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    Hi,
    I am trying to look for a webhost for a forum i want to startand am very new at this stuff. I am curious what people think of ******.com? Anyone heard of them, had experiences good/bad with this company. The thing is it's really cheap(4.99/mo) with quite a few features that I need and I am wondeirng if it is reliable because I read some reviews on this company and it seems to be one of the best (eg. hosting-review.com). Another one I may consider is hosting with yahoo.com standard package which is 19.95/mo with paypal. Why is there such a big price difference between companies? Others I have also come across are like $30/mo with minimal disk space and bandwidth.
    Thanks in advance for feedback.
    Alex

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    my 0.02 stay away fromg lobat, 1and1, ipowerweb and those companies yes they are big and chea and you will not get ripped off but normaly support stinks, and they change you out the wazzo for small extra features check out the shared hosting offers forum im sure you will find something there
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    You will find good deals in the Shared Hosting and Reseller Account advirtising forum. There are deals posted every day, so you may wanan monitor that. I'm sure others on WHT have opinions to post about different hosts as well
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    alsex, beware of what you read in hosting directories.
    Very few, a small percentage in fact, accurately show who the quality hosts are.
    Most of these "great reviews" and "top host" lists are bought and paid for by the host and have no reflection at all on the actual service.

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    I would not recommend ******. Instead, choose a host that has a good reputation around here, as WHT covers a diverse population of the hosting industry, both hosts and customers.
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    I don't agree with the advice per se.

    It depends on your priorities. There is a bias here to rule out cost as a variable. Will some accept less support for more features? Sure. It's an issue of priorities.

    Is ****** slower to respond to some support requests? Sometimes but they are friendly from what I have seen and they do acknowledge and solve problems identified.

    Some place speed and service at the top of their priority list and are insulted that ****** (and others) would put so many people on a server.

    Please recognize that all valuations are a matter of priorities and you can never ignore the bottom line as a consideration.

    Some folks dislike ix Web Hosting. I used them for years with great success. I could afford occassional (very seldom) downtime with my web hosting needs and didn't want to pay an extra $5-$20 a month for the extra .1% reliability. Some cannot to be as generous about outages and want faster web sites. I could afford it.

    I'm with Site5 now and must admit I find their tech support times and service to be better than ix Web Hosting. My web service is also faster though not astoundingly so. For the same "features" (disk space, data transfer, domain, ip) I pay more for Site5 than I could but I assign a value to the speed, service, and reliability. The value to the speed and service I get is a subjective thing though. For me it's worth it.

    All I'm saying is that it's easy to assign your values to all web hosts and steer people away. ******, iPowerWeb, Host Excellence, PowWeb and others are not tops in all categories but fill niches and must be recognized as such without always completely dismissing them as non-players.

    Until stone tablets come from the web hosting mountain and give us immutable, transcendent review criteria we should be careful not to turn our own preferences into a divine fiat and condemn those who do not fit within our theological construct.
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    When someone comes here asking for advise my assumption is that they need a host for a mission critical site and they want the best service possible.

    Bargain basement hosts are fine for little personal sites or fan sites but if you really want to have your site online or if you rely on your site for profit then spend the extra money now or you will definitely lose it later.

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    Originally posted by blue27
    When someone comes here asking for advise my assumption is that they need a host for a mission critical site and they want the best service possible.

    Bargain basement hosts are fine for little personal sites or fan sites but if you really want to have your site online or if you rely on your site for profit then spend the extra money now or you will definitely lose it later.
    I know you make that assumption. I'm saying not all people need web sites for mission critical applications.

    We don't need to agree violently here. I don't disagree with your criteria for the assumptions made but not everybody is coming with those criteria.

    Here are examples of websites that I have had that are non mission critical:

    Family web sites
    Photo sites to share with friends
    Church web sites

    I don't completely agree that they are bargain basement completely anyhow. If they have a sound backup strategy, good power backup, good environmentals, and other steps taken to protect the data then it's not as if you're going to some guy with a server in his basement and waiting for his hard drive to crash.

    I wanted to be very precise about what I was saying because if somebody says to me: "I need a web host for mission critical data with 15 minute support and the best dang support staff" I'm going to direct him to a different place than if he's willing to accept some limitations to save some money.
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    Hi

    first of all I would like to thank all the responses I really appreciate it. Everybody's responses helped me look deeper into what I really need and want. I apologize and should be more precise with my specifications from the begining to minimize confusion. The purpose of my site, which will include a forum, is for business and need to be reliable and safe. I am quite new to this search for a "good" web host for my needs. I am indeed looking for a good deal but at the same time I am looking for reliability and something that has room for growth in the case that my online business one day may require. I have looked around in the advertisers forum and the "Find a Host > Shared" link at the top of this site and did find some new candidates. THe nature of my business requires quite a generous amount of disk space and bandwidth (no it is not pornography). Anyways I appreciate all advice anyone can provide.
    Thanks again in advance.

    Alex

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    First of all, a advise to you will be "Do not look at the ratings that the top review companies post as most of them are brought to top by paying". The next comes your requirement for a good host. You can get reviews for the hosting companies that you decide upon at the same time you can also check the offers section in WHT and check out for the offers as per your needs.

    Finally when you come around over some final choices then it comes the time to take the final decision. This is the time when you need to check the quality of support with these companies.

    And moving to your earlier question as "Why is there such a big price difference between companies?" Yes there is a big difference and this is because of number of reasons. It is possible that the companies that you were looking at were the resellers or the company is in it's evolution which is why it cannot stand the low priced services or it is possible that the company is operating from another location (outside US, as today US is considered to be the central place for operating in the webhosting business) which makes them hard to operate the business with the costs involved but not sure about your location.

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    OK I'm going to say something and then prepare to be pelted with rocks and garbage for those predisposed to be hostile to what I'm trying to say.

    I'm one of those evil people that offer reviews and, by definition, I am not trustworthy (psst - please don't tell my employer). You can trust the contributors who work for or own various web hosting companies and can profit directly but do not trust sites that collate a bunch of different criteria and do their best to make an informed judgment because, horror, they make money too.

    As to top ratings always going to the top affiliate payers, I can tell you that not all review sites do that nor does it really work that way. I will not go into specifics but the affiliate amount does not reflect positioning for a few reasons:

    1. People are not stupid and can see right through that.
    2. People start to look at metrics and price when they can see all the different criteria and will make up their own mind.
    3. Because of 1 and 2, sites even with a pure profit motive end up having to put the hosting companies with the best apparent features near the top even when they don't earn as much as other hosting companies. In other words, just because you can earn $100 per sale means diddly if you never get a conversion. Conversely, the host that converts regularly might only earn $25 a sale - $25 a sale is better than no sale.

    I can hardly think of a top web hosting company that does not offer an affiliate program because it is such a smart way to build a customer base without paying tons of money yourself without advertising. You guys all know how competitive this industry is.

    Let me just close by saying I really like all the stuff I've learned here. I mostly like the input from people who despise review sites. So even if you don't like me I can take it. One of my motivations for more thoroughly combing the forums is to start to more clearly refine my own criteria. It is very difficult to really discern actual reliability, speed, and service because subjective experiences vary so widely. I'm having to reverse engineer it by sifting through the passion and opinion and differing priorities that so often attend people's opinions. I know I'll never get it perfect to satisfy everyone's judgements but I won't be inadvertently rating something improperly based on my own admitted ignorance of some details.

    For the record, I was using hyperbole above concerning those of you who work for web hosting companies. I do not presume anything but the best of intentions in your contributions.
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    1. People are not stupid and can see right through that.
    If it would only be true...

    2. People start to look at metrics and price when they can see all the different criteria and will make up their own mind.
    Yes, when you put things so that price and features are the most important things, the customer will choose based on that info.

    3. Because of 1 and 2, sites even with a pure profit motive end up having to put the hosting companies with the best apparent features near the top even when they don't earn as much as other hosting companies. In other words, just because you can earn $100 per sale means diddly if you never get a conversion. Conversely, the host that converts regularly might only earn $25 a sale - $25 a sale is better than no sale.
    Excellent, so the ranking depends on overall profit potential rather than the size of the commission alone. In other words, only a very cheap host that offers huge commissions will be "top".

    I can hardly think of a top web hosting company that does not offer an affiliate program because it is such a smart way to build a customer base without paying tons of money yourself without advertising.
    Funny how I rarely find great hosts having affiliate programs. I suspect we're not talking about the same hosts. :|

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    Dan thanks for your reply. I think you missed the point.

    My point about the ranking was not that profit motive determined rankings but that it is not as simple as people imply that "the top payer gets the top place". There are forces that militate against it if you want to include many hosts.

    I'm not going to engage in needless dispute. You're not saying anything I fundamentally disagree with. It's just always the nature of the case with techical solutions that the criteria and decision making becomees very complicated and cannot always be easily determined.

    Your site is another review site that somebody reading the posts would say to themselves "don't even read it because it is a review site." You try to do it with integrity and have good reasons to back up what you say and so you are a proof that there is an exception to the rule. I was pointing out differing ways to look at things. People tend to be myopic and run in herds at times. Just because I don't agree with you or somebody else or that my criteria are different (based on priorities or even ignorance) doesn't make me innately dishonest.
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    Just because I don't agree with you or somebody else or that my criteria are different (based on priorities or even ignorance) doesn't make me innately dishonest.
    I did not meant to imply you're dishonest. Sorry if you felt it that way. I was merely discussing the business model used by many hosting related sites and what it really means.

    In all honesty, if you want to have a growing site, you must maximize profit so that you can afford advertising. Reality dictates that any site that is too idealistic will ultimately fail in some way. Believe me, I know.

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    Returning to ******: all I know is that they have many dissatisfied customers. They are not a company I'd recommend (in spite of the fat commissions they pay).

    I also agree that MOST web hosting review sites simply recommend those companies that pay them, with no regard to the actual reputation of the company. And the sad part is many people don't realize this, which is why companies stay in business that really shouldn't.
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    Returning to ******: all I know is that they have many dissatisfied customers.
    Because they show up on the forums? I really love Site5 but one would get the impression that they stink from some of the posts here. I've only been here for a couple of weeks so I'll have to take your word on the issue. I tried doing a search and find customer reviews but couldn't find any that specifically told any horror stories. Could you find some for me because I am generall interested and not just in the general idea that they're bad.

    the sad part is many people don't realize this, which is why companies stay in business that really shouldn't.
    So the success of the large web hosting companies has nothing to do with marketing or business acumen? I try to shake things up a little bit and am ready for the onslaught but sometimes it is easy to be myopic about technology and forget that, if a web hosting company doesn't know how to stay in business too that you may be looking elsewhere when your favorite host goes out of business. Do you really think that all the web hosting companies that have thousands of customers are only serving people that are too dumb to realize they have horrible service? Perhaps but it's kind of like a bunch of Apple users complaining that the Microsoft and PC users are just a bunch of zombies.
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