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    300 GB Bandwidth per month for $7

    Hi,

    I found http://powweb.com offering 5 GB web space and 300 GB Bandwidth for $7 per month.

    Can they realy allow that much bandwidth for $7 per month or some hidden terms or limits ?

    Almost all of my dedicated servers use less than 100 GB bandwidth per month and i pay around $100 per month for these servers.

    If they can provide this much bandwidth, i could save some money by moving few high traffic sites to them... but don't know they really host a site that use 300 GB per month. I feel like getting 100 GB per month will be great for that price.

    I don't want to take risk by moving the site to them and they suspend it for over usage or other reasons.

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    Easy,

    It's called overselling, also if you read the TOS you are limited on gb/day which is how they make it easier to control you.
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    As well only allowed so many hits to the website each day I believe (I was reading their forums).

    So to answer the question I would not move your sites to powweb for any major websites.
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    Don't go with powweb, lot's of trouble with them, don't go with ace-host.net either, look arround the forumn, you will find a few good 10 dollar or less hostings with 100gb or more of band.

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    flashwebhost,

    Not everyone rents from ev1, theplanet, etc.
    Not every server is limited to 100GB a month, I'm not standing up for this specific provider.

    I have heard that they have a 'hit limit' in place though - which would definitely stop the majority of people from using even a decent % of their bandwidth.
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    Even if you own your own datacentre, I'm sure you can't be financially viable having thousands of cliets using 300 gigs of bandwidth and only paying 7.00/month
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    Over sell.
    u really go save with a 100gb transfer host.
    By the way HP-David, neither your or kevin have responded to my last question and complain.


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    Hi,

    Usually if it seems as though its going to save you that much, something fishy is going on, and in terms of Powweb as others have outlined its called Overselling, and possibly at a huge level too.

    Personally, I would stick with the options you currently have as overselling based hosts can cause more headache than solutions, this marketing method seems to work for those who don’t research into their host’s, and it is a big mistake.
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    That is clearly over-selling and nothing else. I wouldn't sign up with that if my website depended upon it. If that was true major companies with high traffic websites would throw out their servers and go on over to that host. Give me a break.
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    One purchaser of a dedicated server, not to be named, sells around 8 or 9000 GB of transfer monthly. They are on a 1000gb plan, and use about 5 or 6 GB. So I can see how despite overselling, it barely uses a fraction.
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    That's the whole point of overselling. Hoping that your customers don't use what they're paying for.
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    Tip, don't buy host that offer you more then 200gb and has lots of feautures for less then 10 or 15 usd.
    Canaca is excepted in this except well, the feautures ain't that great or are very limited.
    If you don't mind this lack of feautures go to www.canaca.com.
    Other then that just go with hostingplex.com, 110gb transfer, or ******, 10 usd 100gb transfer. Or check other members here might give you some goods and bads about a few hosts.

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    I don't agree with the recommendation not to use PowWeb. They "control you" by limiting you to 10 GB a day of data transfer - that's a lot of bandwidth. Like most web hosts they have mixed reviews here. I wouldn't call them Premium Grade but they get the job done. If you really are going to push the 10GB/day limit then you might want to consider something else but they are true to their TOS which is quite generous given the price.
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    Originally posted by cellshade
    Tip, don't buy host that offer you more then 200gb and has lots of feautures for less then 10 or 15 usd.
    Canaca is excepted in this except well, the feautures ain't that great or are very limited.
    If you don't mind this lack of feautures go to www.canaca.com.
    Other then that just go with hostingplex.com, 110gb transfer, or ******, 10 usd 100gb transfer. Or check other members here might give you some goods and bads about a few hosts.

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    I wouldn't call them Premium Grade but they get the job done.
    DevilDog, do you have first hand experience with Powweb?
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    Possibly overselling?

    Even in NL which provides good priced bandwidth it will cost a miminum of .40€ per GB for traffic, and this is on a 100MB/line plan.

    Remember that rarely will someone utilize this generous allocation of bandwidth, unfortunately this is done as a marketing ploy to attract attention by "Bigger is better".
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    Originally posted by ldcdc
    DevilDog, do you have first hand experience with Powweb?
    I do not. I am basing my opinion on mixed reviews here. Some complain about their service and support. Others say they're decent. I've also visited their forums. Their customers are generally not unhappy.

    My concept of "getting the job done" is probably different than yours. The statements on this thread are generally vaguely akin to "...that company oversells don't go with them...." I don't want to get into a long, non-productive discussion on the issue. I've spelled out my perspectives on price, advertising, expectations, etc in other threads. I also define "premium" web hosting as something akin to what many of the crowd here expect of their web host. Some would never go with anything else and despise anything else. While I haven't hosted with powweb, I have hosted with others that are host non grata and was satisfied, as far as it goes, for my web hosting needs. I think PowWeb fills a niche for some applications (especially video or audio streaming on a budget) and they "get the job done" as far as it goes without removing them from total consideration.

    My opinion, while not as informed as it might be if I had a hosting account with them (though it would be impossible to duplicate all user experiences) is informed enough to form an opinion and at least as informed as many who sing the standard "overselling is evil" tune.
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    Cheap hosting companies also use t1 and OC3 lines.
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    an OC3 isn't exactly small. Promonet.com is a place around my city, and they have something like 2 or 3 years uptime, on 2 T1's.

    There's also voxel which has servers on an OC3 (link: http://www.voxel.net/about/)

    Line size isn't a measure, uptime and service is.
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    Concerned about other limits

    Let me wipe the drool off your chin.

    To hit 300gb do you think that maybe you might hit other limits before getting there?

    Don't forget that host can limit you by:
    Connections
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    Memory
    Remove files older than X months

    These guys are not new to overselling or newbies that don't have a handle on what things cost.

    How long do you think someone there would keep their job if they had to tell the owner that all 300gb accounts sold he lost around 100.00 bucks?
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    LinkOnUs hits the nail on the head, there are WAY more ways to limit you than just gigs transferred, # of hits, CPU usage, I/O usage, etc etc etc.

    Just search here on this forum powweb and decide for yourself.
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    Originally posted by jmweb
    Expect to pay at least 50 cents per gb bandwidth for honest and reliable hosting.
    Hmm ain't that a bit too much? maybe 25 cents but 50 is too much for a even good reliable host.


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    Hmm ain't that a bit too much? maybe 25 cents but 50 is too much for a even good reliable host.
    That kind of debate is never over. For some people $1/gb is quite a reasonable rate, for others $0.1/GB is already too much.

    One should try to estimate the real costs that the host is having and then ask himself about the right and/or minimum price to pay.
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    Believe me i am an ace in mathematics lol.
    The owner of the webhosting company spends as much for 1gb of bandwidth as what company he is using to resell or what company he is using for internet.
    The avererage is about .10 cents.



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    Originally posted by cellshade
    Believe me i am an ace in mathematics lol.
    The owner of the webhosting company spends as much for 1gb of bandwidth as what company he is using to resell or what company he is using for internet.
    The avererage is about .10 cents.



    CellShade
    Yeah yeah every dedicated server comes with 1000 gigs transfer, wanna know a secret? There ain't no way in hell a dedicated server full of shared hosting accounts will use 1000 gigs of data transfer, I don't care if it's a quad xeon it ain't happening, not with a couple hundred shared hosting sites on it. No way no how.

    File transfers? maybe, but not php/mysql/email/etc etc etc all pulling at the cpu(s)...

    Fact of the matter is, a SINGLE web site pulling 300 gigs will probably cripple a server -by-itself- ALL alone. And if it's running a forum it'll probably need MORE THAN one server.

    It's just your basic overselling, offer the world for pennies but then hide so many loopholes and gotchas in your TOS there's no way in hell someone will ever use a fraction of what you sell them without hitting some "other" limit, cpu, hits, etc etc.

    Wonder how many gigs per month WHT uses? I bet it's probably under 300 gigs per month...
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    Still i never said to go with that host, and yes no server can offer 1000gb transfer that would be like saying alienware is the cheapest pc lol.
    I was just saying the cost of band for server.
    And since wht is just a forumn basically, it prob takes less then 250 transfer, hence download phpbb and multiply size in mb by the ammount of users, you will get a balanced prob equal number to the maximun bandwidth wht needs, hence i say the correct size of the file since a person won't look at every messege and use every php feauture, so that's prob the correct ammout.


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    As already stated in this thread - it's overselling. Many hosts oversell their services (some excessively) knowing that few if any clients will actually use what is provided. Those that do and put any real strain on the server can be pushed towards dedicated and/or whacked with the TOS.

    It's a numbers game.

    The more money hosts generate from hosting clients the more they can put back into the company to provide better overall services and support.

    As with all things, you get what you pay for.
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    Originally posted by xst4t1kx

    As with all things, you get what you pay for.
    Well a few things are excepted for this rule.


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    cellshade...Do you have first hand experience with both hosts? Have you been with either companies for longer than say a month or two?

    There is no exception to the rule, you get what you pay for!
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    Yes, HP for the site on my profile, and powweb because i managed for more then a month a friends website for line age 2 clan site.


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    Wow, I hate to burst some bubbles here.... I've got one customer, three sites. He pulls almost 1900 gigs of traffic a month. His server handles it's own MySQL, email, DNS (shared across two servers for balancing) and web traffic.

    When he goes over his threshold, his bandwidth overage is $1.25 a month. He's not happy about it, but he does pay for it.

    It's been proven, time and time again, how these lower cost companies are seriously overselling their services. Just do a search on Google for "Overselling Bandwidth", and you'll see what I mean.

    I've always said that the standard should be between $1.00 and $2.50 per gig of traffic if you expect to find a host that will be around for the long run... and I'm coming up on 5 years next month.... gee, I wonder what I'm doing wrong.
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    Originally posted by cellshade
    Over sell.
    u really go save with a 100gb transfer host.
    By the way HP-David, neither your or kevin have responded to my last question and complain.


    CellShade
    And what question would that be?
    I haven't received anything recently.

    Feel free to forward it to me - thanks.
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    Originally posted by Dixiesys
    Yeah yeah every dedicated server comes with 1000 gigs transfer, wanna know a secret? There ain't no way in hell a dedicated server full of shared hosting accounts will use 1000 gigs of data transfer, I don't care if it's a quad xeon it ain't happening, not with a couple hundred shared hosting sites on it. No way no how.

    File transfers? maybe, but not php/mysql/email/etc etc etc all pulling at the cpu(s)...

    Fact of the matter is, a SINGLE web site pulling 300 gigs will probably cripple a server -by-itself- ALL alone. And if it's running a forum it'll probably need MORE THAN one server.

    It's just your basic overselling, offer the world for pennies but then hide so many loopholes and gotchas in your TOS there's no way in hell someone will ever use a fraction of what you sell them without hitting some "other" limit, cpu, hits, etc etc.

    Wonder how many gigs per month WHT uses? I bet it's probably under 300 gigs per month...
    Er, I think you're wrong. Anyone can easily push a terabyte on a shared server without any tremendous effort (and thats 100Mbit, GigE could do even more damage without flinching)..
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    Well i know i could use a lot of bandwidth, but don't wanna spend extra lol.



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    Originally posted by HP-David
    Er, I think you're wrong. Anyone can easily push a terabyte on a shared server without any tremendous effort (and thats 100Mbit, GigE could do even more damage without flinching)..
    Don't tell me - tell InetInteractive that they can host WHT for $7 a month and save some big bucks. Tell the last company I had a job with, they were paying over $18,000 per month to host their web site that pushed around 1700 gigs per month and those fools had that site spread across 40 something servers with load balancing pix's in a private cage, heck they only needed to pay $42 a month and they didn't even know it! Gosh (1700 / 300 = almost 6 x $7 = $42 per month)!

    Let's face it, if you use 300 gigs in a month and you're not making enough money off your site to afford better than $7 per month you need to pick up your toys and go home. And while we're being honest, any site that uses anywhere NEAR 300 gigs in a month using some $7 a month hosting won't last a week on the plan mentioned in the OP and that's just a fact and you can dance a jig around the issue till you resemble Mr Bojangles but that's just how it is.
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    Tell amazon or cnn which millions visit


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    Ive been with powweb for around a year and a half and im happy with the service ive recived during this time.

    I know they are overselling but it dosent concern me because I know most powweb customers wont use 10GB a day.

    If everyone was to use 10GB a day powweb would be in trouble but they have so many small to medium sized websites that thats unlikly to happen.

    so yes they do provide me with 300GB a month wich a can use.
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    In theory they do provide you with 300 gigs of bandwidth. That's only because they know you'll not use it. If they knew you would actually use the 300 gigs, they'd charge $100.00+ / month for that package.
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    Originally posted by Dixiesys
    Don't tell me - tell InetInteractive that they can host WHT for $7 a month and save some big bucks. Tell the last company I had a job with, they were paying over $18,000 per month to host their web site that pushed around 1700 gigs per month and those fools had that site spread across 40 something servers with load balancing pix's in a private cage, heck they only needed to pay $42 a month and they didn't even know it! Gosh (1700 / 300 = almost 6 x $7 = $42 per month)!
    The same way I could choose to drive a BMW or a Pinto - both will get me to work.

    Same way they could choose to use UUNet or Cogent, or multihomed.

    Could they have hosted it for cheaper? of course - but the majority of clients do not need their site spanned across 40 servers, or a couple of terabytes.

    Lots of people get by just renting non-redundant boxes from hardware providers - Pintos but it does the job.
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    Originally posted by HP-David
    The same way I could choose to drive a BMW or a Pinto - both will get me to work.

    Same way they could choose to use UUNet or Cogent, or multihomed.

    Could they have hosted it for cheaper? of course - but the majority of clients do not need their site spanned across 40 servers, or a couple of terabytes.

    Lots of people get by just renting non-redundant boxes from hardware providers - Pintos but it does the job.
    Precisely.

    I don't know why some people think there is only one way to do web hosting.

    Who would push 300 GB a month and wouldn't have the money to spend more than $7/month? How about some hobbyist streaming video or audio. A church that is streaming sermons.

    It really gets frustrating how many people that have a "my way or the highway" attitude here. Think outside the box. Some people, like HP-David said, don't mind driving a Pinto. Ferrari owners stick their noses in the air at them but the Pinto drivers just say "Whatever you geek."
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