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    Internet radio?

    Does anyone have any idea the amount of bandwidth someone needs to operate an internet radio station?

    Is it better to operate on a dedicated server or can you use a vps?

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    Nygg,

    Using a VPS is actually no problem - as long as you keep it within the bandwidth limits.

    You can use the following calculator to find out how much it will use:

    http://www.casterclub.com/bw_calc.ph...=monthly_usage

    Let me know if you have any other questions.
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    Depends on the quality you stream at. MP3 quality is around 12k/s.
    So far I have not needed to make 31 posts thanks to the search function.

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    HP-D:

    I had a feeling I was going to hear from you. LOL!

    You probably know my plans.

    Here's the deal:

    I want to be able to broadcast (live from my end) through the host, and on to the the end user.

    I heard SAM might be the best for software.

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    Also:

    I have no idea how to calculate. Bits?

    I imagine 200+ listeners per day. Maybe more?

  6. Hi nygg,

    The first thing you'll want to do is determine the quality of the music you would like to stream.

    Popular choices are 128kbps, 96kbps, 64kpbs and 54kbps.

    Secondly, you will want to consider the maximum number of listeners you would like to be able to tune in at any moment.

    You will then be able to approach a host with the required information for them to create a quote.

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    Nygg,

    Sam3 is quite decent - I use it everyday for one of the station's I run.
    It is the 'best bang for your buck'.

    Just a note - 200 listeners a day is one thing but what really matters is how many listeners you have at a time.
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    I want "quality" when doing my live broadcasts!

    How much bandwidth is needed if you have 1-5000 listeners tuning in to the show per night?

    300? 400? 500gb?

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    I think this might be more of an issue of what SPEED of data transfer you have allocated than the overall amount.
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  10. Hi nygg,

    With 5000 listeners simultaneously tuned into your show (listening at 128kbps), the server will be transmitting nearly 300gigabytes every minute.

    If you’re starting a new station it’s best to be conservative until you have a good idea about how many people are listening to your broadcast. I suggest you start with listener cap of about 40 simultaneous listeners and take it from there.

    Of course, if you have strong indications about interest of your station, you may want to adjust the numbers.

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    Originally posted by HP-David
    You can use the following calculator to find out how much it will use:

    http://www.casterclub.com/bw_calc.ph...=monthly_usage

    Let me know if you have any other questions.
    Cool tool HP-David. Thanks for the tip.
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    Internet radio is bound to consume a lot of bandwidth. You will have to take for consideration that if there are around 500 listeners then you are sure to consume around 100 to 200 Gigs depending upon the access speed.

    It would be much better if you go for the dedicated server rather than the VPS.

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    So in other words, I need at least 3000gb's? About 100gb's per day?

    This is frustrating the hell out of me.

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    HP-D:

    Is your live sales chat down?

    I wanted to talk with you.

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    Also:

    Does it pay to keep business seperate from each other?

    One firm hosts the website, the other hosts the radio station? Links?

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    5000 listeners at 128kbps will be about 4.5GB/minute.

    Realistically, if you target 100 visitors listening for 2 hours a day each, your total bandwidth usage in a month would be around 330GB.

    At 100 visitors, your line utilisation would be around 13mbps. Just make sure your host has sufficient bandwidth to deal with it (they should have)
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    Nygg,

    I wouldn't plan too far ahead with listener counts - start it up to get a better idea of how much bandwidth you'll need.

    If it becomes that massive you'll have no issue funding it.

    Just a note:

    Yes - our livechat was having issues and is now back up Nygg.
    Last edited by David; 04-26-2005 at 11:18 AM.
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    Thanks.

    Just from promotional experiance, the radio project has all the makings of becomming something popular.

    I like to plan ahead and want to make sure that bandwidth is first, available, and cost effective.

    Does it pay to keep things seperate?

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    Internet radio is extremely bandwidth intensive, however uses few server resources.

    To calculate how much bandwidth you'll need: http://www.radiotoolbox.com/online_tools/bandwidth.php

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    Nygg,

    That all depends - I personally host my own stations on my webhosting box and haven't noticed any issues/delays or problems.

    As previously mentioned the resource usage of say a shoutcast daemon - is beyond miniscule and you'll not even notice it running.

    At the same time - as sam3 already uses SQL you can just have it use your remote SQL with your host and save yourself additional hassles of setting up a local copy.

    Theres a few different things you can do to save time and money - and keeping all your eggs in one basket in this case (hosting and the stream itself) wouldn't be a bad idea.

    Just a note: Most shared hosting providers won't allow you to run a shoutcast station on their servers - you'll need a VPS or dedicated solution but you could then host your own sites on the same server, as it'll be using very little resources.
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    Originally posted by nygg
    Does it pay to keep things seperate?
    It depends on what you are planning to do. If you think you will expand your services and add more features and listerns, you might think of seperating the services. Especially if you think you may reach the limitations of a single server and may need to scale your operations to your needs.

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    We host a webradio on a server with burstable bandwith. They use about 50 Gb a month.
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    Originally posted by edelweisshosting
    We host a webradio on a server with burstable bandwith. They use about 50 Gb a month.
    ...must be a really crappy station!

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    As everyone else said, shoutcast hosting isn't the most bandwidth friendly item, it does consome a bit of bandwidth, but thats about it resource wise. We host a few stations and beyound the bandwidth, the scripts themselves to run the radio use close to nill in resouces, so you'll be safe running other items besides the radio on a box so long as you have the bandwidth.

    Also, don't plan too far ahead, as bandwidth is expensive, and you don't want to pay for alot of somethign your not going to use. If your just starting up on a hunch that you'll be liked, i'd plan for around 60 max users at one time for a while till things picked up, then go from there. If alot of people have voiced an intrest in you already, and you know you can bring in the traffic, i'd shoot a little higher, ~ 100 - 150 depending. If your going for quality, i'd go for a 128kbit stream, but also keep in mind if your going to have dialup users (eesh) your gonna need a low quality stream as well (i usually shoot @ 32kbit cause 56k dialup is hardly ever 56k, plus they have other traffic).

    Hope i helped out some, and good luck with your station.

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    I know that this is a bit O.T, but I have been thinking about starting my own online music radio station..... BUT I have a problem HOW do i keep it legal regarding to getting the music ???

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    Amazing thread! Very informative! Are all you guyz millionaires? LOL!

    To me, if you have the resources, go out, purchase the software and find a host thats cost effective and offers the required bandwidth to get things off the ground.

    I plan on marketing the station regionally, and I'm within an hour and half from NYC.

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    Nygg,

    Sounds like a plan - also sounds like it will fit right in with your previous ideas/projects perfectly.

    I would recommend keeping it small to begin with though (No need for some 100Mbit unmetered server somewhere at 10 grand a month from the getgo) - and sam3 is definitely the way to go.
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    HP-D:

    "Keeping it small"................

    That might be a problem. Forget about the proximity of NYC. I'm right in the middle of 6 small cities, all within an hours drive of each other.

    I know my market. I've been promoting in my market for years. The venues, newspapers, and promoters all know me.

    I have dj's. The dj's have the equipment. I have a marketing street team. I have 2 tech-heads that can man the operation. I know the genre of music to broadcast.

    In my opinion, the host is the most important factor. A plan thats cost effective!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Forgot to ask:

    If I broadcast through my computer, is software the only requirement? What about sound card? Hard drive capacity?

    I need to be able to plug turntables/cd's, mixer, and mic.

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    Youll need a sound card of course with inputs if you want to plugin all that stuff, Hard drive capacity would only entail the amount of music you have on your drive, if youre going to be inputting those devices then you dont need to worry about disk space correct?
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    Nygg,

    I would recommend a decent sized hard-drive - espescially if you want to put archives of shows available on the web for download, as you'll want to keep backup copies around.

    120Gigs minimum or so - sam3 itself is small but I assume when you don't have live DJ's you'll want to have a pretty decently sized music library to stream as well so you'll want enough space for that.
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    I'm thinking of broadcasting live for several hours each night. Nothing major! 5 hours tops.

    I just need direction for software (Sam3?), mysql, hosting, and what requirements I need for my pc.

    I've contacted the main publishing organizations about royalties so thats taken care.

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    Nygg,

    I would recommend:

    sam3, p4 2ghz or higher, 1GB of ram with a minimum of 80gigs of storage.

    There really isn't a massive soundcard requirement - it's best to get a mixer and then just a regular soundcard such as an audigy 2.

    There really isn't much need for a card with insane processing power - sam3 handles it well either way.
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    Whats the deal with these stream hosting providers?

    Does the end user have to log onto there site, type in your radio stations web address, and then click to listen? THIS I DO NOT LIKE!

    I know that the cost of the service includes royalty payment to the publishing organizations.

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    Nygg,

    I dislike that as well - it's insane that they require you to use their software to listen in in some cases as well.

    This is why a VPS or dedicated is better - that way you can setup your own shoutcast software, point your broadcaster to your shoutcast and you're ready to go.
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    So in other words, my listeners have to go to there website, type in my radio sites url, find it, then click listen?

    Shoutcast software? Is that Sam3? Do I need a database or does the host provide that?

    This **** is nuts. All I want is the ability to broadcast several hours each night. I want to purchase software/hardware needed for my pc, find the host, then go out and market my station.

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    Sam3 can use shoutcast - shoutcast is something you would install on your VPS or dedicated.

    It's a simple installation - simple upkeep.
    The database would be provided by the host - if you had a shared account and a VPS you could use the SQL on the shared host for sam.

    It's really simple to setup!
    Let me know if you need help with it.
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    Is shoutcast the only available product? And what function does it perform?

    I want to make sure the end user can hear my live broadcast in any format.

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    Nygg,

    With shoutcast any format is basically supported - although you have to setup different links for the different programs to listen through.

    Shoutcast basically streams the content to the users - while you stream the content to shoutcast.

    Think of shoutcast as the hub of a wheel - you're the bike rider pushing the pedals and the spokes are the streams coming out of the hub going to all the different listeners (the wheel which keeps it moving? ).

    Not really the greatest mental image - basically you stream to shoutcast and shoutcast rebroadcasts it all to your listeners.
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    OK.

    I purchase Sam3 and shoutcast. Install Sam3 and shoutcast here on my home pc, then upload shoutcast to the host thats going to stream my music? (you)

    Sam3 and shoutcast, along with whatever hardware (urntables/mixer), allows me to broadcast live via my host. My host provides the space/database for the end user to listen to my live broadcast?

    Ok. I think I got it. LOL.

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