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    dedicated ip address, worth it or not?

    some say it holds priority to shared ip addresses when it comes to search engines' spidering or crawling, is that true?

    is there any more benefits i will get for what i pay for a dedicated ip?is it worth it?




    by the way, interland offers a dedicated ip plan for just 7.95usd/m with a not so decent bandwidth of 5GB and 200MB storage, will it be on your recommendation list for a newbie?


    thank you a lot.

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    Re: dedicated ip address, worth it or not?

    Originally posted by putchar
    some say it holds priority to shared ip addresses when it comes to search engines' spidering or crawling, is that true?
    Unless they actually worked for Google it's all speculation and trial and error. I don't think Google would put something like that in their algorithm for rankings.
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    The only time you actuall need a dedicated IP for your site if if you need an SSL certificate. Unless you want that, there is no point. It doesn't give you higher priority on google or anything and as far as I know, SSL is the only real use for it.
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    Dedicated IP

    The only other reason you might need one is that some hosting configurations require dedicated IP for the anonymous FTP function to work properly.

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    SSL, anonymous FTP, virtualized FTP, IMAP, POP3, bandwidth monitoring (certain techniques), anything else you care to virtualize, reverse DNS, etc.

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    As I understand it, the general wisdom among SEO/Google gurus is that an external link will count for less if it comes from the same IP address (or the same class C address - the first three numbers of the IP address). Google ranks each page (partly) on how many other pages link to it (it's a lot more complicated than this - do a search for PageRank to get an innitial idea, but no-one except Google employees actually know how Google ranks their pages).

    What this means for you is this; if you are setting up several websites just to have them link to each other, and in that way boost your ratings, you'll probably want dedicated IP addresses (you'll probably want different hosts), but if you're just hosting a single web page, it'll make no difference at all.
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    Originally posted by sigma
    SSL, anonymous FTP, virtualized FTP, IMAP, POP3, bandwidth monitoring (certain techniques), anything else you care to virtualize, reverse DNS, etc.
    All true, though if the discussion centres on the real actual need for dedicated IPs (as I thought it did) then I still maintain that only the first two have real relevance to hosting customers.

    Also:

    gcornish,

    with regard to the Google trick, you do not need dedicated IPs to do this, I've seen this done by clients very successfully, by simply making sure that the IPs were different the one from the other, not necessarily dedicated. I have also noticed that clients are beginning to abandon this method, anyone know why?

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    Originally posted by TLN1
    I have also noticed that clients are beginning to abandon this method, anyone know why?
    Because it's not working anymore as well. SEO tricks only have a certain shelf life before the search engines start figuring out how to better defeat them.

    A dedicated IP has the utility mentioned above but chief among them is not so you can build lots of sites that link to each other. There are better, longer term ways to achieve relevance in the SE's.
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    Re: dedicated ip address, worth it or not?

    Originally posted by putchar
    some say it holds priority to shared ip addresses when it comes to search engines' spidering or crawling, is that true?

    is there any more benefits i will get for what i pay for a dedicated ip?is it worth it?




    by the way, interland offers a dedicated ip plan for just 7.95usd/m with a not so decent bandwidth of 5GB and 200MB storage, will it be on your recommendation list for a newbie?


    thank you a lot.
    It is not that the search engines cannot find the site which is on the dedicated IP. This is absolutely wrong. When it comes to the benefits of the dedicated IP address, you have great convenience when you use dedicated IP addresses. You can use that IP address for having your own SSL certificate for your website, in case you have sites like shopping website. This can be more impressive for the clients as they feel more secured to shop on your web-site. Whereas when you use the shared IP address in case of a shopping website, the SSL certificate will be display the server name instead.

    Also you can use the dedicated IP address for having the Reverse DNS look-up enabled for your web-site which can be really very helpful to send emails to some of the mail servers which require RDNS for accepting emails.

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    As I commented in a similar thread elsewhere, a dedicated IP also means that your outgoing e-mail from your servers as opposed to using an ISP's SMTP servers won't be blocked because of someone else's misdeeds from the same IP you have.

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    Originally posted by Jim S at Work
    As I commented in a similar thread elsewhere, a dedicated IP also means that your outgoing e-mail from your servers as opposed to using an ISP's SMTP servers won't be blocked because of someone else's misdeeds from the same IP you have.


    What control panel would this be with? Certainly not cPanel, as exim does not do this

    Also you can use the dedicated IP address for having the Reverse DNS look-up enabled for your web-site which can be really very helpful to send emails to some of the mail servers which require RDNS for accepting emails.
    As above, at least in cPanel, the mail still goes out the primary IP address for the server, and the only IP that that is tested for reversal would be the ip address of the connecting mail server, not the domain > ip > domain.


    The only reasons for a dedicated IP are SSL cert install and regular working anonymous FTP. Anything else is really just wasting resources.
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    As far as I know, a dedicated IP does not, or does very little to, impress the search engines. Most search engines place a heavy bias on content, 'fresh' content, and links. Just about everything else has only minor effect. If you're concerned about SEO, check out Search Engine Optomization for Dummies - excellent book.

    The number one reason for having a dedicated IP address is SSL. Followed by RDNS.
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    The number one reason for having a dedicated IP address is only your Domain(s) will use it!

    A Shared IP is like living in an Apt. Building whereas a Dedicated IP is like owning a house; you have total control of what goes on at your place.

    Being able to then setup an SSL, use Anonymous FTP and able to reach your site by IP address (in case you cannot reach it by Domain name URL), are all other good reasons for having / using a Dedicated IP. A Dedicated can sometimes be advantageous when using certain scripts on your site as well.

    As far as SEs go, if they block a Shared IP (for whatever reason) it is no worries to you. If they block "your" Dedicated IP then at least you should be able to figure out why -- knowing no one else is to blame and it must have been something you did.
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    The research I've read and done personally indicates that for SEO / search positioning having a dedicated IP address doesn't matter. If you can get the IP for free, then by all means get it, because its handy to have and it cannot hurt you search engine wise.

    But, if you have to pay extra for it, I'd think twice. There are technical reasons why you would want a dedicated IP address, like for SSL, but for purely working on search engine positioning, I don't think its worth it.

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    Originally posted by WebOnce
    What control panel would this be with? Certainly not cPanel, as exim does not do this



    As above, at least in cPanel, the mail still goes out the primary IP address for the server, and the only IP that that is tested for reversal would be the ip address of the connecting mail server, not the domain > ip > domain.


    The only reasons for a dedicated IP are SSL cert install and regular working anonymous FTP. Anything else is really just wasting resources.
    The RDNS was mentioned over there as there are some of the hosts who do not provide the PTR records. And the PTR becomes necessary in case of sending the emails to some of the servers. One of the most popular example is the AOL servers. If you do not have the PTR records the aol server will not accept your emails.

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    dedicated ip wont help your site increasing your pagerank.

    this kind of algorithm is not logical considering ip addresses are gettings scarce

    besides, im sure google and other search engines uses shared hostings in some of their sites i guess

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