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Old 05-09-2005, 04:17 PM
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Do you think that Undocumented Immigrants should be legalized because they were


If a minor (undocumented) was brought in to the US by his parents. The minor grows up and graduates from college. Do you think they should be able to be legalized to stay in the US. Keeping in mind that immigration rules in 94 stops them from being sponsored by companies if they go back home and also they would not be able to come back to the US for 10 year period..

I heared there is a law some democrats are trying to pass called "Freedom Act", which will grant such unlegal immigrants green cards.

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Old 05-09-2005, 04:19 PM
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No, they should be deported. Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse.

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Old 05-09-2005, 04:24 PM
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I wonder who came up with the catch phrase "Undocumented Immigrant" and when it stopped being Illegal Immigrant? I've only heard that phrase being pushed around for maybe the last year or so.....

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Old 05-09-2005, 04:31 PM
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I wonder who came up with the catch phrase "Undocumented Immigrant" and when it stopped being Illegal Immigrant? I've only heard that phrase being pushed around for maybe the last year or so.....
Who cares what the phrase is that is used to identify and reference such aliens; or do you just want to reinforce the fact that indeed they are here -- *drumroll* -- illegally? In fact, undocumented and illegal are the same, just as civil union and marriage are the same (technically that is; of course, your opinions may vary from a moral standpoint). Being undocumented effectively means you're here illegally.

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Old 05-09-2005, 04:32 PM
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Simple answer, NO. Why reward illegal immigrants? There are many people that properly go through all the needed steps to live in the US, it would be a slap in the face to all of them to just turn around and allow any/all illegals to stay.
In your example the minor should have been caught when his/her parent(s) tried to put them in public school. The family when caught should be returned to their point of origin.
Those that come here legally should be rewarded, not those that sneak in illegally.

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Old 05-09-2005, 04:32 PM
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But they were bought here as minors... children and possibly babies..

should they be punished for something they did not do?

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In your example the minor should have been caught when his/her parent(s) tried to put them in public school. The family when caught should be returned to their point of origion.
Those that come here legally should be rewarded, not those that sneak in illegally.
But you know that undocumented immigrants can even go to college... So you are basically saying its the government fault?

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Old 05-09-2005, 05:21 PM
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I think they should be allowed to be legalized. They were brought here agianst their will as young children. They grew up here and the US is the only place they have called home.

Actaully its called the Dream Act.
I keep track of what the Senate is up to.
And it was introduced by Sen. Orin Hatch of Utah Republican.
And this seems to have support from both the Democrats and the Republicans.

The reason it has support is because some of these kids do way better in school than your average american citizen teen.

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Old 05-09-2005, 05:47 PM
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I think they should be allowed to be legalized. They were brought here agianst their will as young children. They grew up here and the US is the only place they have called home.

Actaully its called the Dream Act.
I keep track of what the Senate is up to.
And it was introduced by Sen. Orin Hatch of Utah Republican.
And this seems to have support from both the Democrats and the Republicans.

The reason it has support is because some of these kids do way better in school than your average american citizen teen.
I was brought here as an immigrant (legal and now i'm a citizen!) and it would be harsh to send the kid back to a country where they had next to no memories of. They can't speak the language, they can't read, they can't even successfully reenter society back in their country. Of course, I am descrbing the extreme cases and obviously every person is different.

If a person is valuable to society through college and what they do afterwards, why should we send back these people? It's like back...18th...17th? 19th? century where countries in Europe decides 'hey! we don't like these types of minorities in our countries! Let's send them away even though they could possibly build factories, invent things, and help this country become great!'

I would support it. But then again, each case is different and I'm not sure how I would feel about if it affected me. Yes, it comes down to how this law will affect me. I guess I'm just watching out for myself.

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Old 05-09-2005, 05:55 PM
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I fully agree E_man3, I believe they shouldn't be punished for their parents' actions . And I also can almost guarantee you that in some way you are connected to illegal aliens, the food you eat eveyday may have been cultivated by them, the house you live in may have been bilt by them. These are some minor examples of the things these people do for everyone else. If you watch the news during the war with Iraq they found an illegal US soldier in the front line, so theses are some things that would make you think how important illegal aliens are to the US, an to everyone of us living in the United States, what do you guys think would happen if all the illegal aliens didn't show up to work for one day? Can you imagine all the money the US will loose?


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Old 05-09-2005, 06:08 PM
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I was brought here as an immigrant (legal and now i'm a citizen!) and it would be harsh to send the kid back to a country where they had next to no memories of. They can't speak the language, they can't read, they can't even successfully reenter society back in their country. Of course, I am descrbing the extreme cases and obviously every person is different.

If a person is valuable to society through college and what they do afterwards, why should we send back these people? It's like back...18th...17th? 19th? century where countries in Europe decides 'hey! we don't like these types of minorities in our countries! Let's send them away even though they could possibly build factories, invent things, and help this country become great!'

I would support it. But then again, each case is different and I'm not sure how I would feel about if it affected me. Yes, it comes down to how this law will affect me. I guess I'm just watching out for myself.
I must agree with this, leave the kid.

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Old 05-09-2005, 06:46 PM
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If a person is valuable to society through college and what they do afterwards, why should we send back these people? It's like back...18th...17th? 19th? century where countries in Europe decides 'hey! we don't like these types of minorities in our countries! Let's send them away even though they could possibly build factories, invent things, and help this country become great!'
not at all. If a minority is willing to go to college he should be willing to learn our history and achieve his US Citizenship before attending a college. How on Earth is it that an illegal immigrant can go to college without realizing he isn't a citizen or have a visa to our country?

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Old 05-09-2005, 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by E_man3
I think they should be allowed to be legalized. They were brought here agianst their will as young children. They grew up here and the US is the only place they have called home.

Actaully its called the Dream Act.
I keep track of what the Senate is up to.
And it was introduced by Sen. Orin Hatch of Utah Republican.
And this seems to have support from both the Democrats and the Republicans.

The reason it has support is because some of these kids do way better in school than your average american citizen teen.
Thanks for the correction (I actually heard it on Pacific (or i think 820) newsradio station)..

yes its called te Dream act , but what I heard it has the support of many democrats (not sure about republicans)..

either way, its something that no one can say no to..

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Old 05-09-2005, 09:18 PM
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We were all immigrants at some point, except for those who are 100% American Indian (aka native american) so I think immigration rules should be relatively relaxed overal. At least to live and work, citizenship should be something that when you get it, you are truly proud.

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Old 05-09-2005, 09:30 PM
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But they were bought here as minors... children and possibly babies..

should they be punished for something they did not do?



But you know that undocumented immigrants can even go to college... So you are basically saying its the government fault?

Peace,
Yes, the illegals should have been caught long before they went to college. The government needs to control the borders, it needs to keep illegals out. The government has no idea how many illegals are currently here or how many more enter every day. It has to be controlled.
Should they be punished? No. If the system worked the way it's supposed to the parents should have been caught long before the child goes to college and the family sent back home.

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Old 05-09-2005, 09:39 PM
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The government has no idea how many illegals are currently here or how many more enter every day.
Uh... what basis do you have to say that the government has "no idea" how many illegal aliens are here or how many enter? That's a really ignorant thing to say, as there are entire departments devoted to this as you probably know. The government has a much better idea of how many illegal aliens are here than you do.

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