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[porcupine]

Ok people, here's the deal:

AMD 1:
AMD XP1700
512 megs ram (upgradable to 3GB)
40 gig hdd
3com 10/100 network card

300 gigs of transfer
up to 8 ip addresses (80% rule)
APC access included

choice of operating system: FreeBSD, Slackware Linux, RedHat Linux, Windows NT/2K (customer provides media + license)

Webmin + Web.cp reseller control panel may installed free by our staff, or:

Plesk/Ensim/Hostgui - Available, contact for quote
Cpanel - $90/mo.

$150/mo + $150 setup, or
$525/3 mo. + Free setup, or
$900/6 mo. + Free setup.

These servers are built using quality hardware including Asus boards, maxtor/western digital drives, and 3com network components. Our network is currently fully cisco powered. We are a new startup in Miami Florida, and are powered by Cogent Communications. Our facility features dual power grid access from seperate stations (building has *never* lost power), UPS coverage, 24/7 physical security, camera's, and APC access for all equipment/hardware. As a result of us being a new startup, we have a very low servertaff ratio of < 20:1, a extremely low network load. If you're looking for a solution that you can stick with for awhile, I believe that we are your provider.

The subscriber understands that they are "pre-ordering" their services, and as a result, services are not available until the first week of April. If interested, we will custom build servers to your specifications for little extra fee's (including dual amd MP systems).

To signup, the pages do not indicate the free APC/Extra Transfer,
Just put WHM in the other comments field. Other Packages available.

Http://www.prioritycolocation.com/dedicated.shtml

If you've got any questions/comments, don't hesitate to contact us, or reply in thread. If i've left anything out, just ask, i know you will anyway.

Regards.

[panopticon]

From a newbie, what does DNS Authority Included actually mean?

Any chance you will get a fail-over to another provider in case the cogent line goes down for a few minutes here and there?

How come IP's are so expensive?

I really like the fact that the hardware is a one time fee.

How will tech support work? Email? Phone? (Hours?) Ticket system? Are you on site 24/7? Is this your NOC? How many people will you have at the start? (If you have 20 servers to start a 20:1 ratio sill means you might be a bit tired after 24 hours straight )

[porcupine]

- DNS authority is basically a given now, just meaning people have control of their dns and reverse.

- We currently do not have a failover besides cogent, but the miami loop has 99.99% uptime if not more (i can provide statistics in a few days if need be, i've been logging it for awhile now).

- IP's aren't really expensive (if you shop around), it's just the way we chose to setup everything, we bill everything for what it costs us, and ip's are a hassle to re-arrange, hence why we also only charge $40/hr for tech, some providers might give you unlimited free ip's, but charge $175/hr for tech.

- The hardware is setup as one time fee's, we can work it out to monthly payments if need be, but thats not exactly a popular option to most.

- We have technical support via email, irc, icq, aim, and phone (24/7 emergency), and are getting a 800 number, it just hasn't been priority yet because of the fact that it doesen't work outside of north america.

- We have our own datacenter, we do not resell for anyone, and the 20:1 server ratio is conservative, we currently have 4 staff members total and are looking into a 5th. I am the main support staff though, i can admit to having no life, i'm up typing at this time of night aren't i? (2:50 am GMT)

[sasjamal]

can we send our machines to you?

[porcupine]

sasjamal: most certainly, we do offer colocation also (as our company name, web address, and packages indicate), but i didn't figure WHT to be a very big market for colocation,

our packages can be found at:

http://www.prioritycolocation.com/colocation.shtml

and we will throw in free APC and 2x bandwidth for any WHT users in general, i didn't post this because i figured people would just stumble across it, and because i figure 95% of the users here rent dedicated servers.

[porcupine]

hummm, mental note, next time leave details out to keep thread at the top of the queue for a week for better advertising *tee-hee*

[yoyo]

Question about your colo prices. I noticed on your dedicated server special, you offer the computer and 300gb of bandwidth for $150/month. But, on the colo pacakges you only offer 50gb for $95/month. I would think that since the customer is supplying the computer, the only cost would be bandwidth and rack space, which should be "much" cheaper than renting a server, space, and bandwidth? Sorry, i am just a newbie and learning how colo prices are priced.

[porcupine]

Yoyo:

That is true, but you'll notice we're offering this as our special, on the page it only has 150 gb of transfer. You are partly correct in theory, that colocation should be available even cheaper, but you've got to define a cut off point somewhere. When you price the hardware to pay for itself within a year, the hardware cost goes down, the reason the minimum colocation price does not go down further is the following:

- When people colocate, they're a lot more likely to have a high power server, and as a result it costs on average a lot more then dedicated servers do on electricity & hvac (air conditioning).

- We still have to provide top notch tech support, pay for equipment (don't forget each pc needs access to a UPS, APC, and Cisco switch, and racks to power it to the net), and we still have to cover some of our other costs

- It's always better to have a slightly higher listed price, so you can give people pricing breaks and special plans if need be, i mean lets face it, everyone wants a custom quote for themselves, and if your prices are rock bottom, you can't give anyone a custom quote/deal because you're barely breaking even.

So basically if we drop the minimum price too far down, we get overloaded with servers, and we can't provide the type of services & support that we want to (look at lightone, this isn't meant to be a jab, but they've got really good pricing, and look whats happened), or we'd have to jack up our tech support prices from $40/hr (which a lot of people appreciate) to $150/hr (which people obviously don't) just to handle the demand.

I hope that helps explain it We might have cheaper colo someday, but not yet .

[yoyo]

Thanks for the reasoning, i was just curious from the service provider's point of view on how they would price a service, when i look at it(colo service), i see less bandwidth and not a proportinal amount of savings compared to a dedicated server.

[porcupine]

yoyo: Yes, i agree, right now for most our dedicated servers are a better value (with the special im offering), theres one thing i forgot to put in. Since we build our servers in bulk, we get a lot better pricing then most people would on a single computer to colo

[Wolfy]

Originally posted by yoyo
Thanks for the reasoning, i was just curious from the service provider's point of view on how they would price a service, when i look at it(colo service), i see less bandwidth and not a proportinal amount of savings compared to a dedicated server.

yoyo, I've been wondering about the same thing myself. Nearly every provider I've seen offers there 'special' dedicated servers + bandwidth ... at prices less than they offer their co-lo bandwidth. It didn't seem logical to me ... but the best explanation I got was that co-lo customers know exactly what they want, only buy the bandwidth they need, and then use all the bandwidth. But realistically, if you're buying a dedicated server and they give you 300Gb/m data transfer - I doubt that many people even come close to using that much. Hence they can calculate prices accordingly.

[porcupine]

Wolfy: Good analyzation, but you forgot one thing. A lot of places (take rackshack for example) will offer 300 gigs/month for *all* of their dedicated servers, and people pay attention to the lowest priced packages only. The reason this is signifigant is because a lot of people might be using the rackshack 1ghz machines, and they simply can't push 300 gigs/month of traffic doing the type of task they're doing. For example, a AMD 1ghz machine with 1/2 gig of ram might have trouble pushing 10 gigs of traffic/day running a popular forum. If you look at most places pricing on better hardware, it becomes signifigantly more expensive, this is typically because they know the people buying the beefy hardware will use up more of the transfer, same thing goes for colocation, people who send in typically will use more transfer and have a better idea of their needs as you said.

[Going Postal]

Doing a tracroute as always I have noticed that you are site is connected through cable..Why?


Read Below


Address lookup
canonical name prioritycolocation.com.
aliases
addresses 24.150.156.141


Domain Whois record
Querying whois.internic.net with "dom prioritycolocation.com"...

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: PRIORITYCOLOCATION.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://www.opensrs.org
Name Server: NS1.FANHOST.NET
Name Server: NS2.FANHOST.NET
Updated Date: 14-feb-2002


>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:09:35 EST <<<

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.


Querying whois.opensrs.net with "prioritycolocation.com"...

Registrant:
Priority Colocation
#2 Ravenscliffe Ave.
Appt #2
Hamilton, ON L8P 3M4
CA

Domain Name: PRIORITYCOLOCATION.COM

Administrative Contact:
Loosley-Millman, Myles porcu@cogeco.ca
#2 Ravenscliffe Ave.
Appt #2
Hamilton, ON L8P 3M4
CA
905-523-5854

Technical Contact:
Admin, Network postmaster@easyhosting.com
10 Kelfield Rd
Rexdale, ON M9W 5A2
CA
1-877-414-5665

Billing Contact:
Loosley-Millman, Myles porcu@cogeco.ca
#2 Ravenscliffe Ave.
Appt #2
Hamilton, ON L8P 3M4
CA
905-523-5854

Registration Service Provider:
EasyHosting.com, postmaster@easyhosting.com
1-877-414-5665


Record last updated on 19-Feb-2002.
Record expires on 14-Dec-2002.
Record Created on 14-Dec-2001.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.FANHOST.NET 65.105.42.109
NS2.FANHOST.NET 65.193.26.249


Network Whois record
Querying whois.arin.net with "24.150.156.141"...

Cogeco Cable Systems (NETBLK-CGOC-2BLK) CGOC-2BLK 24.150.0.0 - 24.150.255.255
Cogeco Cable Solutions (NETBLK-CGOC-HALA4-1) CGOC-HALA4-1
24.150.144.0 - 24.150.159.255

To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx is the
handle, shown in parenthesis following the name, which comes first.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related
Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information.

Querying whois.arin.net with "!NETBLK-CGOC-HALA4-1"...

Cogeco Cable Solutions (NETBLK-CGOC-HALA4-1)
950 Syscon Drive
Burlington, ON L7R 4S6
CA

Netname: CGOC-HALA4-1
Netblock: 24.150.144.0 - 24.150.159.255

Coordinator:
IP Services (IS7-ORG-ARIN) ipservices@CGOCABLE.NET
(905)333-5343
Fax- (905)333-8136

Record last updated on 09-Jan-2002.
Database last updated on 18-Feb-2002 19:56:12 EDT.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related
Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information.

DNS records
Query error: Timed out
141.156.150.24.in-addr.arpa IN PTR d150-156-141.home.cgocable.net 85885s (23h 51m 25s)
156.150.24.in-addr.arpa IN SOA server: ns4.cgocable.net
email: dnsadmin@cgocable.net
serial: 2000061102
refresh: 10800
retry: 3600
expire: 604800
minimum ttl: 86400
86400s (1d)

Service scan
FTP - 21 220 ProFTPD 1.2.2rc3 Server (Porcupine Consulting FTP Server) [p133.porcupineconsulting.com]
SMTP - 25 220 porcupineconsulting.com ESMTP
HTTP - 80 HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:07:22 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.23 (Unix) PHP/4.1.1 mod_ssl/2.8.6 OpenSSL/0.9.6b
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

POP3 - 110 +OK <15536.1014163642@porcupineconsulting.com>
NNTP - 119 Error: Connection refused

-- end --

[porcupine]

Going Postal:

Yep, you're totally right, this is also the box i offered free hosting on about 2 weeks ago (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...threadid=35407). I'm hosting the site on my local box until the facility is fully up and running (read up, not until april). I considered moving it to one of the nameservers boxes, or sharpnets boxes (which i have access to), but then figured if it's not hosted at the facility, people would notice that and ask the same question regardless in the end.

Anyhow, if you're questioning the legitimacy of my offer, i'm not sure where (maybe someone can post a url, cuz i don't know) you can look up our incorporation under "Priority Colocation Incorporated". Or you could always call Cogent up for information regarding our service contract/application, or call the building manager. If you'd like, in april i can arrange for a "tour" of the facility (if you're anywhere near miami).

If you've got any other questions, feel free to post , i hope that answered yours.

[Revelation]

the correct costs?