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[sangeeta]

Can anyone advise me which is the best place to acquire a WmWare GSX server license at most affordable prices?

Thanks.

Sangeeta

[Ww333]

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...ff&sa=N&tab=wf

there is one at the bottom of the page for 3400 USD.

[sshepherd]

Just curious why you want to use VMWare GSX? It has a very high resource usage compared to the linux or windows VPS solutions offered by the hosting industry, not to mention it's relatively expensive to them as well.

If you're planning to use it in a business with your own equipment, then it could be a good match as an enterprise solution.

[Cyberbite]

VMWare Server products have some cool features, like if you use multiple servers that connect to a SAN, you can migrate a virtual server in real time to a second server. This would be helpful if you needed to do maintenance on server 1, or if the utilization on server 1 became higher than normal you could migrate clients without any downtime.

[reanncw]

Originally posted by mattboston
VMWare Server products have some cool features, like if you use multiple servers that connect to a SAN, you can migrate a virtual server in real time to a second server. This would be helpful if you needed to do maintenance on server 1, or if the utilization on server 1 became higher than normal you could migrate clients without any downtime.

If i'm not mistaken, i believe that Virtuozzo has this function as well.

[dkitchen]

VmWare handles Windows far better than any of the other solutions out on the market, infact IMO VmWare is the only stable solution out there.

Dan

[sshepherd]

Originally posted by mattboston
VMWare Server products have some cool features, like if you use multiple servers that connect to a SAN, you can migrate a virtual server in real time to a second server. This would be helpful if you needed to do maintenance on server 1, or if the utilization on server 1 became higher than normal you could migrate clients without any downtime.

I'm already using this setup in an enterprise environment with 3 VMware ESX 2.x servers and a EMC CX300 SAN. While this feature is really usefull, but the costs to actually implement it by requiring a SAN, and Fibre Switch/Cards is outrageous for most applications.

Virtualization products like Virtuozzo for Linux or Windows can do the same thing without requiring extensive hardware investment, abeit with a longer delay between the server transfer being fully completed (however it will still be accessable until moved).

[Cyberbite]

Originally posted by sshepherd
I'm already using this setup in an enterprise environment with 3 VMware ESX 2.x servers and a EMC CX300 SAN. While this feature is really usefull, but the costs to actually implement it by requiring a SAN, and Fibre Switch/Cards is outrageous for most applications.

Virtualization products like Virtuozzo for Linux or Windows can do the same thing without requiring extensive hardware investment, abeit with a longer delay between the server transfer being fully completed (however it will still be accessable until moved).

I believe Virtuozzo & VMWare are targeting two differnet markets. Virtuozzo is targeting webhosting, while VMWare is targeting the enterprise.

I know that the company I work for is evaluating VMWare for their enterprise servers because the new hardware we purchased is so under utilized. On each server we're using about 3-4% CPU & 5% memory. Right now we're evaluating both VMWare ESX and MS Virtual Server. We're also not in the hosting business.

[hostingasia]

Originally posted by sshepherd
I'm already using this setup in an enterprise environment with 3 VMware ESX 2.x servers and a EMC CX300 SAN. While this feature is really usefull, but the costs to actually implement it by requiring a SAN, and Fibre Switch/Cards is outrageous for most applications.

Virtualization products like Virtuozzo for Linux or Windows can do the same thing without requiring extensive hardware investment, abeit with a longer delay between the server transfer being fully completed (however it will still be accessable until moved).

Do you mean Virtualization can do the VMotion stuff?
Really? I asked SW-Soft last month and they couldn't answer me.

[reanncw]

Originally posted by hostingasia
Do you mean Virtualization can do the VMotion stuff?
Really? I asked SW-Soft last month and they couldn't answer me.

http://www.sw-soft.com/en/virtuozzo/enterprise/basics/#virtualization
Virtuozzo virtualization provides separation of the VPSs from the physical server hardware, allowing VPSs and any corresponding application(s) to be migrated from one physical server to another transparently with near-zero downtime.

There you have it.

[hostingasia]

but is that what it really mean? moving vm between physical servers like esx's vmotion? I seriously doult it.

[reanncw]

Originally posted by hostingasia
but is that what it really mean? moving vm between physical servers like esx's vmotion? I seriously doult it.

At least that's what both descriptions lead me to believe.

[Cyberbite]

I just saw VMotion demo'd at LinuxWorld Expo in Boston where they were moving live sites between servers with no downtime.

[hostingasia]

That's the best part of VMWare ESX really.

[sshepherd]

Originally posted by hostingasia
but is that what it really mean? moving vm between physical servers like esx's vmotion? I seriously doult it.

Yes, Virtuozzo can duplicate the VMWare Vmotion feature of transferring a virtual server from the hard drive and memory to another Virtuozzo server. It can also do this with just two standard servers, without the need for a Fibre cards/switches/SAN storage/VMotion license such as VMWare ESX requires.

Again, while it can do it, it is much slower than VMWare ESX since you aren't using a fibre infrastructure to transfer the files, simply using your IP network, but you're able to do it at a fraction of the cost by adding several minutes to your virtual server transfer speed (Anywhere from 1-30 minutes depending on VM size/network speed/server load).

Cut out the fibre requirements, the VMWare licenses that can run a few thousand per server more per server than Virtuozzo, higher virtual server efficiency, reduced licensing costs (only 1 OS license per server for all VM's), and its a much better solution for the hosting industry.