Page 1 of 6 1234 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 129
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,461

    Why do you guys want more competition ??

    Let me tell you a little story... There was a small book printing company. They made a book and printed it like a couple of thousand times. One day the owner of the company died and now the company was sitting on like 10 tons of books. My dad figured it would be a good way to make some cash so he bought around 2 tons of the books at $2 each. Then he sold them for $40 each. He was making a good deal of money but he made a mistake: He told his friend about the books. And soon enough 4 other guys bought the other 8 tons of books and sold them at the same market. It ended up with my father not beeing able to sell the books anymore as they started selling them for like $2. Now whenever I visit my dad I am laughing about 1 ton of books in his living room... Looks really funny especially considering that when I visit him in 20 years he will still be sitting on 1 ton of these ****ing books.

    Now what I am seeing here is that whenever someone asks if it pays off to open up a new hosting company you guys are like: "Sure, why don`t you just offer the same as me but 20% cheaper ?? I definitely need some more competition because it is so boring if it is so easy to make all the cash with just 5 million competitors around". Ok guys, believe me: YOU ARE DOING A MISTAKE !!!! If someone asks you whether it pays off you should say "HELL NO !!" and whenever someone asks you whether they should advertise on Adwords you tell them "HELL NO !!". I mean do you hate money ? Do you want to go bankrupt or what is your problem ? Although this market is oversaturated like hell you still get some customers. Ok, that is right. But if you continue to tell people: "Hey, why not open another shop right next to mine" you are gonna **** this thing up for yourself and others !! I mean for real - think about it: If you advise someone to get your competition what do you gain from it ?? NOTHING !! What do you lose ?? THOUSANDS OF POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS !! Doesn`t it make extremely much sense not to motivate other guys to get into the hosting biz ?? So I'd really appreciate if in the future you guys would act a little bit more intelligent in regards to this, ok ? It is just for your own good.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    London, UK
    Posts
    9,039
    Because if you offer reseller accounts your probably going to make money out of these people who ask if the industry is profitable.

    They start up, buy reseller space from you for 6 months and then disappear.

    Its better than saying "no the industry has no room for you" and not taking any of their money
    Matt Wallis
    United Communications Limited
    High Performance Shared & Reseller | Managed VPS Cloud | Managed Dedicated
    UK www.unitedhosting.co.uk | US www.unitedhosting.com | Since 1998.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,461
    But what if they will grow big ? One big competitor can harm you more than 100 reseller accounts will make you in 6 months.

  4. #4
    you gain self worth and the satisfaction of helping people. Not everyone is a greedy ******* you know...

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,461
    I do not understand why people offer reseller accounts or dedicated servers (unless you own a DC, of course) in the first place. It simply doesn`t pay off. You make 20 bucks instead of 5 you are making from a normal customer but then this reseller is gonne take away 20 of the customers who would have paid you $5 each.

  6. #6
    the reseller could be selling to a different market, and is getting costumer's that probably never would have found you. Your post count doesn't represent your intelligence about web hosting.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    London, UK
    Posts
    9,039
    Originally posted by thomas.smith
    But what if they will grow big ? One big competitor can harm you more than 100 reseller accounts will make you in 6 months.
    Again, I disagree.

    - Reseller startup's
    - Established / Medium hosts
    - Big hosts

    Are all on different terms and appealing to different customers. I dont feel threatened by small newbie's just as I dont feel threatened by big players such as oneandone.

    You have to think logically and not be worried by hosts in totally different levels of the game.

    Many factors determine why a customer shops with which level fo host, and there is plenty for all.
    Matt Wallis
    United Communications Limited
    High Performance Shared & Reseller | Managed VPS Cloud | Managed Dedicated
    UK www.unitedhosting.co.uk | US www.unitedhosting.com | Since 1998.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,461
    >you gain self worth and the satisfaction of helping people. Not
    >everyone is a greedy ******* you know...

    Great...what does that buy me ?

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    London, UK
    Posts
    9,039
    ne big competitor can harm you more than 100 reseller accounts will make you in 6 months.
    P.S. 100 reseller accounts for 6 months is big money. I'll take that over convincing someone they shouldnt be in the business anyday!

    Reason?

    I concentrate on my own business and own customer base more than I look and worry about the competition.

    You should do the same as your obviously extremely worried by anyone considering entry to the market?
    Matt Wallis
    United Communications Limited
    High Performance Shared & Reseller | Managed VPS Cloud | Managed Dedicated
    UK www.unitedhosting.co.uk | US www.unitedhosting.com | Since 1998.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,461
    Originally posted by UH-Matt
    Again, I disagree.

    - Reseller startup's
    - Established / Medium hosts
    - Big hosts

    Are all on different terms and appealing to different customers. I dont feel threatened by small newbie's just as I dont feel threatened by big players such as oneandone.

    You have to think logically and not be worried by hosts in totally different levels of the game.

    Many factors determine why a customer shops with which level fo host, and there is plenty for all.
    Think about it: Where do small hosts advertise ? Where do you advertise ?

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,461
    >P.S. 100 reseller accounts for 6 months is big money.

    Well, maybe 10 to 15k. But what does a large hosting company cost you ?? Maybe multiple times that much.

    >I concentrate on my own business and own customer base
    >more than I look and worry about the competition.

    You are making a mistake here...believe me. I know you got a lot of customers and it doesn`t come from nothing but times change... Believe me. There are two things to determine how successful you are:
    1. Your own strength
    2. Your competitors strength

    The better you are and the worse your compeition is the more money you will make in the end so that are the two things to focus on in business: Making yourself strong and keeping the competition weak. Look at Bill Gates: He realized that keeping the competition down is even more important than fixing your own bugs and he has tons of cash. Sounds extremely ****ed up but it is the truth.

    >You should do the same as your obviously extremely worried by
    >anyone considering entry to the market?

    I am extremely worried about absolutely everything that could turn into a problem once and that is the right way to do business. In the end it is going to pay off for me.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    292
    So I'd really appreciate if in the future you guys would act a little bit more intelligent in regards to this, ok ? It is just for your own good.
    Your entire post was appalling and disgusting. Just ATROCIOUS! Where on earth are you from? I've read a lot of your posts before and I must say you have got to be a schizo. The obvious is stated in your post and everyone already knows this. This would apply to all forms of businesses out there, however, as UH-MATT said, instead of being so paranoid on who's going to "steal" your "potential" clients work on getting those potential clients.

    Anyhow, negative energy is the last thing any company should have on their mind. I'm not sure if you are aware of the saying "Greed Turns Out To Be Bad Business ".

    Open your mind a little and relax, you'll live longer.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,461
    The thing that people find disgusting about what I say is that it is real you know. There is nothing more disgusting and disturbing than the truth... But you either have to live with it or lose.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    292
    The thing that people find disgusting about what I say is that it is real you know. There is nothing more disgusting and disturbing than the truth... But you either have to live with it or lose.
    As UH-MATT stated in your other thread, your WRONG! once again, however, you are entitled to your own opinion. What is disgusting is your attitude, personality and character. Yea, he drives a porsche, and you are saying he could drive 25 Ferraris. Does he need 25 Ferraris?

    I feel sorry for you and for whoever has to marry you. You will be one awful husband to have. If I were your wife, i'd be horrified to sleep beside you at night. Who knows what you'll try to get my insurance money. I think you should take some of that 10K you make a month and seek some mental help. I'm not sure if the others see what I see in your Character.

    I'm not trying to come off as rude or offensive, however, the sooner you realize your problem the better for you.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    24,027

    Re: Why do you guys want more competition ??

    Originally posted by thomas.smith
    . . . So I'd really appreciate if in the future you guys would act a little bit more intelligent in regards to this, ok ? It is just for your own good.
    It's a funny biz we're in. I know with HTTPme, I started off hosts who now have 10+ servers. So in essence, I was breeding my own competition. I keep in touch with a few of them, and trade tips etc. There's no feeling of competition there at all.

    But the market is huge and vast that I'm not effected by that. Someone has to start those hosts off, and it may as well have been me.
    WLVPN.com NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider
    Increase your hosting profits by adding VPN to your product line up

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,461
    >I feel sorry for you and for whoever has to marry you. You will
    >be one awful husband to have.

    I'm not asking you to marry me !! I am asking you all to stop destroying the little piece of the cake in this business that is left for us to share.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,461

    Re: Re: Why do you guys want more competition ??

    Originally posted by Aussie Bob
    It's a funny biz we're in. I know with HTTPme, I started off hosts who now have 10+ servers. So in essence, I was breeding my own competition. I keep in touch with a few of them, and trade tips etc. There's no feeling of competition there at all.

    But the market is huge and vast that I'm not effected by that. Someone has to start those hosts off, and it may as well have been me.
    You built that business and sold it so I guess you do not have to be afraid about not beeing able to pay your rent. But I do because I haven`t yet "cashed my chips". That is why I am really concerned about my piece of the cake. If I had like 500k to a million I wouldn't be concerned about anything...but until then...

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Feb 2002
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    24,027
    Originally posted by thomas.smith
    . . . I'm not asking you to marry me !! I am asking you all to stop destroying the little piece of the cake in this business that is left for us to share.
    It's ok Thomas. Deep breaths now. Breathe in . . . hold one two. . . and breathe out . . . .

    There's still enough cake out there with these nasty hosts selling reseller accounts and dedicated servers.
    WLVPN.com NetProtect owned White Label VPN provider
    Increase your hosting profits by adding VPN to your product line up

  19. #19
    Thomas, it is definitely time for a vacation.

    I find it hilarious that 90% of your posts here are requesting advice on how to run your company or deal with your customers, then you turn around and badmouth everyone giving you free advice. I'm curious where you would be without WHT.

    The hosting market is enormous. If another 1,000 hosts spring up tonight, it's not going to affect my business or yours one bit. Why? Because there are millions of sites out there that need hosting and far less web hosts. My customers aren't going to jump ship when they find another host 20% cheaper than me. They would have done that a long time ago if price was the deciding factor, but it's not.

    You're completely wrong about reseller accounts. Hardware costs nothing. You can get 200GB hard drives for around $100. That's 100 2GB reseller accounts. SUPPORT is what costs time/money. On a $35/month reseller account, I am supporting one customer. On $35 worth of shared hosting, I have to support 7 customers. The reseller may get an extra 250MB over the 7 shared accounts, but my cost is way way WAY lower. I'll take the reseller any day, thanks.

    This industry is not a little piece of cake. It's a cake the size of Texas and there is plenty for everyone. It's ok to share your cake.

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    292
    It's ok Thomas. Deep breaths now. Breathe in . . . hold one two. . . and breathe out . . . .
    Hahahaha

    If your claiming to make $10K a month that's $120,000 a year which is some really good money considering you are to greedy to hire someone to help you out. So, you are pocketing $120K a year, stop whining. This should be moer then enough to pay the rent.

    Anyways, it doesn't seem like you have any goals or plans on making this money for your future children. Wouldn't you want to give your children a better life then what you had/have. I think you just want to have those 25 Ferraris and 10 girls in bikini's serving you food all day However, it should be evident that you have no intentions on having children with such greed.

    Money does not bring happiness, satisfaction or peace at mind. It may make you happy for awhile. Nevertheless, in the end when your sitting in your hot tub you will realize you have no one to share your wealth with, everything will seem pointless. Big deal, you'll die with $10million in your bank Hurray!

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    5,783

    Re: Re: Why do you guys want more competition ??

    Originally posted by Aussie Bob
    It's a funny biz we're in. I know with HTTPme, I started off hosts who now have 10+ servers. So in essence, I was breeding my own competition. I keep in touch with a few of them, and trade tips etc. There's no feeling of competition there at all.

    But the market is huge and vast that I'm not effected by that. Someone has to start those hosts off, and it may as well have been me.
    You just have to learn to grow with them not against them.

    There are hosts that started off with me as resellers that now have over 10 servers of their own, but their 10 + servers they have are leased from me.

    Someday they will be ready for colo and when that time comes I intend to be there waiting to supply them with that also.

    Instead of worrying about competitors learn to leverage it for your own growth, lots of oppertunity out there if you supply a product that is needed.
    It is only a problem if you limit your yourself, if your dad had of seen the demand he could sold the books wholesale to the guys that he told about it and still made a mint. Instead he got greedy and always wanted to make $40.00 one book at a time.

    Besides I get a kick out of seeing a someone start from ground up and grow something.

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Posts
    292
    Instead he got greedy and always wanted to make $40.00 one book at a time.
    That's what will happen to thomas. I guess the saying is true: "like father, like son" he was born to be greedy.

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,461
    First of all I am not pocketing 120k a year. That is revenue. Not profit and I am spending most of the money on advertising. I will need to outsource the support now as I can`t handle it anymore. However, even if I made 120k a year: What if the business breaks down in two years ? I would not have enough money for the rest of my live.

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    5,783
    Originally posted by thomas.smith
    First of all I am not pocketing 120k a year. That is revenue. Not profit and I am spending most of the money on advertising. I will need to outsource the support now as I can`t handle it anymore. However, even if I made 120k a year: What if the business breaks down in two years ? I would not have enough money for the rest of my live.
    Sell now take $80 grand or so and go invest in the stock market.

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    London, UK
    Posts
    9,039
    With all due respect I think you need to go lie down thomas. Your not making any sense and with views like your's your probably best of not in the hosting industry, for your own sake.
    Matt Wallis
    United Communications Limited
    High Performance Shared & Reseller | Managed VPS Cloud | Managed Dedicated
    UK www.unitedhosting.co.uk | US www.unitedhosting.com | Since 1998.

Page 1 of 6 1234 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •