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    Is this legal?

    Hi,

    A few days ago I was asked to go to a website, which I was told was a music forum. True it was but after 15 posts you were able to gain access to a music download section. These downloads are all remixes as far as I can tell. Now I checked out the host's website and they say on their first page that they don't have any kind of rules put in place, and that "You can host what you want, whether it be MP3's or Videos".

    I was wondering whether or not this was allowed, as the music still contains other peoples work, and a hosting site with no rules seemed strange.

    Thanks


    -Craig

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    Can you post a link to the hosts website so we can have a look?
    I could tell you a joke about UDP. But I'm not sure you would get it!

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    Is this allowed? I never did it in the original post incase It broke the rules.

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    No do not link to illegal content and no it is not legal to host copyrighted material remixed or not.

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    The host website doesn't contain any illegal material it's the sites it hosts.

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    The name of the host's site is irrelevant.
    The content is illegal.

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    That's all I wanted to know.

    Thanks

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    ummm, where do you guys get your information?
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    Re: Is this legal?

    Originally posted by G04Net
    Hi,

    A few days ago I was asked to go to a website, which I was told was a music forum. True it was but after 15 posts you were able to gain access to a music download section. These downloads are all remixes as far as I can tell. Now I checked out the host's website and they say on their first page that they don't have any kind of rules put in place, and that "You can host what you want, whether it be MP3's or Videos".

    I was wondering whether or not this was allowed, as the music still contains other peoples work, and a hosting site with no rules seemed strange.

    Thanks


    -Craig
    In some places its legal, in others its not. Depends where your from.

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    Originally posted by LaurenStephens.com
    ummm, where do you guys get your information?
    Assumptions I guess. But it's quite obvious that hosting any kind of copyrighted material is illegal unless the copyright owner approved it.

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    Originally posted by Apoc
    Assumptions I guess. But it's quite obvious that hosting any kind of copyrighted material is illegal unless the copyright owner approved it.
    Just because it's illegal in the US, doesn't mean it's illegal everywhere. As John mentioned above, it depends on where the host is located.

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    Re: Is this legal?

    Originally posted by G04Net
    Hi,

    A few days ago I was asked to go to a website, which I was told was a music forum. True it was but after 15 posts you were able to gain access to a music download section. These downloads are all remixes as far as I can tell. Now I checked out the host's website and they say on their first page that they don't have any kind of rules put in place, and that "You can host what you want, whether it be MP3's or Videos".

    I was wondering whether or not this was allowed, as the music still contains other peoples work, and a hosting site with no rules seemed strange.

    Thanks


    -Craig
    What kind of host was that? I mean "no rules" means suspicious and irresponsible to me.

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    Originally posted by Wullie
    Just because it's illegal in the US, doesn't mean it's illegal everywhere. As John mentioned above, it depends on where the host is located.
    I wouldn't know of any country where copyright infringement is legal.

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    Originally posted by Apoc
    I wouldn't know of any country where copyright infringement is legal.
    Sealand is one example that has no copyright laws:

    Sealand's laws prohibit child pornography. Sealand currently has no regulations regarding copyright, patents, libel, restrictions on political speech, non-disclosure agreements, cryptography, restrictions on maintaining customer records, tax or mandatory licensing, DMCA, music sharing services, or other issues; child pornography is the only content explicitly prohibited. At the present time, child pornography is not precisely defined; HavenCo is obeying rules similar to those of the United States, specifically a prohibition on any depiction of those under 18 in a sexual context.
    http://www.havenco.com/legal/aup.html

    There are many places that do not have copyright infringement laws and you cannot enforce them in those countries.

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    Their domain resolves to the USA, and that's where the laws apply since it's hosted there.

    Maybe I should rephrase to "I wouldn't know of any datacenters in countries where copyright infringement is not allowed". There probably are quite a bunch of very small countries that don't have copyright laws, but I doubt they have datacenters.

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    Originally posted by Apoc
    Their domain resolves to the USA, and that's where the laws apply since it's hosted there.

    Maybe I should rephrase to "I wouldn't know of any datacenters in countries where copyright infringement is not allowed". There probably are quite a bunch of very small countries that don't have copyright laws, but I doubt they have datacenters.
    Whos domain resolved to the US? I've just showed you a place that has a datacenter and does not have any copyright laws.

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    Also, do a search on google for "sealand country". First thing that pops up is:

    Sealand is Not a Country
    Discover the reasons why the Principality of Sealand off the coast of England is
    no more independent than your own backyard.

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    Originally posted by Wullie
    Whos domain resolved to the US? I've just showed you a place that has a datacenter and does not have any copyright laws.
    http://www.whois.sc/havenco.com

    Hosted in Delaware, USA.

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    Originally posted by Apoc
    Also, do a search on google for "sealand country". First thing that pops up is:



    I said Place not country. You said this was illegal, I told you that it depends on where it hosted. Play on semantics all you want, but the point is that this may not be illegal and without the info of where the host is located, you have no basis to say it is illegal.

    Originally posted by Apoc
    http://www.whois.sc/havenco.com

    Hosted in Delaware, USA.
    You're clutching at straws now.

    Please point out the reason that a host's website resolving to the US means that their datacenters held elsewhere are subject to the laws of the US.

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    Originally posted by Wullie
    I said Place not country. You said this was illegal, I told you that it depends on where it hosted. Play on semantics all you want, but the point is that this may not be illegal and without the info of where the host is located, you have no basis to say it is illegal.
    It falls under the laws of the UK. "places" don't have their own laws, countries do.

    Please point out the reason that a host's website resolving to the US means that their datacenters held elsewhere are subject to the laws of the US.
    Right so if you're providing hosting near to the UK, you host your own website in the USA?

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    Originally posted by Apoc
    It falls under the laws of the UK. "places" don't have their own laws, countries do.
    Yes and there are countries that do not have any copyright infringment laws. Offhand I don't know which specific countries are counted in this because to be honest I've never needed to know, but I do know they exist. Someone on these forums will be able to shed light on this.

    Originally posted by Apoc
    Right so if you're providing hosting near to the UK, you host your own website in the USA?
    They offer co-location. Are you saying that they tell you your box is held at sealand but they actually ship it to the US for it to be hosted?

    Anyway, why not host a website at a different place? Many hosts around here use a remote location so that their site is still accessible in the event of a disaster/network issue etc.

    The difference between the load speed of a simple site in the US and the UK is mimimal, so there is no issue with where it is hosted.

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    Originally posted by Wullie
    Yes and there are countries that do not have any copyright infringment laws. Offhand I don't know which specific countries are counted in this because to be honest I've never needed to know, but I do know they exist. Someone on these forums will be able to shed light on this.

    Yes and I was saying: I seriously doubt that countries like that have a datacenter. Ofcourse, one could host sites from a home connection in one of those countries, but I also seriously doubt that those (very small) countries have any ISPs, which would mean they have to get their connectivity from foreign ISPs (using satellite connections for instance). That again would mean they have to comply with the laws of the country where that ISP is located.

    If you can show me any country that has no copyright laws, and has at least 1 ISP operating within its borders, I'd be very surprised.


    They offer co-location. Are you saying that they tell you your box is held at sealand but they actually ship it to the US for it to be hosted?
    No, but I also don't see any statement that they will host the server on that island. They state that the laws of Sealand will apply on their services, but it is most likely that they are not aware (or don't want to be aware) that the laws of the country where the machine is hosted applies.

    Hence, they even state that Sealand has its own laws, which isn't true at all. That alone is reason to believe that any other statement on their website isn't true either.

    The difference between the load speed of a simple site in the US and the UK is mimimal, so there is no issue with where it is hosted.
    That's not true. First of all the differences are not minimal and secondly it doesn't make practical sense to host your corporate website in the USA if your hosting services are in the UK (since it doesn't cost that much to host a simple website in the UK).

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    I've just read some more about this:

    The UK doesn't acknowledge the sovereignty of Sealand. Dewie Williams, a press officer with the British Consulate in New York says the British government "does not regard Sealand as a state." A US State Department official (who refuses to be named) says "There are no independent principalities in the North Sea. As far as we are concerned, they are just Crown dependencies of Britain."

    Currently, Great Britain has lost many of their legal cases against Sealand, and do not want to pursue it further, lest they be embarrassed publicly. Meanwhile, other countries are unlikely to assault a property that Great Britain may consider theirs.

    But do the legal arguments matter? ScamDog.com's opinion is that Sealand's legal position will serve as a roadblock to slow down any moves against them, but will not stop the UK and/or the US, should they be sufficiently roused. ScamDog.com maintains that no government can be trusted to honor laws that interfere with their power or money.

    HavenCo will have to build alternative facilities as soon as they can (which they are working on). Also, some good PR will help. In that vein, they are donating free colocation space to organizations that promote free speech, promote human rights, or give voice to oppressed groups. They are now granting free services to Tibet Online. If they add others of this caliber, this will help. Shutting down several well-know benevolent organizations would damage the reputation of the UK or US. This will not stop them if they are serious (they have better PR organizations than anyone), but it will restrain them at lower levels of irritation.

    -----

    Conclusion: they are actually part of the UK, they just don't want to be. If you'd ask me it's just one big scam.

    If the UK would really want to, they could just have HavenCo's fiber optic connection unplugged in London, which would shut down entire Sealand's connectivity.

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    youre assuming that a remix is a copyrighted material when it may in fact not be.

    you guys should not be giving out legal advice and people shouldnt be coming here to seek it.

    every time someone here mentions email or music you guys have a hissy fit and all of a sudden turn into lawyers.
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    It doesn't take a genious to figure out that if the issue was important enough to post here then the remixes are probably of copyright music.

    You don't have to be a lawyer to know simple copyright law.

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