I wonder if Hardhathosting's plans (other than their $59.95 SuperVDS plan) really qualify as VPS's, since they specify a limit of FTP accounts and POP3 email users. If it were a true VPS, you should be able to create as many users as available resources will allow.
not sure, but maybe the limits of hardhathosting applies if you use their control panel. I've not check it but it could be possible to do it as you want by editing config files.
As I have already said in another post, their support seems good to me. Performance seems good to. The only problem could be the expensive extra disk space.
I wonder why anyone would want a VPS at such a price. You just can't expect quality at a price like that, the only way to make a business model like that profitable is by placing hundreds of VPS's per server - not to mention there will be a huge lack of support.
If you can't afford a reasonably priced VPS it's better to just go for shared hosting.
Apoc, plenty of folks are offering decent dedicated servers for 99/mo. so I don't see why hundreds of VPS would be needed on such a box at $20 each to make a profit. How is it unprofitable with, say, 20/box running FreeVPS? $20*200=$4000/mo, which is very far from break-even, including any costs I can think of.
With a provider like <one that charges $2/mo for a cPanel account>, I don't expect white glove service, but $20/mo is a lot more than they charge.
I don't think you understand the costs involved to host 200 VPS accounts. Let me explain
First of all we were talking about ~$10/month accounts. Now take that redwoodvirtual for instance. They include 64mb RAM at that price. You are saying 200 accounts per server. That takes roughly 12GB RAM.
A server with 12GB RAM costs about $700/month (hardware alone). They include 20GB bandwidth. Assuming people will use up 50%, that's a total of 2000GB of bandwidth. Reasonably that costs about $400/month.
So you get an income of 200x10= 2000/month. Say 4% is taken off in transaction fees before you receive it in your bank account. Then $1920 is left.
The costs for running the server (not to mention rackspace, switches, etc) is $1100/month. So $820/month is left.
Now just imagine how much it takes to provide just a low level of support for 200 VPS's (which can basically be compared with dedicated servers). A good tech costs $3000/month at least. So if you would put all your remaining money into support, you would have about 1000 VPS's to manage, per tech. As you can tell; that would cause very bad support.
Not to mention the profit this way; there would be none.
So the conclusion is: either they use very bad hardware, or they oversell their RAM (which is a major problem for the users), or they provide very bad support, or a combination of all of that.
Thanks. Good answer. Interesting exercise.
Ev1 will rent a server WITH 3000GB of bandwidth for $500/month, so your bandwidth cost looks a bit high, but OK.
At retail: supermicro 2U barebones is $1200, 8GB is $800, 1TB is $400, CPUs are $1000. $3500 is paid in 5 700/month payments.
I don't need handholding, just a tech who sets it up and keeps the thing running when hardware fails, but others may need better support and extras, like DDoS, control panels, and handholding.
I just wanted to add that the ~$10 VPS (or in our case, VM) market is entirely possible. The catch with our service is minimal support which targets technical users and I am more than happy with that. As far as the comment regarding overloading servers, the software we use doesn't use allow overselling of resources and in the "Dedicated vs VPS" thread with the UnixBench-wht tuned software I believe we still hold the record for the highest performing VPS/VM.
As to regards of the $99/mo dedicated, that is _exactly_ what I was thinking when pricing our plans. There was no quality 'budget' VPS/VM provider, consider it a niche inside a niche.
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dotbomber: What you say is not correct, you definitely won't get 8gb ram for $800, let alone 12gb for $1200. You may find that kind of RAM but it won't be fast, and to provide anything near quality with VPS you definitely need fast RAM. Furthermore to setup 12GB ram you'll need to use 2GB ram chips which are also not the cheapest in the world.
Trust me, we have lots of VPS servers running with these kind of specs and you definitely won't pay that off in 5 payments of $700.
Regarding the bandwidth: that's 3000gb is with a dedicated server and they base those prices on the idea that you will never use it all. With colocation that's a whole different story and you'll see that even at EV1 it will cost a lot more than you think. 2000gb of used bandwidth equals to about 10mbps (I know 10mbps is a max of 3300gb, but you have to keep in mind there will be peaks). 10mbps for $400/month is a reasonable estimation.
You may be right about the support; if you provide minimal support the costs are much lower. Yet still, based on the calculation I made (which is really a reasonable estimation) you will have to keep in mind that it takes a while to get the box all the way filled up with 200 accounts - before then you'll be losing money. When the box is all filled up, even if you don't provide any support you'll be facing costs to maintain the machine. So I think there's about $2-3 per account left - assuming you do provide at least a littlebit of support, that just won't cut it.
It's really a shame to see that there are so many people exploiting all markets.