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    * American Media misleading and decieving the public yet again

    Newsweek is responsible for many deaths and injuries

    Keep on believing the crap you read. This is almost as good as Dan Rather getting caught lying.

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    actually the information provided was unreliable source in which should of been checked out further like most true journalist would do. I hope Newsweek is happy with the deaths resulted from the story.
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    American media misleading the country and the world!? How could that be!?

    It happens everyday, no supprise, newsweek most likely hurried on the story to boost their popularity / ratings / whatnot.
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    Originally posted by afa340a
    Posts like these only divide our community.
    That's kind of funny. About 25% of the new threads in this Lounge do that.

    I know this thread is going to degenerate but before it does, I just want to register that this goes far beyond the "media is biased" issue. People have died as a result of this allegation. If it was reported with very thin or virtually no corroboration then it is despicable journalism.
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    Re: American Media misleading and decieving the public yet again

    Originally posted by The Dude
    Newsweek is responsible for many deaths and injuries

    Keep on believing the crap you read. This is almost as good as Dan Rather getting caught lying.
    Oh, but the reporter's intentions were good and for a "noble cause".
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    So will these Islamic fanatics apologise for their rioting and killing, now that the article has no substance?

    I find it impossible to comprehend the mindset and fantatasim of the Islam religion.
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    Originally posted by DevilDog
    . . . I just want to register that this goes far beyond the "media is biased" issue. People have died as a result of this allegation. If it was reported with very thin or virtually no corroboration then it is despicable journalism.
    Very well said!
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    Originally posted by Aussie Bob
    So will these Islamic fanatics apologise for their rioting and killing, now that the article has no substance?

    I find it impossible to comprehend the mindset and fantatasim of the Islam religion.
    umm.... I think that you are asking the wrong side to apologize.. no?

    Why would you call them fanatics , just because they made a riot because their religion got dissed at?

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    Would christians go on a killing rampage if they learned that the bible was treated in this manner?

    I think not!
    They would have been pissed, but not gone on a killing spree.
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    Originally posted by azizny
    umm.... I think that you are asking the wrong side to apologize.. no?

    These barbaric rioters acted on false information. They murdered and killed innocent people on the basis of someone reporting that someone mistreated a religious book in a US detention facility.

    Even if the report was true, is this acceptable behaviour for Muslims?
    Why would you call them fanatics , just because they made a riot because their religion got dissed at?
    It's not an excuse for a barbaric murderous rampage, at least not in the civilised world.
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    Originally posted by azizny
    just because they made a riot because their religion got dissed at?

    Peace,

    Would this not be the very epitomy of a fanatic?
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    Originally posted by ilyash
    Would christians go on a killing rampage if they learned that the bible was treated in this manner?

    I think not!
    They would have been pissed, but not gone on a killing spree.
    But christianity have been blending in with the society its in for many countries..

    For Muslims its a different point of perspective when it comes to religion. Muslims are willing to get killed for their religion (if you ask any Muslim, maybe 90% will say yes). But Chrisitans are not that religously stricit to their religion in that way (maybe not after the middle ages).

    I mean there are Muslims that commit adultery, gamble and drink just like Chrisitans, but alot of Muslims dont.

    Its just Muslims will not tolerate their religion being played with like Chrisitans might.

    For example, my American Chrisitan friend simply wont go help fight and get killed for his fellow African Chrisitans (crusader), maybe not in the numbers Muslims are committed to.

    In Islam the Unity differes than in that in Chrisitanity, in a way similar to Judiasm.

    Maybe you guys think its ok for someone to say bad things to your religion...If not, tell me what were they to do?

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    Originally posted by azizny
    . . . Maybe you guys think its ok for someone to say bad things to your religion...If not, tell me what were they to do?
    I do not think it's acceptable for anyone to put down or attack another person's religion. But rioting and killing innocent people, because someone apparently mistreated a koran, is religious extremism/fanatasim and not acceptable in any form of civilised society.
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    Originally posted by Aussie Bob

    These barbaric rioters acted on false information. They murdered and killed innocent people on the basis of someone reporting that someone mistreated a religious book in a US detention facility.

    Even if the report was true, is this acceptable behaviour for Muslims?

    It's not an excuse for a barbaric murderous rampage, at least not in the civilised world. [/B]
    You and I and most of the civilized world know full well that extremist religious fundamentalists and terrotist leaders were looking for the slightest excuse to incite rioting and anti-American sentiments. And, I think the reporter knew quite well that that would be the result of his report. The MSM will resort to the lowest form of reporting to try to get at Bush and his administration. Plain and simple.
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    Originally posted by Aussie Bob
    I do not think it's acceptable for anyone to put down or attack another person's religion. But rioting and killing innocent people, because someone apparently mistreated a koran, is religious extremism/fanatasim and not acceptable in any form of civilised society.
    Maybe it just got out of hand, some demonstration do end up in rioting, not only in Afghanistan, but some did even back in the history of the US.

    The kiiling of the innocent people was not intentional it just happened because of the riot..

    Most of the killing happened on the side of those who joined the demonstration, even the government will have hard time breaking up a riot unless they shoot some people down.

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    Originally posted by Aussie Bob
    So will these Islamic fanatics apologise for their rioting and killing, now that the article has no substance?

    I find it impossible to comprehend the mindset and fantatasim of the Islam religion.
    As far as the mindset of the Islamic religion, see here
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=404160

    No need to blame things on an entire religion. If the entire religion rioted there would be many more deaths, and it would take more than a botched news story about a book in a bathroom to do that.
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    Question

    Originally posted by Aussie Bob

    I find it impossible to comprehend the mindset and fantatasim of the Islam religion.
    I do not see how that line passed me, but are you saying that all Muslims are Fanatics?

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    Originally posted by Take-IT-EZZI
    As far as the mindset of the Islamic religion, see here
    http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...hreadid=404160

    No need to blame things on an entire religion. If the entire religion rioted there would be many more deaths, and it would take more than a botched news story about a book in a bathroom to do that.
    I think AussieBob was pointing the finger at the extreme religious Islamic fanatics.

    By the way, that song in that thread sounds nice, but it is not the way many religious fanatics behave. The song doesn't undo the harm done by the extreme Islamic fundamentalists.
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    Originally posted by azizny
    But christianity have been blending in with the society its in for many countries..

    For Muslims its a different point of perspective when it comes to religion. Muslims are willing to get killed for their religion (if you ask any Muslim, maybe 90% will say yes). But Chrisitans are not that religously stricit to their religion in that way (maybe not after the middle ages).

    I mean there are Muslims that commit adultery, gamble and drink just like Chrisitans, but alot of Muslims dont.

    Its just Muslims will not tolerate their religion being played with like Chrisitans might.

    For example, my American Chrisitan friend simply wont go help fight and get killed for his fellow African Chrisitans (crusader), maybe not in the numbers Muslims are committed to.

    In Islam the Unity differes than in that in Chrisitanity, in a way similar to Judiasm.

    Maybe you guys think its ok for someone to say bad things to your religion...If not, tell me what were they to do?

    Peace,
    I would die for my faith. If someone held a gun to my head and said to renounce Jesus Christ as the Son of God and savior of man, I would refuse, even if it meant having my brains blown out.

    Jesus teaches us to "pray for those that persecute you" and to "turn the other cheek". True Christianity is actually one of the most peaceful religions, the 2 greatest commandments are "To love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul. And then to love your neighbor as yourself.".

    Many people have fought wars in the NAME of Christianity. In the Middle Ages, the Pope was losing power among the European ccountries, so he sent all the able bodied men on Crusades in the name of God so that the Catholic church could maintain power.

    Just because someone does something "In the name of" does not mean they are actually following what their faith actually believes. That is why I consider myself a Follower of Jesus, more than I consider myself a Christian. Because too many people claim to be something that they are not.

    I'm sure, Azizny, that you would agree that there are many people who claim to be a muslim, yet do not uphold all of the teachings of the Koran/Quran. The same thing goes with Christianity. Many people (especially in middle eastern countries) consider "American" and "Christian" to be one in the same, when actually they are not.
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    Originally posted by amish_geek
    I would die for my faith. If someone held a gun to my head and said to renounce Jesus Christ as the Son of God and savior of man, I would refuse, even if it meant having my brains blown out.

    <>>>

    As a Christian, would you go on a public protest that turns violent, if someone somewhere flush down a copy of the Bible down the toilet?
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    Originally posted by Aussie Bob
    So will these Islamic fanatics apologise for their rioting and killing, now that the article has no substance?

    I find it impossible to comprehend the mindset and fantatasim of the Islam religion.
    I am trying to comprehend this religion too.

    I think Islam is just like any religion which preaches good things, but in these days it had been interpretated differently, more hardline.

    And coupled with low living standards and no jobs, these people are more gullible.

    If you check out the more wealthier countries like Malaysia, UAE, Bahrain, Brunei; the muslims there are pretty liberal. Instead all the voilence had occured in poorer countries.

    No wonder the Chinese govt have been directing their muslim population in western Xinjiang province to have their own interpretation of the Quran, away from the influence of M.East.
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    The newsweek report doesnt actually sound to far fetched if you ask me. If American soldiers are willing to beat, torture, and humilate these prisoners... why wouldn't they they desecrate the Koran? There are detainee lawsuits pending that also allege these incidents did occur. If I was newsweek I would retract the story too, not because it wasn't true but because people are losing their lives.
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    Originally posted by case
    The newsweek report doesnt actually sound to far fetched if you ask me. If American soldiers are willing to beat, torture, and humilate these prisoners... why wouldn't they they desecrate the Koran? There are detainee lawsuits pending that also allege these incidents did occur. If I was newsweek I would retract the story too, not because it wasn't true but because people are losing their lives.
    Fake but accurate huh? That seems to be going around a lot lately.
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    Please point out to me where newsweek claimed the story was completely fake? and please, when did I say this story was accurate? It seems we have alot of people that arent able to comprehend simple english... lately.

    "Based on what we know now, we are retracting our original story that an internal military investigation had uncovered Qur'an abuse at Guantanamo Bay."
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    Originally posted by adorno
    I think AussieBob was pointing the finger at the extreme religious Islamic fanatics.
    Yep. I just can't understand the mindset of their way of thinking.

    I'm a moderate, and a live and let live chap. I don't understand these folks rioting because someone apparently misused a koran. Seems a massive overreaction, imo.
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    Originally posted by azizny
    I do not see how that line passed me, but are you saying that all Muslims are Fanatics?
    No, just the ones rioting, as is the context of this post etc.
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    Originally posted by case
    Please point out to me where newsweek claimed the story was completely fake? and please, when did I say this story was accurate?
    Fake? No. They could never say that. But they said "we regret that any part of the story was wrong." according to CNN.

    It is unfortunate that the desire to get higher ratings often results in terrible tragedies.
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    I hope they like all the deaths and injuries this story has caused!!

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    Originally posted by ilyash
    Would christians go on a killing rampage...

    ...I think not!
    George Bush is a Christian fanatic no? Look at the damage he's done. "Rampage" would be a nice way of describing it.
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    Originally posted by case
    Please point out to me where newsweek claimed the story was completely fake? and please, when did I say this story was accurate? It seems we have alot of people that arent able to comprehend simple english... lately.

    "Based on what we know now, we are retracting our original story that an internal military investigation had uncovered Qur'an abuse at Guantanamo Bay."
    From what I understand, the article is ACCURATE, but they have withdrawn it because of the effect it has had...

    'Protests broke out across much of the Muslim world last week after the Newsweek article appeared.

    It said US investigators had found evidence that interrogators flushed a copy of the holy book down a toilet in an attempt to rattle detainees.

    The violence left about 15 dead and many injured in Afghanistan.

    "It's appalling that this story got out there," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said.'

    It is a case of controlling the news, not "correcting" it,
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    Originally posted by The Dude
    I hope they like all the deaths and injuries this story has caused!!
    the story is just the spark, the fuel, the anti american attitudes have been around for years now and it only ever takes one well publicised news story, true or false, highly factual or partially inaccurate to ignite it.
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    This is interesting:

    http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centr...s/11665296.htm

    "Nevertheless, the Pentagon's Southern Command, which includes Guantanamo 's Camp Delta, is now investigating allegations a spokesman called "credible" that dozens of detainees have complained for years about the desecration of Islam's holy book.

    U.S. officials said the allegations are well-known.

    "We're aware there might have been mishandling of the Koran," a military source told the Daily News.

    The source also said early incidents of mishandling Korans were raised by Army Capt. James Yee, the camp's Muslim imam, who persuaded commanders to bar troops from touching Korans. Yee was later accused of spying, was exonerated and is now working on a book.

    The alleged desecrations of Korans have sparked uprisings in the prison and even a mass-suicide attempt by 25 men, sources inside and outside the military said.

    "I've got 13 (clients) and almost all of them make similar accusations," said Marc Falkoff, a lawyer for a group of Guantanamo terror suspects.

    Falkoff's unclassified notes from January interviews with his clients state that some saw Korans tossed in toilets, intentionally dropped on the ground and stomped on.

    Southern Command spokesman Raul Duany declined to comment on the allegations, but said of the new probe, "We've always looked into any credible allegations."

    After speaking to prisoner Yasin Hasem Muhammed Ismail in January, Falkoff wrote, "In one camp, 25 men tried to hang themselves . . . because a guard threw a Koran on the floor."

    Another client, Yasim Qasem Ismail, said a prisoner "tried to kill himself after guards took his Koran and threw it in the toilet."

    The military source confirmed a mass-suicide attempt occurred, but didn't know why.

    In August, the Center for Constitutional Rights said three Brits released from Gitmo alleged Korans were dunked by guards."
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    Like I asked before, even if the story was true, and the books were misused, does that excuse these riots and murders?

    How can anyone get so upset over a book? The koran is the muslim 'bible' and I can't see there being rioting in the streets if someone was misusing a christian bible.
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    Originally posted by Aussie Bob
    Like I asked before, even if the story was true, and the books were misused, does that excuse these riots and murders?

    How can anyone get so upset over a book? The koran is the muslim 'bible' and I can't see there being rioting in the streets if someone was misusing a christian bible.
    if you don't understand then you probably never will.

    the Koran is the unmodified word of Allah (swt) passed on to us through the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). three of the most important things in Islam.
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    Aussie Bob, I know where you coming from but you should have known by know that Muslims look at different way to their religion.
    I remember a priest telling me that this like is just like a dream to a Muslim, your real life starts once you die. Only difference is you can change the real life by do everything possible for Allah (God).

    I know Islam never thought me any violence. I pray 5 times a day and follow everything I can. But the truth is I know that if someone is (God forbids) doing the same thing with Qur'an in front of me, it would not take me a second to react to that and it could be anything to make it stop.

    These riots are wrong but I see them the same way as the example above where they don't want this to happen ever again and they will do whatever it takes to stop it.

    Now other thing you gotta look at is where these riots broke. From my understanding, few parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
    The US is already there because they wanted them to stop living those kinda lives... Or so they say.
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    Slightly off topic here, but it is something which really bothers me.

    People always talk about Muslims and their suicide bombs. What about the Tamil Tigers? They aren't Muslim yet they suicide bomb a hell of a lot more...

    Why doesn't anyone complain about them? Is it because they don't attack white people?

    I think the attacks aganist Islam are very unfair. A few extremists does not make Islam bad. I am sure there are just as many whackos in nice, white Christian US/EU.
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    Originally posted by Aussie Bob
    Like I asked before, even if the story was true, and the books were misused, does that excuse these riots and murders?

    How can anyone get so upset over a book? The koran is the muslim 'bible' and I can't see there being rioting in the streets if someone was misusing a christian bible.

    Bob, you are dealing with a religion that, in some places, it is a death penalty offense to desecrate this book.

    If this is how you are brought up then I don't see how you could avoid this kind of radical religious fundamentalism.
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    Originally posted by blue27
    Bob, you are dealing with a religion that, in some places, it is a death penalty offense to desecrate this book.

    If this is how you are brought up then I don't see how you could avoid this kind of radical religious fundamentalism.
    Yes, I also have read that it is punishable by death to insult the Quran or Prophet Muhammad. Does it apply to everyone, including non-muslims?

    Anyway, regarding Newsweek journalist practises, mistakes happen. CBS, BBC, NYTimes have faulted before. It is a tough decision.

    According to Paul Reynolds in this article, it is the problem with anonymity sources.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4551683.stm
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