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    * Microsoft’s Longhorn has spyware plan :: A black box

    PERVASIVE SOFTWARE giant Microsoft says that it is planning to install spyware into the next version of Windows to help it work out why its operating system crashes.
    According to Cnet, Chief Volester, Sir Bill Gates announced a plan to install a 'black box’ recorder into Longhorn. Then when the operating system crashes it will send details to Redmond as to what you were doing when the crash happened.

    The black box will be built on the Watson error-reporting tool, but will provide Microsoft with much deeper information, and even the contents of documents that were being created.

    Don’t fear, Gates told the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC), businesses will be able to switch the thing off and home users will be able to tell Vole how much data they want to send. Reporting will also be anonymous.

    http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22833

    Maybe a good idea but perhaps a poor precedent to set.

    Is this the way to go for crash prevention?

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    What if you use your computer for your home computer for business? I guess hefty Bill Gates is looking for a good lawsuit of home businesses with a lawsuit of "corporate trespassing". I also disagree with this because i'm usually storing my passwords in encrypted .doc files.
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    they pretty much do this already, so whats the big deal?

    Then when the operating system crashes it will send details to Redmond as to what you were doing when the crash happened.

    better hope it wasnt a porn browser crash
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    Originally posted by LaurenStephens.com
    they pretty much do this already, so whats the big deal?

    Then when the operating system crashes it will send details to Redmond as to what you were doing when the crash happened.

    better hope it wasnt a porn browser crash
    Perhaps they are going to take more responsablity when the software does crash, which would mean they then would have to look at compensation for loss and damage, in other words if the software crashes in the midle of my pornware browsing experience, then Microsoft should for a period of time supply me with free porn.

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    Originally posted by TheDoctor
    Perhaps they are going to take more responsablity when the software does crash, which would mean they then would have to look at compensation for loss and damage, in other words if the software crashes in the midle of my pornware browsing experience, then Microsoft should for a period of time supply me with free porn.

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    Personally, I believe quite strongly that it's a blatant invasion of privacy. At least with the current reporting service the user has the option to START or CANCEL the error reporting, with this black box, its either ON or OFF. (and many people may not know how or why to turn it off).
    Microsoft are offering a product, they should have carrying out diagnostic tests beforehand to ensure the least possibility of systems crashing.
    This kind of crash analysis is un-justified and (although you can turn it off) why should you have to put up with it?

    Obviously, its their product and so they are free to do with it what they wish but I can't see myself buying a system which is to have a black box in it.

    I'd rather take the learning curve to Linux or another operating system (which I'm planning to do anyway incidentally)

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    You are getting this stuff from the inquirer? Hardly a reliable source. This functionality is also built into other programs...for example, Firefox has the Quality Feedback Agent, and if I remember correctly, the JVM also has this built in to it.
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    Originally posted by fyrestrtr
    You are getting this stuff from the inquirer? Hardly a reliable source. This functionality is also built into other programs...for example, Firefox has the Quality Feedback Agent, and if I remember correctly, the JVM also has this built in to it.
    http://news.com.com/Microsoft+to+add...3-5684051.html
    http://software.silicon.com/os/0,390...9129862,00.htm
    http://stuff.techwhack.com/archives/...n-longhorn-os/
    http://www.dvhardware.net/article4709.html

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    Originally posted by LaurenStephens.com
    they pretty much do this already, so whats the big deal?

    Then when the operating system crashes it will send details to Redmond as to what you were doing when the crash happened.

    better hope it wasnt a porn browser crash
    because porn is illegal right?

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    porn isn't illegal, but I wouldn't want Microsoft knowing what i'm looking at because back in my mid teens I would download a few hundred MB of porn, but no i'm not the worse. I know kids who would have several hundred GB of just pictures and would sell them at school for a price. LOL
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    The fact that the content which caused the crash was porn wouldn't be a problem... the fact that you're transfering a few hundred MBs worth (or even more) of porn to Microsoft so they can do error debugging is... well, distrubing. C'mon, find your own porn guys... Don't use your customer's bandwidth to get them to find porn for you...

    I think this option should come default off, then there wouldn't be so much complains... but knowing microsoft, they'll just go: "Oh noes, we can't keep this default off..."
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    well its not just pornography that is a concern for me since I barely browse such sites anymore. The main concern I have is my inventions, ideas, etc being compromised by Microsoft. I have a friend that was inventing a Operating System called "cr0nix", now what if his program crashed and someone at Microsoft stole some of the code? may I ask whom would be responsible for this trespassing? I believe its time to start sending Microsoft some hate mail through their contact form.
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    Originally posted by Umbongo
    because porn is illegal right?
    heck no

    im all for porn

    only "certain kinds" though
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    If you don't like it, don't buy it.

    I'm sure Microsoft only has the operating systems quality in mind.

    This reminds me of the Google fiasco.

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    nah joe7, i'll do wait until hackers figure out how to remove it from the os.
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    That will happen within a week I'm sure.

    These error reporting systems have there uses though.

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    Originally posted by Joe7
    I'm sure Microsoft only has the operating systems quality in mind.
    This is the only reason it is being implemented. No matter how much some people would like to think Microsoft are evil and trying to take over the world they aren't. They just want to improve their product. People get crashes for all sorts of reasons as windows is used for such a wide variety of tasks, on all kinds of combinations of hardware using all sorts of different software.

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    Microsoft want to build it in like IE, then no hacker will get rid.

    And if you re4ad it, its says that YOU decide how much information is sent, so theres no chance of MS stealing code from an OS they could write in their dinner hour.

    Everyone needs to stop hatin on MS, And Kerry, calm down....you're too paranoid.
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    doesn't windows already have this?


    heck no

    im all for porn

    only "certain kinds" though
    not all casual porn browsers look at snuff / peddo stuff.
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