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How to get out from SPEWS.ORG?!


One of my customers spammed, i banned his account and said good-bye to him, but nevertheless my mail server got listed in SPEWS.ORG and several mail services now do not relay mail from my servers. What to do? How to get out from SPEWS? We do not host spammers and always kick ass them.

SPEWS.ORG cannot be contacted via e-mail, IMHO, at least they do not answer it.

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The only way to get unlisted from the spam blackilists, is close your mail relay. If you are one of the few who feel the need to offer SMTP services, then you need to at least lock it down to use authentication. The blacklists absolutely will not remove your server if it has an open relay. They will try and send a test message relayed off your server, if it goes through, you are in trouble.

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You are kidding, serve-you, aren't you? We are 4 years in webhosting and use pop-before-smtp authrisation process.
Or do you really think I am keeping opened relay?!

Relay is closed, but a user has spammed (long ago), i closed his account. But SPEWS.ORG is still keeping my mail server in the blacklist. And i do not know how to remove it from the list.

The only way is to change IP and name of mailserver, but in this case all the users (thousands) must make changes in their e-mail software settings - which is bad

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This was not an attack against you, you would be surprised how many established companies blindly use open relays. The pop before smtp method is unfortunately not that much better, because all a spammer has to do is signup for service and create a mail account, which you are no aware of.

What does the "Lookup Record" on spews tell you when you lookup your IP? Usually they give some sort of explanation as to what you need to do to get unlisted.

spews does not accept mail, which would be why they aren't replying to you. If you look in their FAQ, they tell you some forums where you can go to discuss the matter.
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Q41: How does one contact SPEWS? A41: One does not. SPEWS does not receive email - it's just an automated system and website, SPEWS and other blocklist issues can be discussed in the public forums mentioned above. The newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.email (NANAE) is a good choice, and Google makes it quite easy to post messages there via the Web as M@ilGate does via email. Be aware that posting ones email address to any publicly viewable forum or website makes it instantly available to spammers. If you're concerned about getting spammed, change or "mung" the email address you use to post with.
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Spews is a useless orginization that blindly adds companies left and right for inadequate and unverified reasons with no way what-so-ever to explain the situation and get yourself removed. I wouldn't even bother with spews, I've been listed in it before and after attempting to deal with them many times I finally gave up, the people that actually use spews for their mail servers are fairly small, so I consider it their loss if they list me and do not allow mail to be relayed into my network. So in short, your **** outta luck like the rest of us have been, they even blocked us for a port 1080 mis-conception because all their software did was see if that port was open, they didn't think to check if there was port sentry running on the other side waiting for some idiot to try and use it, o no, they just added IP's left and right.

Needless to say spews = bad uncaring radical ********


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As many hosts here, I do not run a company that is friendly with spammers. However like many of you know, spamming accounts always pop up. These accounts usually do plenty of damange before you are able to terminate them.

SPEWS as far as I am concerned is a feeble attempt to get fame. You will notice MSN, YAHOO, Excite, and other bigger ISP's are NOT on the SPEWS banned list. (And who hasnt gotton spam e-mail from MSN today?)

If any other hosts feel the same way as I do about this "service", I would be interested in getting togather.

I love to fight SPAM as much as anyone else, but SPEWS is not the answer. I have tried to get off the SPEWS list relentlessly, and am just tired of it.

Feel free to flame me on this subject, or agree with me, but please make it constructive.

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SPEWS is nothing more then an above the law group of punks and sh**bags! They are arrogant pricks in my opinion. And until you get your IPs blocked because your upstream had them blocked because they had a spammer years ago, you will not understand. There responses are "Sorry you colo with ______. Sue them for breach of contract or move".

We are huge Spam haters. Accounts are instantly nuked. However I can not control what our upstream does, and would appreciate support from a group that is suppose to be here to help.

Anyway, try sending a message to the news groups. This is the best place where the cowards with no e-mail hang out -

news.admin.net-abuse.email

While I appreciate their effort as well as Spamcops, however, I feel these groups really need to lose the attitude and work with people better. They have the attitude, guilty until proven innocent.

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He-he, glad to hear I am not alone disloving that SPEWS.ORG. However, www.mail.ru - russian largest free mail service (about 5M accounts as far as I remember) uses that sucking SPEWS, and therefor my customers complain when they cannot send a mail to mail.ru.


That's my answer > SPEWS.ORG

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Originally posted by Anatole
He-he, glad to hear I am not alone disloving that SPEWS.ORG. However, www.mail.ru - russian largest free mail service (about 5M accounts as far as I remember) uses that sucking SPEWS, and therefor my customers complain when they cannot send a mail to mail.ru.


That's my answer > SPEWS.ORG
HEH... mail.ru should be on spews list... I get so much spam from mail.ru I ended up putting a filter to block mail from them!

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I wish I could put filter on all that mail.ru, yahoo.com, hotmail.com and any other freemail service, cause what they generate is 90% spam.

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Anyone with any law exp? What would it take to get rid of spews?


At least they are slanderous? Claiming blocked IPs are spammers which they are not?

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Why should they care 'bout your laws? Laws are in life, SPEWS are located in virtual reality...

If all ISP and hosting services will ignor SPEWS, then they simply dissapear, but its impossible.

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Here's my solution.

I have a dedicated server that is NOT in SPEWS or other lists.

When I have a problem with one server and SPEWS, I simply set that server to use my non-SPEWS server as it's smart relay for a while.

If for some reason that server gets on spews I can it and get antoher dedicated machine elsewhere.

You are right, MSN.com, hotmail, and other MASSIVE spam machines will NEVER be on spews, why? Because they know better than to **** with the big dogs.

What do you think Yahoo would do if SPEWS blacklisted them? They'd sue the UPSTREAM's upstream backbone. They'd go all the way to the top and they'd have spews off of the net so fast it'd make your head spin. Same with MSN or other big leaguers.

But what can you or I do? Rant and rave and cuss and spit and that's about it.

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Please don't shoot me on this one!

No matter your opinion of Spews, they do server a good purpose. Unfortunately, we've been caught up in a few IP blocks where they tagged a few of our sub nets.

In each instance, when we took corrective action they removed our blocks. If you correspond with the group in a cordial manner and take the necessary steps, your can expact your IPs to be removed quickly.

On the other hand, if you threaten this and that or say your gonna sue them, my guess is that you won't get far.

From a end user perspective, I'm glad that there are lists like Spews out there that ISPs can use to block SPAM. When EV1 implemented a beta SPAM filtering system for our dialup users, my email volume went down by 70%!

If you concentrate on killing the spammers, you're problems with Spews will shortly go away.

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No matter your opinion of Spews, they do server a good purpose. Unfortunately, we've been caught up in a few IP blocks where they tagged a few of our sub nets.
Yeah, you are the top end and can control your sub nets. For most here, we collocate and rely on our colo or upstream. It is here that SPEWS is BS. We are given Class Cs. We use them. A year latter we find out it was blocked because an old user of it had a Spammer. We contacted them and received arrogant replies, mostly from what I thought were 12 year old punks.

Changing the Class Cs that can host a few thousand sites isn't a very good option, neither is moving colos. To me they should just realize that even if the Colo isn't an active participant with them, that at least they shouldn't pass down there agenda to the bottom tiers. They should just release the block.

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