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    Cheap 10/20Mbps Unmetered

    Server matrix has a good offer on a 20Mbps, but It doesnt give me the option of getting larger drives, which I dont really like, as I need as much space as I can get. A simple 2.4celeron, 512mb of ram, cpanel and any linux OS will do, as it will be the new home of my image-hosting service.

    Anyone have any recommendations?

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    Oh, that's great, thanks alot How long have these guys been in business?

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    Originally posted by smoove.
    Oh, that's great, thanks alot How long have these guys been in business?
    Their parent company, AlphaRed, has been in business over a year. Considering they have 9 GigE lines in their own datacenter, I'd say this is no small hosting operation

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    Looks promising, but the site doesnt offer much detail on control panels, payment methods, or how managed their "managed" servers are....

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    Originally posted by smoove.
    Looks promising, but the site doesnt offer much detail on control panels, payment methods, or how managed their "managed" servers are....
    Send an E-Mail to sales.....they'll help you get exactly what you need.

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    About OrangeFiber. I performed few tests from my 10 mbits line at home and speed is not that big. It's strange when you look at their specs.

    I capped a 50 KB/s... (?!?)
    But if you are doing business in the US, speed seems to be ok.

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    Hmm I've emailed them, taking a long time to reply.
    Phach, how do I perform that test?

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    Here's a test file on my server at Orange Fiber: http://66.28.201.157/512MegaByte.file

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    Yeah, that's strange. The speed for me is 80KB/s. I am in US. Did a speed test with my ISP and it was 3425kbps (430KB/s).

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    Not that strange actually, their lines are really oversaturated during most of the day. They are supposed to be adding more capacity soon.

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    Slow for me as well, on a 100Mbps port I'm only getting 130KB/s.
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    Originally posted by tkam
    Here's a test file on my server at Orange Fiber: http://66.28.201.157/512MegaByte.file
    180kbps here and we're at less than 20% utilization on our network, it's not on our end....

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    From EZZI, and I have no problem pulling 40-60mbps from other sources, I stopped the transfer a minute or so into it.

    [[email protected] root]# wget http://66.28.201.157/512MegaByte.file
    --11:05:42-- http://66.28.201.157/512MegaByte.file
    => `512MegaByte.file'
    Connecting to 66.28.201.157:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 536,870,912 [application/octet-stream]

    0% [ ] 3,968,673 100.41K/s ETA 1:26:22
    [[email protected] root]#

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    Yep like I said the OF lines are totally saturated during most of the day.

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    Actually, it is an isolated incident. I just tested several servers of ours all on different switches. Was able to push 16-28 mbps throughout the separate servers. A customer on WHT has reported similar issues, but when the problem was fixed, he too had no problem pushing the high speeds. Id contact support and have them take a look at it.

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    Meh, tried it on a UK dedi, pushed 800 kbps some time last week from an OF test dl link, dling at 20-50kbps atm

    Guess something has gone down at OF? (dled http://www.orangefiber.com/test.ipo at 800kbps before, 20 atm). http://66.28.201.157/512MegaByte.file is at 50kbps

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    Maybe it has something to do with saturated links? Maybe his server is on a different network segment which has less priority/bandwidth.
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    The links are saturated during the day thats pretty much what it comes down to. If you try the links around 7 or 8pm EST they will be much much faster. Here's a few other links that I'm fairly sure are on different segments, speeds will be no different:

    http://www.orangefiber.com/test.ipo
    http://20mb.support4sale.info/512MegaByte.file

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    Originally posted by BSD2
    Meh, tried it on a UK dedi, pushed 800 kbps some time last week from an OF test dl link, dling at 20-50kbps atm

    Guess something has gone down at OF? (dled http://www.orangefiber.com/test.ipo at 800kbps before, 20 atm). http://66.28.201.157/512MegaByte.file is at 50kbps
    For http://www.orangefiber.com/test.ipo I am getting 240 KB/sec on my home DSL, which normally maxes out at 320 KB/sec. I tested from another location and only got 30 KB/sec though... I am getting roughly the same results with http://20mb.support4sale.info/512MegaByte.file. After running some traces it appears Cogent is having a congesion issue in Dallas. Here is a trace from Global Crossing in Dallas:

    1 64.214.7.129 (64.214.7.129) 14.777 ms 0.616 ms
    2 so0-0-0-2488m.ar1.dal2.gblx.net (67.17.73.30) 1.241 ms 1.053 ms
    3 g4-3.core01.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.11.169) 16.989 ms 14.256 ms
    4 p11-0.core01.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.2.189) 15.872 ms 17.205 ms
    5 p13-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.98) 22.715 ms 20.178 ms
    6 Alpha.demarc.cogentco.com (38.112.12.246) 19.284 ms 23.946 ms
    7 66.28.206.119 (66.28.206.119) 24.076 ms 26.364 ms

    You can see the big increase in hop 3, even though it is still in Dallas etc. These types of issues happen, and I can see how not everyone would be seeing these issues as if you get on the Cogent network before Dallas there do not seem to be many issues. My DSL line hops on Cogent in CHicago and has no issues, the other connects in Dallas and does have issues. Not really sure you can fault OrangeFiber on this one unless you want to get on their case about single-homing with Cogent, but that is why the prices are as low as they are, and you know that is what you're getting when you purchase from them.
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    from France I still have bad results : 55 KB/s peak

    But it's from France so maybe from the US the speed is good...

    by the way :

    3 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms montpellier-6k-1-a5.routers.proxad.net [213.228.12.62]
    4 10 ms 9 ms 34 ms marseille-6k-1-v802.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.94]
    5 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms lyon-6k-1-v804.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.102]
    6 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms th2-6k-2-v812.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.113]
    7 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms router.cogentco.com [212.27.38.190]
    8 39 ms 36 ms 34 ms p13-0.core01.lon02.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1.121]
    9 104 ms 104 ms 103 ms p10-0.core01.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.46]
    10 122 ms 124 ms 124 ms p5-0.core01.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.110]
    11 122 ms 122 ms 122 ms p15-0.core02.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.62]
    12 140 ms 143 ms 141 ms p12-0.core01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.33]
    13 148 ms 147 ms 147 ms p12-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.105]
    14 151 ms 149 ms 148 ms Alpha.demarc.cogentco.com [38.112.4.158]
    15 253 ms 191 ms 223 ms 66.28.206.119

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    So would all this be ok for an image-host server?

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    so forget about OF? heh.


    you may check out this deal ( http://www.autica.com/dedicated-unme...specials.shtml ). I know the staff at autica/midphase is top notch and they use servercentral transit. so expect nothing but the best from them?

    just a suggestion though ...

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    Originally posted by Phach
    from France I still have bad results : 55 KB/s peak

    But it's from France so maybe from the US the speed is good...

    by the way :

    3 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms montpellier-6k-1-a5.routers.proxad.net [213.228.12.62]
    4 10 ms 9 ms 34 ms marseille-6k-1-v802.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.94]
    5 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms lyon-6k-1-v804.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.102]
    6 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms th2-6k-2-v812.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.113]
    7 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms router.cogentco.com [212.27.38.190]
    8 39 ms 36 ms 34 ms p13-0.core01.lon02.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1.121]
    9 104 ms 104 ms 103 ms p10-0.core01.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.46]
    10 122 ms 124 ms 124 ms p5-0.core01.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.110]
    11 122 ms 122 ms 122 ms p15-0.core02.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.62]
    12 140 ms 143 ms 141 ms p12-0.core01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.33]
    13 148 ms 147 ms 147 ms p12-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.105]
    14 151 ms 149 ms 148 ms Alpha.demarc.cogentco.com [38.112.4.158]
    15 253 ms 191 ms 223 ms 66.28.206.119
    The big hop at the end there would either mean an issue with the server itself or an internal network issue. Either way, in your case, it appears it could definitely be OF's fault. Though I wouldn't really jump to conclusions based on one trace.
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    Originally posted by KarlZimmer
    Though I wouldn't really jump to conclusions based on one trace.
    of course...

    3 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms montpellier-6k-1-a5.routers.proxad.net [213.228.12.62]
    4 7 ms 8 ms 9 ms marseille-6k-1-v802.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.94]
    5 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms lyon-6k-1-v804.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.102]
    6 18 ms 18 ms * th2-6k-2-v812.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.113]
    7 19 ms 21 ms 20 ms router.cogentco.com [212.27.38.190]
    8 31 ms 29 ms 30 ms p13-0.core01.lon02.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1.121]
    9 100 ms 125 ms 107 ms p10-0.core01.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.46]
    10 123 ms 122 ms 123 ms p5-0.core01.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.110]
    11 122 ms 123 ms 123 ms p15-0.core02.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.62]
    12 153 ms 140 ms 144 ms p12-0.core01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.33]
    13 147 ms 148 ms 147 ms p12-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.105]
    14 153 ms 153 ms 154 ms Alpha.demarc.cogentco.com [38.112.4.158]
    15 157 ms 149 ms 180 ms 66.28.206.119




    3 6 ms 5 ms 5 ms montpellier-6k-1-a5.routers.proxad.net [213.228.12.62]
    4 12 ms 8 ms 8 ms marseille-6k-1-v802.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.94]
    5 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms lyon-6k-1-v804.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.102]
    6 19 ms 18 ms 19 ms th2-6k-2-v812.intf.routers.proxad.net [212.27.50.113]
    7 19 ms 31 ms 19 ms router.cogentco.com [212.27.38.190]
    8 31 ms 30 ms 30 ms p13-0.core01.lon02.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1.121]
    9 101 ms 101 ms 101 ms p10-0.core01.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.46]
    10 123 ms 138 ms 122 ms p5-0.core01.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.110]
    11 122 ms 127 ms 124 ms p15-0.core02.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.62]
    12 140 ms 143 ms 168 ms p12-0.core01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.33]
    13 147 ms 148 ms 167 ms p12-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.105]
    14 148 ms 148 ms 147 ms Alpha.demarc.cogentco.com [38.112.4.158]
    15 172 ms 150 ms 155 ms 66.28.206.119
    not that bad...

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    Originally posted by Phach
    of course...

    not that bad...
    Yeah, in general their traces seem fine, except the one Cogent Dallas issue, which I have noted on several traces:

    Qwest Dallas:
    1 dal-svcs-01 (205.171.25.196) 0.493 ms 0.302 ms 0.264 ms
    2 dal-core-01 (205.171.225.34) 0.352 ms 0.330 ms 9.251 ms
    3 dap-brdr-01 (205.171.225.49) 1.489 ms 1.467 ms 1.421 ms
    4 p9-0.core01.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.10.125) 26.307 ms 23.582 ms 21.897 ms
    5 p11-0.core01.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.2.189) 24.372 ms 24.690 ms 26.051 ms
    6 p13-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.98) 31.813 ms 25.003 ms 24.598 ms
    7 Alpha.demarc.cogentco.com (38.112.4.158) 24.860 ms 24.705 ms 25.850 ms
    8 66.28.206.119 (66.28.206.119) 26.108 ms 26.045 ms 27.390 ms

    Level(3) Dallas:
    1 ae-1-51.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.122.1) 0 msec
    ae-1-55.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.122.129) 0 msec
    ae-1-53.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.122.65) 0 msec
    2 so-6-0-0.edge2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.96.118) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec
    3 cogent-level3-oc48.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.68.127.14) 0 msec 0 msec 4 msec
    4 p11-0.core01.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.2.189) [AS174 {COGENT}] 256 msec 112 msec 4 msec
    5 p13-0.core01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.98) [AS174 {COGENT}] 4 msec 92 msec 92 msec
    6 Alpha.demarc.cogentco.com (38.112.12.246) [AS174 {COGENT}] 4 msec 8 msec 4 msec
    7 66.28.206.119 [AS174 {COGENT}] 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec


    Add in the Global Crossing trace from before and it seems pretty consistant.
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    I've been speaking to one of their members of staff and they have an offer on the 2+2 20Mbps server. If I pay for 2months, I get 2 months free. If i pay for 6months, I get 6months free, so that $1000 for a years worth of Managed, dedicated, 20Mbps server.

    Surley theres something wrong there?

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    200kbps from OF now, its getting better heh.

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    Originally posted by smoove.
    I've been speaking to one of their members of staff and they have an offer on the 2+2 20Mbps server. If I pay for 2months, I get 2 months free. If i pay for 6months, I get 6months free, so that $1000 for a years worth of Managed, dedicated, 20Mbps server.

    Surley theres something wrong there?
    Reminds me of the AngelNetworkz deals... If the company has a good track record and you feel good with them you might want to go for it long-term. If they are new or a reseller I'd likely stay away.
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    In costs per GB, I haven't found anything even close to the 2+2, which is why I'm ordering it.

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    They are new by the looks of things, it's only about 6months old.
    When ordering a server, it doesnt offer a proper payment method, just my outlook client to email them. Not very proffesional?

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    They have no PAYMENT SYSTEM at this time. But it's ok, I only care about their NETWORK SYSTEM

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    For those of you with really bad speed tests earlier today, go ahead and try out the same links again. They will be much better, which just proves that their links are completed saturated during the day. I really hope once they get more capacity in that they don't oversell this badly again.

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    We have a server pushing 120Mbps AVG, peaking during the day. The server never has packet loss or high pings. Buffers are just as fast during the day as they are during the night, it just seems that some switches may be saturated. Contacting OF would be your best bet to correct this problem.
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    It's not the switch I can max out the 100mbit nic receiving or sending from other servers at OF.

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    At all times during the day? Are those other servers on the same switch as the problem server?
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    Yep I can max out the nic from any other server on the OF network at all times during the day. Even when the speeds out of OF are bad during the day. The ones I've tested to are on different switches. You said you were doing 120mbit all the time? The only thing I can think of is they are giving priority to the people with gig nic's.

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