Originally posted by leobounds Well after spending some time reading through the posts about goweb I'm not confortable going with that company.
I'm at CIHost now but am not happy with the network performance.
If anyone has some suggestions for 1U Colo for around $99 a month for 300GB to 1000GB transfer (no 95% percentile) Please let me know.
I would be very thankful
Why is it that you are unwilling to pay 95th percentile? That is how most places bill and would make it easier to find an appropriate provider. Do you have MRTGs so we can see exactly how much bandwidth you're using, so we can make some recommendations on the billing side?
Originally posted by leobounds There's a big difference in going over 300GB at $1 per GB overage and having some strange 10MB spike a few times in the month in the 95th and getting a huge unexpected bill of a few $300 more.
What I want to avoid is unexpected "spike" charges
For that to affect the billing you would need a 10 Mbit/sec spike that last one and a half days... 95th percentile is more friendly to short spikes than per GB billing is. In 95th, a 10 hour spike won't be billed, while in per GB every single GB will be counted. In a 95th percentile environment, a 30 hour 80 Mbit/sec spike will not cost you anything, while in a per GB setting that will put you at 1000GB, and you're well over your 300GB level.
Originally posted by leobounds I wasn't meaning to start a flaming thread about Goweb btw.
I'm still trying to decide where I want to colo in Chicago though.
If someone is able to give you the billing platform you require then they are someone to be considered. Most providers in Equinix ORD won't be able to offer you service because they bill on 95th (and in turn pay on 95th to their upstream providers). You might want to look at Coloquest @ L3's facility or CIFNet @ Switch and Data.
http://www.serveraxis.com seems to have a per 100GB billing method. $35/U and $10 per 100GB seems like an excellent deal, especially located on SteadFast Network who imo is one of the best in Chicago (Level3, Savvis & BtN).
Originally posted by CyanoX Peer1 is actually linked to many other providers. I don't remember off the bat what they are but I think it includes MCI & Global Crossing if I'm not mistaken. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
GOWebman is still only singlehomed to peer1, if peer1 for whatever reason has an outtage in chicago all of gowebman will be down. This is what i think he meant by mentioning the fact that its a single homed connection.
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I just searched through my inbox history and on February 20th, they replied saying that "now we have Peer1 and BTN GigE but both have MCI in their BGP." That was when I asked why some of my routes went over MCI when I figured they were only single homed to Peer1. I'm not sure what other providers, in addition to MCI, are in Peer1's BGP though. I was also told Level3 was coming soon but I'm not sure if that was ever added.
Originally posted by CyanoX I just searched through my inbox history and on February 20th, they replied saying that "now we have Peer1 and BTN GigE but both have MCI in their BGP." That was when I asked why some of my routes went over MCI when I figured they were only single homed to Peer1. I'm not sure what other providers, in addition to MCI, are in Peer1's BGP though. I was also told Level3 was coming soon but I'm not sure if that was ever added.
From what I can tell, they do not have their own ASN, thus can't be multi-homed. I'm not sure how their network is setup, but I doubt it is using two providers, unless someone can show me their ASN.
Originally posted by KarlZimmer From what I can tell, they do not have their own ASN, thus can't be multi-homed. I'm not sure how their network is setup, but I doubt it is using two providers, unless someone can show me their ASN.
According to ARIN they do have an ASN, number 31849. It's even referenced on some pages as being a peer at EQUINIX Chicago (do a google for "gowebman 31849"). However, it doesn't look like any prefixes are associated with it, at least not according to FixedOrbit's report for that ASN. Checking at various looking glasses returns exactly the same result: no prefixes associated with the ASN. Like yourself, I find claims of their being multihomed to be highly suspect (even more ironic because their web page touts BGP as the reason they're redundant and survivable).
I'm glad I found this thread before I started seriously considering them for my colocation needs.
Originally posted by moosh28
looks like its not in use.
That is exactly the URL at FixedOrbit I tried to link to when I originally replied. Unfortunately, I found that I'm at "super-n00b" level on the forum due to my low post count and thus prohibited from linking to outside websites (even this reply was blocked the first time around because I had a URL quoted ). So thanks for posting it, hopefully other people will find FixedOrbit to be as useful as I do.
Originally posted by moosh28 well, FO is not always an accurate reading...but useful in conjunction with other resources.
True, it does lag behind events in the global BGP table (for example) by anywhere from 24-168 hours, which is why I hit two or three of the big looking glass sites when I'm checking something out and want known-current information. But for folks who've never had to delve into the realm of debunking vendor claims of multihoming, peering and the like I would be hard-pressed to find a more user-friendly interface to introduce them to.
And hey, sometimes quick-and-dirty is enough to get the job done, right?
Originally posted by Feren According to ARIN they do have an ASN, number 31849. It's even referenced on some pages as being a peer at EQUINIX Chicago (do a google for "gowebman 31849"). However, it doesn't look like any prefixes are associated with it, at least not according to FixedOrbit's report for that ASN. Checking at various looking glasses returns exactly the same result: no prefixes associated with the ASN. Like yourself, I find claims of their being multihomed to be highly suspect (even more ironic because their web page touts BGP as the reason they're redundant and survivable).
I'm glad I found this thread before I started seriously considering them for my colocation needs.
I guess I was wrong, they do have an ASN, though if they're not using it I don't see what good it is... It does make you question their multi-homed claim.
Originally posted by KarlZimmer I guess I was wrong, they do have an ASN, though if they're not using it I don't see what good it is... It does make you question their multi-homed claim.
Well, they could always be using an ASN out of private space (AS numbers 64512 through 65535) to speak BGP to their upstream feed, which would allow a multi-homed connection in the sense that they could have diverse paths to two or more different PoPs with the same provider. But that raises a whole new set of questions, like "Why would you do that when best accepted practice is to use a public ASN," and "Why would you pay to register a public ASN if you're going to use an ASN out of private space?" No matter what way you turn it, none of it adds up.
If you factor into the equation the fact that their IP space (22.214.171.124/22, which I admit is something I based solely on the IP address of their web and name servers) is only being announced out of ASN 13768 (surprise, it's Peer 1!)... well.... in the words of the great 8-ball, "All signs point to no," as to the validity of their claims of being multihomed in almost any sense of the term.
Gowebman originall applied for an ASN because they wanted to BGP their Server central connection with Peer 1. what happened was back in march of last year ... their network // operation went to sh*ts and they just deicded to ues Pure peer 1.
Their internap deal also fell through.
The short of it is, yes they do have an ASN but its just there for no reason because they are not going to and are not bgp'ing right now
Avoid this host at all costs. I tried to cancel an order within 24 hours of placing it and got a phone run around. Three calls with "we will call you back" Now that I press the issue im told that I didnt call in, and I can only get credit. The outfit is not worth your troubles.
Threaten to keep my money if I dont retract off WHT eh?
You are already keeping my money. So why not post.
I missed that it was 95th percentile billing. I was looking for in+out. I conceeded my mistake quickly and you jerked me around.
If a customer cancels that quickly there should be recourse even if its a "partial" refund. For administration costs. Whatever...
If your operation is so big you cant return multiple phone messages than you should refund prepaid orders that are cancelled in a reasonable amount of time without incident.
I shouldnt have to leave messages for whoever takes care of billing. How convenient that the people that handle the money arent in, but im sure if your ordering services the calls go through. How about putting them on the phone when the call comes in. Whats the deal with the phone messages when im looking for a simple paypal refund.
Nothing to debate. Period. Your attitude by email spells out problems for others and im glad to let people know. Asking me to tell the "truth" ummm ok.
I hope people look around the web before finding a host.
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This is not the truth, the reason you got the refund was not because of WHT but because of your situetion.
Your sign-up was on 04/30/2005 and on 05/10/2005 you said you are going to send your server soon, then you came today to tell us that we didn't want to refund you within 24hours NO ....?
You should be more careful next time since not many providers will refund you any amount paid as we did, anyway I wish you good luck it's good you are happy now.
This is what you wrote us:
"There was no deception or intent to do any of this. I signed up and missed the most vital of details. I freely admitted this and was more than polite in my inquiries. I understand the policies I agreed to with a simple mouse click, and was simply asking for some understanding in canceling quickly.
The 95th percentile would have kicked my ***, period. I use up to 9mbps at PEAK times in looking at my monthly transfer usage. What am I supposed to do, open myself up to possible overages? I got excited and assumed it was 1000gb in and out. That wasn't the case and I asked for a refund. Not a big deal. I didn't expect to receive it all, or any for that matter, I thought I would ask.
I simply have no experience with 95th percentile and from the info I could gather it appeared to be exactly what I didn't need. I have since put software on my servers to monitor usage but its too late for me to move now knowing I cant keep within the limits.
I would be less than honest if I didn't say that my needs have indeed changed since the order was placed. But that in no way had anything to do with my immediate cancellation of the order. While 4mbps for $99 is an amazing deal I cant take advantage of it. Im now hosting Battlefield 2 which sucks an amazing amount of bandwidth.
Your quality is beyond what I can afford with the usage I am projecting now. I had intended on only hosting CounterStrike which uses a fraction of the bandwidth.
I apologize for my initial responses and harsh tone but I have been seriously injured and disabled in an accident since I placed that orderand have been in a horrible transitional center for the past few weeks and my attitude is complete crap right now.
Its in your hands, I understand whatever decision you make.