View Poll Results: Is the market saturated?

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  • Too Many "Companies" and too many Hosting CP's

    8 20.51%
  • Too many "Companies", but the Hosting CP's are okay

    9 23.08%
  • Companies are okay, but too many Hosting CP's

    1 2.56%
  • It doesn't bug me...

    5 12.82%
  • WOAH!!! I WANT TO BE A CEO TO!!!!1!1!!oneoneone

    2 5.13%
  • I have my own company, but it's a legal company, and I work hard at it!

    14 35.90%
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  1. #1

    Question POLL: Are we Drowning ourselves?

    Okay, I'm starting to get tired of seeing everyother posters signature with the lines: "Joe Blow, CEO - Jackbutt Enterprises" or "Janie Smith, President - Some Big Sounding Name". Is it just me or is the market getting WAY to saturated with 16 and 17 year olds trying to be god? Also, how come everyone and their mother is writing a hosting control panel now? Are they really that impressive? Let me know what you guys think.
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    first up....

    theres nothing wrong with a 16 or 17 year old being a member or running their own hosting company. I started at a young age. and am very good at what i do. all self tort etc.

    but yes i can see ur point every tom dick and harry are creating a control panel for gaming and web hosting these days.

    thats one the things I havent learnt yet. one day somone will compile a book that I could read then learn to

    I think the market is very open it the web hosting field. but you get what you pay for so people cant really moan if they get down time with there $1 hosting package.

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    Thats not really a bad point. I'm not complaining about the ones that do it right, I'm complaining about the ones that buy a reseller plan for 25 bucks and start calling themselves a CEO or President of some corporation. Running around copyrighting everything they touch. THERE ARE LAWS THAT HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED!!! I just get pissed off when I spend me hard earned money and time doing this the right way, and we got Joe Blow over here with his 45 dollar subscription to BoxedArt pretending he's a god...GRAWHH!!!!
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  4. #4
    Originally posted by Flumps

    thats one the things I havent learnt yet. one day somone will compile a book that I could read then learn to

    there is a book. It's called http://www.php.net/manual.

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    im currently learning PHP

    and im sure you need more then just PHP power to do it

    ah yes I see ur point now, I couldnt qwite grasp wat u was trying to get at ealyer but yeah im on the right lines now.

    plenty of people resell of each other though..i dont see a problem with reselling but I can see a problem, when somone says they done it first and cant prove it. thats when things get a little complicated.

    EDIT: as one of ur options u could have put....too many cowboys and not enough indians lol.

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    All I can say is: Who cares?

    Are they hurting your business?

    Are the other control panels hurting your business?

    Be specific.

    ----

    To code a control panel, like Plesk, it uses PHP and MySQL, but I believe C++ is used to do a lot of the server-side stuff.

    We're also all a reseller. Even if you own a datacenter, chances are you're reselling someone's bandwidth.

  7. #7
    I don't think you lot understand what I'm trying to say. EVERYONE is a reseller these days. I'm not complaining about people selling hosting and/or services. I'm complaining about them being retarded and not going through the appropriate channels...I would love to see one of them have someone sign up and put kiddie porn or something on there, then what happens? You can't sue them because legally the TOS and AUP that they "signed" has no legal value until they are 18. So now it's our fault, just cause we own the datacenter? I don't think so!
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    To code a control panel, like Plesk, it uses PHP and MySQL, but I believe C++ is used to do a lot of the server-side stuff.

    That is correct, although TECHNICALLY you could do it with pure PHP and MySQL, it would create SOOO much overhead it wouldn't be worth it.
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    If the datacenter has a site within one of its servers that is breaking the law, they usually talk right to the owner to get it resolved.

    Also, you calling a group retarded doesn't make you sound too mature either. So what if they don't go through the appropriate channels? Quit whining and use it as a selling point if you believe it's that awful.

  10. #10
    So you don't think that someone would be stupid if they didn't go through the correct procedures for protecting themselves against mishaps? What if someone decided not to get car insurance? If they got in an accident, and they didn't have car insurance, who's fault would that be? Do you think they would be stupid then? I do....
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  11. #11
    Originally posted by Atomic Haven
    So you don't think that someone would be stupid if they didn't go through the correct procedures for protecting themselves against mishaps? What if someone decided not to get car insurance? If they got in an accident, and they didn't have car insurance, who's fault would that be? Do you think they would be stupid then? I do....

    Hardly, as I am sure you know, not all states require insurance. Just because someone doesn't have insurance, doesn't mean its automatically their fault.

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    nor do I intend to imply so, I'm simply stating wouldn't it be better to have your back covered incase of a catstrophe??
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    You know....there are probably enough of these threads to have one for every wht host....Does it really bother you if Person A starts a company, does whatever they feel will work, and fail? How much more do these individuals affect you, than someone that starts a company and succeeds?

    Might as well start complaining about there being a gas station on every corner, sometimes 4 on the same block...Or might as well complain about every other business that doesn't have excessive barriors to entry.

    As long as their existance has no major effect on you and your operations (besides possible competition) I don't see the point in complaining.

    You didn't have an option for this but my selection for the poll is...
    "I'm tired of this question."
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    Re: POLL: Are we Drowning ourselves?

    Originally posted by Atomic Haven
    Okay, I'm starting to get tired of seeing everyother posters signature with the lines: "Joe Blow, CEO - Jackbutt Enterprises" or "Janie Smith, President - Some Big Sounding Name". Is it just me or is the market getting WAY to saturated with 16 and 17 year olds trying to be god? Also, how come everyone and their mother is writing a hosting control panel now? Are they really that impressive? Let me know what you guys think.
    1, that can get annoying , "Joe Blow, CEO - Jackbutt Enterprises" or "Janie Smith, President - Some Big Sounding Name" but wh ocares they can put just about anything they want in thier sig...just ignore it and don't let it bother you

    2. no i don't think so i am only 16 (almost 17) but so what, whats the diffrence between me running a hosting company and a 57 year old running a hosting company? as long as i have means to support it finachally so it doesn't go under....their are alot of hosting companies but just like that commerical for some new company thats is simular to UPS..ican't think of the name but it says..."competition, good for you, bad for them" or something like that, and the same goes for hosting really cometition in any industry is good for consumers, and can be bad for the compaies if they don't distinguish themselves.....with Extreme Host it's that we aren't in it for the money...but rather the customer...many other hosting companies don't seem that way...and our low prices help too....

    3. As for control panels...their are alot..companies think thats so impressive saying we got a powerful proprietary cp....but really i bet cPanel is beter....aside from that i can see maybe like a secondary cp for account managements unique to that host or something....

  15. #15
    I'd bet there are at least 20 active posters here, that run a web business. I'm one of them... look around, there's plenty. It doesn't matter what age you are when you run a business. What does matter is your goal in it, what effort you're willing to put forth, your honesty, and your parents' consent. A knowledgable 15-year old with his parents' help is far better than a 57-year old who has issues finding the start button. see: kiddiehost.com <-- Not Safe, no nudity/language however. A man in a diaper.

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    Kids, it's called a DICTIONARY. Learn to spell, for heaven's sake.

    That is what annoys me the most... putting posts out there under a company name, saying "woo-hoo, I'm all self-taught" but these same people can't spell financially, earlier or what properly.

    If you're going to be a professional and expect to be taken seriously, Lesson #1 is, act the part. It starts with spelling. Spend less time screwing around with the toys and a little more time paying attention in class. Really, the basics do count.

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    Do I think the market is saturated with viable, reputable, real businesses? Absolutely not. I see a lot of hobbies, and a select but strong cadre of truly professional businesses. The key is educating consumers how to tell between a hobby, and a business, ane ensuring that the consumers who need business-class hosting, get it.

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    Originally posted by bithost(NET)
    Kids, it's called a DICTIONARY. Learn to spell, for heaven's sake.

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    Oh, I know there are a few gifted ones. And to hear flump tell it, he started when he was "young" and is all "self-tort" so who knows his real age, he could be 13 (because "young" would be 8, eh?) or he could be 25 (*gasp*)... ROFL.

    Whatever. If people want to be taken seriously, they need to start by being serious about themselves.

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    haha.. I don't think we're an oversaturated market but I must agree it is surprising the number of "under age" professionals. I started before I was 18 so I can't bash that group but when I started it cost a LOT more than it does now. You can simply setup a reseller program now for a few $$, and buy a website template and be your own host. It's just much easier to do this now than it was say.. 9-10 years ago.

    I personally find it flattering to see so many younger people involved in this industry. It used to be common for UNIX shell companies to be run by younger professionals but it's definitely becoming a lot more common within the past few years in the web hosting industry.
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    I myself am a younger webhost. I've asked questions read many posts on this forum, read books and began teaching myself. I started with a reseller account and now I own my own servers. I do not have a large client base. I do not sell $3 packages and then disappear into the night. If younger people are hurting your business perhaps you should take a look at your business practices, it might not be because your being underbid....


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  21. #21
    So then how old do you think you should be to create a small, one man hosting service? 15? 18? 21? I think somewhere around 20 is a good idea, because if your still in school, then a one person hosting operation makes no sense. You can't offer your users support during school!

    USER: "Hey Joe, I've just deleted some file and I want to get it back"
    JOE BLOW: "What file?"
    USER: "php.ini"
    JOE BLOW: "Well I'll might have time to run up to the library and get on a computer during the passing time between PE and Physics."
    USER: "How long is that?"
    JOE BLOW: " 5 Hours, see ya, don't want to miss English!"
    USER: "$#%#$)#@(@*#)%($"

    See??? True story. I swear....
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    Well, good point but that is not always the case. What if the person is home or cyber schooled? There would be that flexibility to run the business full-time if that's what he/she chooses to do.
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    Do you think we would see as many fly by night companies if WHT wasn't around?

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    Probably not as many.. but I'm sure there'd still be some. This is a good resource for startups but I've also seen a lot of bad advice given.

    It does show quite a bit of influence though.
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