopolistic competition etc is getting sooooo annoying
Anyway, if demand is inelastic then people will demand the same amount no matter what the price ... i think you mean demand is relatively inelastic -
However, it is obvious that if they dropped price then demand will increase. This to me is more an instance of a monopoly producer who produce at a quantity below the demanded quantity so that they can maximize profits.