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Old 03-02-2005, 10:54 PM
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Thumbs down Review: 1&1 Internet

In early 2004, I saw a multi-page advertisement in PC Magazine for a new web hosting company calling itself 1&1 Internet. It looked interesting, and of course if something is free, it's worth giving it a try for many reasons. I didn't use the account, though, for anything other than a very rudimentary look-see at their offerings.

Then in November 2004, I began to run into cost issues with my hosting company (Infoquest.com). My SQL Server database was around 75-85 MB, and this pushed my costs past what I was comfortable with monthly. Naturally, I decided to shop around.

I was delighted to find that 1&1 offered what they call 1&1 MS Developer (MS = Microsoft as opposed to Linux servers). The package was far more than I needed, but wow! For $29.99/mo., and no setup fee, I'd get 4,000 MB disk space, 100 GB data transfer, lots of cool add-on programs for newsletters, free software, and 5 free domain names. And best of all -- this price included 200 MB for SQL Server! With their widely touted 90 day money back guarantee, I didn't see how I could go wrong.

This, of course, is the story of how it went wrong.

First, let me take some of the blame myself because there's a few things I obviously overlooked in the fine print, due to my zeal to get a more cost-effective package. But please let me know if you think I'm wrong for putting the rest squarely upon their shoulders.

Where do I start? Since SQL was a big thing for me, perhaps there would be a good point. I quickly learned that the use of SQL Enterprise Manager to connect to the server was forbidden, as a security risk. A built-in query window was available, and worked in a very clunky manner, often timing out. Then came the slowdowns. I have one client who uses the database almost exclusively, logging in from numerous worldwide locations. They reported more problems with the site locking up (due to SQL and ASP) in the three months I was with 1&1 than the entire 18 months prior to that.

As far as setting up my pages, since I had access to more than one domain, naturally I separated them out into their own folders. 1&1's control panel provided for easy identification of which folder goes with which domain. Simple enough, right? So I thought -- until all domains pointed toward whichever site I uploaded last! I was transitioning 2 over to ASP.NET. Support told me that I was not permitted to have more than one page named default.aspx on my hosting account, because "ASP.NET doesn't work that way." To get around the issue, I did some fast Irish-American ingenuity, and the pages were running.

So I decided to take a look at some of these tools, such as the newsletter one. It quite frankly did not produce any more than an error page, and no one in support could provide a reasonable answer in over two months.

Speaking of support ... approximately 30% of the time, their support phone lines will announce that, due to high call volume, you should call back later. An emailed request for support comes back answered either inappropriately or not addressed whatsoever. For example, if you asked why a domain was not pointing towards the correct folder as you set it up, for example, you might receive a cut-and-paste reply including the FAQ link for how to register for a domain.

About two weeks ago, things reached crisis proportions. I was really disappointing my client, since simple tasks were bogged down, and the SQL Server was timing out under a very light load (many people logging in, but not concurrently, and doing only searches). For all the technical resources they claim, one wouldn't expect this.

I did get a new host, which meant of course transferring the domains I had registered with 1&1 to a new registrar, and pointing them towards the new hosting site in the meantime.

Not so fast.

At this writing, I'm still trying to get my domains transferred. When my account was formally canceled, 1&1 reset everything to point to their nameservers. I asked them if, as a courtesy, they would point everything to the proper location while the transfer was underway. They promised that they would; however, nothing has yet happened.

I also called their billing department in regard to the 90 day money back guarantee. I was told that since I'd upgraded from a free account, the refund policy did not apply, as the upgrade was considered as having expended the 90 days. (Their terms & conditions do state this, which I admit I missed at first.) I have a very big problem with them considering two separate hosting packages to be identical, in terms of this guarantee, especially since one was paid, and service was not delivered as promised.

Look at any of their advertisements, and what is first and foremost? Get a free hosting account (this time around, I believe it is 6 months). And down the page, you will see their 90 day refund policy touted.

In my experience, 1&1 is neither reliable nor capable. You would be well served to go elsewhere.

I'd be glad to hear anyone else's experiences and provide any info I may have left out, if it will help you make your decision.

Yours truly,
Bryant

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Old 03-02-2005, 11:06 PM
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Great review and well put together. It’s good to see reviews that are actually put together.

Great job!

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Old 03-02-2005, 11:20 PM
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Thanks for the review. I do hope that you have better luck with the next host.

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Old 03-02-2005, 11:22 PM
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Yes, an excellent review and one that I fully agree with. I too had my fingers burned by them. Was sucked in to the 3 year promo account. After two months of non existent customer support I ditched them. Normally you expect to cancel an account using an online form, but no 1and1 have to be different. I was asked to fax a letter, my drivers license and passport. Screw that I thought, they don`t have my credit card so I just downloaded my files and dumped the account. It`s still alive as far as I`m aware, but I can`t remember my account number anyways.

Trying to reach them is near impossible and extremely frustrating. Email support can take weeks for a reply, or you just won`t get an answer at all. I relied on third party forums for support which is pretty pathetic really. The control panels are painfully slow, like watching paint dry, and yes trying to get a domain transferred is like speaking to a brick wall. It is slower than slow.

An extremely frustrating company, one which I would never go near again. Huh, I shiver just thinking about them

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Old 03-02-2005, 11:28 PM
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Thanks for the review. I do hope that you have better luck with the next host.

Thanks again!
Thanks for your reply and those of others!

I have signed on with HostMySite.com, and they were more helpful with all my questions before the sale than 1&1 ever was after the fact. Actually, they went well beyond the call of duty, in my opinion. They have been of great assistance getting everything set up. Believe it or not, they pointed out how I could rearrange my package and pay LESS. No SQL issues and I can use Enterprise Manager! Now we're just waiting on that domain thing

Please also let me put over Mailstreet.com for MS Exchange hosting. They are responsive, knowledgeable, and provide just what they say they will.

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Old 03-03-2005, 12:01 AM
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Details I neglected to include ...

Sorry that I forgot to include also the following maddening details from 1&1 ... guess I've blocked some things out, thus beginning the healing

They are unable to provide you with your bandwith figures unless you are using Linux. The figures are not available through the control panel, or by contacting support. This is unheard of, to me, particularly as a key billing element.

Likewise, they are unable to provide you with the current size of your SQL database. The two "helpful" suggestions I was given would be to (1) backup and download the database, then see how big it is, or (2) if you get an error that you're out of space, that's how you can tell.

I wish I lived near these guys. I would go ask them if they had two tens for a five, and repeat until they went bankrupt

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Old 03-03-2005, 01:05 AM
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1&1 is awful, they are the type that puts everything into advertising, so they suck in many people, but then do not deliver. 1 bad thing about them is a $9.99/month plan gives you just 1 mySQL database. They are awful and should be avoided. I hope you can get your domains back!

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Old 03-03-2005, 06:10 AM
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I've also been let down by this horrible marketing company known as "2" (type 1&1 in google). It's interesting how they market they products differently in US compated to those in UK.

Their idea is to create a blackhole in the hosting market by attracting lots of customers, so that other hosts will stuggle, but then again they loose them back to the market.

They oversell they packages and their MS SQL is a joke considering their low price. They are good for the first timers who need lots of "free" software (subject to their terms), t-shirt, etc..

I've had nothing but bad experience (similar to those above) with them and will never go back to them nor will I recommend them.

Good luck to those who are trying to get their domains back.

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Old 03-03-2005, 08:07 AM
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At this writing, I'm still trying to get my domains transferred. When my account was formally canceled, 1&1 reset everything to point to their nameservers. I asked them if, as a courtesy, they would point everything to the proper location while the transfer was underway. They promised that they would; however, nothing has yet happened.
For it to succesfully point ONE domain to my new namservers - it has taken from saturday to mid tuesday going through people on the phone giving me different answers. I still have to get the other 4 to succesfuly point there..


When you move your domains is it really that hard to get away?

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Old 03-03-2005, 09:51 AM
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When you move your domains is it really that hard to get away?
When I was still with 1&1, I changed my domain record to point to the new nameservers. An error occured, making the site inaccessible; shortly thereafter, I noticed the nameservers had reverted to those belonging to 1&1. Whether this is due to software failure, incompetence, or malice, it's impossible to tell. I was able to get around this by setting the control panel to forward to the new IP address, which was a temporary solution.

My last request for the courtesy of pointing the domain towards the new location resulted in an email from tech support, in which I was informed that the site is accessible by typing in the IP address. My question wasn't whether anyone could get to the site at all, but the domain registration itself.

For what it's worth, I no longer have access to the support telephone number. It is only available on the web site for those maintaining a current account, and hidden from others. I do, however, have their billing department's phone number, and plan to call them back to follow up with them on yesterday's conversation, where Steve took down my information and promised to make the change for me.

I would recommend that if someone does host with 1&1 that they not take advantage of the domains included with the package. They appear ridiculously difficult (not willing to say impossible just yet) to point elsewhere or to transfer to another registrar. Only the domains which I had purchased previously and separately made it out safely to date.

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Old 03-03-2005, 10:02 AM
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I don't know why sometimes people (including myself), just count pennies. They cheap domains seem to be attractive, but that's just a trap. Once you're in, they won't let go easily.

For just a few dollars a YEAR, I could get a decent host and now I have learned the lesson.

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Old 03-03-2005, 10:20 AM
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It`s not about the pennies. I think most are suckered in because 1and1 are a giant among the hosting companies. Most would assume they have morales about business practises, but clearly to me they have not.

I heard so much about the giant 1and1, I thought I really cannot go wrong with these guys. They are the biggest and the best How wrong could I be.

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Old 03-03-2005, 10:41 AM
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I guess 1&1 anticipated people being unhappy, because they have registered 1and1sucks.net to themselves!

Or perhaps rather than being pre-emptive, they are responding to the folks having registered 1and1sucks.com prior to that date. 1and1sucks.org is also currently registered. Of course, it could simply be a registration for resale value only.

Interesting that when GTE and another company merged to become Verizon, they registered verizonsucks.com prior to the official launch. to prevent anyone from making angry sites about them using the word 'sucks.' Of course, they failed to realize that someone would just go ahead and register verizonsux.com! (no, it wasn't me)

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Old 03-03-2005, 04:38 PM
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I guess 1&1 anticipated people being unhappy, because they have registered 1and1sucks.net to themselves!
One and one are awful, I, a previous customer, make it my mission to spread the word.

love me xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Old 03-03-2005, 05:07 PM
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Re: Details I neglected to include ...

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They are unable to provide you with your bandwith figures unless you are using Linux. The figures are not available through the control panel, or by contacting support. This is unheard of, to me, particularly as a key billing element.

I have 2 free account with them (3 year offer. And there is a newer 6 month offer) and this is maybe my biggest complaint. I need to know my bw figure!! The control panel is the worst ever seen.

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