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01-04-2005, 05:07 PM #26Web Hosting Evangelist
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Re: Re: underage starting web host business
Originally posted by R Echo
I wouldn't advise posting alot in forums, go for more mainstream advertising like in magazines, I am going to be advertising in alot of gaming magazines soon. Posting in forums alot can also be seen as spamming and you could get a bad business image.
Just make sure you don't abuse your forum rights, and you'll be just fine.█ Voxxit - Accessible Web Design & Secure, Affordable Web Hosting
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01-04-2005, 05:21 PM #27Junior Guru
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Re: Re: Re: underage starting web host business
Originally posted by VoxxitDesigns
That is definitely not true. I have been advertising in these forums for three days and I have made a total of $750. And my company is looking better and better from the portfolio work I am getting. And, people talk. So, the people I have designed for will refer me, and they will refer, and so on.
Just make sure you don't abuse your forum rights, and you'll be just fine.
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01-04-2005, 05:28 PM #28Web Hosting Evangelist
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I don't post threads, I reply to them. But if I were to advertise, I would get banners, etc. through here. You reach a bigger audience.
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01-04-2005, 05:54 PM #29Web Hosting Master
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Originally posted by VoxxitDesigns
No, they are regulations that the user agrees to follow upon signing up for the service, if you aren't signing anything, it isn't a contract. Just an agreement.
An agreement between two or more parties, especially one that is written and enforceable by law.
The branch of law dealing with formal agreements between parties.
The courts of continuously upheld that verbal contracts are valid in a court of law as well as unsigned agreements made online (IE the "I Agree" button). And a business, when taking money for a good or service is contractually obligated to fullfill that good or service unless the customer fails to fullfill their end of the obligation.
Therefore, any time he violates the contractual agreement between the company and the customers, his parents become financially and legally liable for any actions as a result. Great position to put your parents in.
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01-04-2005, 05:56 PM #30Web Hosting Evangelist
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True, hmm.. well I guess he could take that risk if he so desired.
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01-04-2005, 07:28 PM #31Junior Guru Wannabe
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Like someone already stated in the US you have to be 18+ to incorporate but to have a business the only requirment is to have a government issued identification with a photograph. You can start a sole proprietorship and all you have to do is get a DBA certificate from your county recorder costs around $10 depending on were you live. To open a bank account and a merchant account you need parental conscent but they are secondary signers and you are the primary participating party in the agreement. You can have a TOS, AUP, Privacy policy because they are policies. promises you make to your clients and your clients make to you. They are not contracts unless you require them to agree. If you never ask them to press a button or put a checkmark on the terms and merely state that by braking the following (post links to TOS, AUP, etc.) you risk having your site deactivated. That way you are warning them of consiquences but never stating a mutual contract agreement. Also using a DBA your clients never have to know that your company actually belongs to your parents because if they inquire about it it actually belongs to you. They merely co-sign on merchant agreement and bank agreements. You can be completely transparent.
Also on your site you can say that the members of [your company] are knowledgeable in all new technologies and have loads of experiance. They are all educated in their proper fields of study.
This might seem like a lie but it isent as long as you know what you are doing. And your customers think you have a degree from a technical institute.
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01-04-2005, 09:16 PM #32Web Hosting Evangelist
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PErsonally, the only reason I'm able to have a hosting business, is because I'm homeschooled, and do *all* of my school on the computer.
I know that I can't legally enter into a contract for another year, but I have built many things into my tos to protect myself, and my clients for that matter.
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01-04-2005, 09:22 PM #33Over there
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Oh, well I guess that's an exception.
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01-05-2005, 03:12 AM #34Web Hosting Guru
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Sure wish I was homeschooled. Be way better than my school!
Anyway, obviosuly the basic rules for businesses are the same as the UK then. You gotta be 18 to Inc. over here as well.
Yeah, you could just put a TOS, AUP etc, but not make them legally binding. Can't see any problem with that...
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01-05-2005, 04:54 AM #35Disabled
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Its better if you go to school and enjoy your teenage life.
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01-05-2005, 05:59 AM #36Junior Guru
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He just got himself a server from servermatrix. hehe. that's $100 a month. forget teenage life; booze and hedonism. samson will be the next Jeffry Citron who bought and sold two firms with his own money, and now ceo of vonage.com at 33.
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01-05-2005, 07:43 AM #37WHT Addict
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Re: Re: underage starting web host business
Originally posted by jt2377
2 months? sorry, dude... it ain't going to happened. some people didn't even make a dime for a year!
like someone else already said...be prepare to pay out of your own pocket for at least few month.
I haven't been able to break even for a year. I came into this industry thinking, "Hey, I want to learn this stuff, I should be able to break even in 3 months". I was wrong.
But, now 1 year and a few months in, I'm proud to say, I've broke even, and is finally making some money (although little).
I'm still a reseller, but I'm planning to co-lo in the next couple of months.
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01-05-2005, 08:41 AM #38WHT Addict
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Issue 23 of x:
Getting a dedicated server was the wrong way to start. And I can tell you from experience. You should have started by buying an inexpensive reseller account someplace. It would have been < 50 a month and somebody else would be in charge of server in case in has problems during your english class.
How are you planning on handling server issues while at school?
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01-05-2005, 12:07 PM #39Web Hosting Evangelist
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Yeah, I don't get why *anyone* would start out with a dedicated server. It's just not worth paying for space and bandwidth you don't use.
I don't intend on getting dedicated. I'm going to go right to co-locating at a data center once I have enough cashflow coming in. Seems better then renting.. I don't like the concept of renting :\
Also, being homeschooled kinda sucks Only reason I started this business was because I was bored to tears Heh, It is cool being able to say I give 15+ hours a day of email-support and messanger support XD
I do take college classes though, so I don't have *unlimited* free time. home-work sucks (o)_(o)
I forgot to say, I still haven't broken even. Monthly, I'm still in the hole, and I've invested about $650 in the 6 months I've been in business. T_T I'm still on my parents computer... which is a real hinderence...
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01-05-2005, 01:36 PM #40Junior Guru Wannabe
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samsonh yeh I am same with you I want to do the same, I was going to buy a ded server but seeing this changes a alot and is even remaking me think
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01-05-2005, 01:45 PM #41Web Hosting Evangelist
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I just made $200 today. So, it's possible.
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01-05-2005, 05:50 PM #42Web Hosting Guru
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Originally posted by Slava Hosting
Also on your site you can say that the members of [your company] are knowledgeable in all new technologies and have loads of experiance. They are all educated in their proper fields of study.
This might seem like a lie but it isent as long as you know what you are doing. And your customers think you have a degree from a technical institute.
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01-05-2005, 06:14 PM #43Web Hosting Evangelist
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Yeah, wouldn't that be false advertising?
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01-05-2005, 07:49 PM #44Taking a break from hosting
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Originally posted by samsonh
I wanted to offer my web development, print design, and marketing clients a hosting option so I can handle all part of their websites.
As for being underage, yeah I will have to start a business under my parents. Thanks for pointing that out.
Are there tax issues with a parent being a sole proprietor?
Thanks
Samson
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01-05-2005, 10:38 PM #45Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally posted by revise
That sounds like intentional deception to me.
Also on your site you can say that the members of [your company] are knowledgeable in all new technologies and have loads of experiance. They are all educated in their proper fields of study.
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Read a magazine on some new server specs and software out there
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and have loads of experiance
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it all depends on how long a "load" is. Some people might say that if you read about something for 5 hours thats a load. While some people will say you need to research something for months.
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Educated doesent necessarily mean a degree. If I explain something to you I am educating you. So if you are a sales rep and you read an article about curtesy in the marketing business you are educated and informed.
All of what I said in that paragraph is true for the above reasons. I would only recommend this for new hosts. Advertising that we are new and unexperianced wont get you many clients. Even if your prices are as low as any one elses in the industry.
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01-05-2005, 10:57 PM #46Web Hosting Guru
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If your prose makes "customers think you have a degree from a technical institute" when in fact you don't, you are deciving them. That is, inducing an erroneous belief through careful manipulation of the words. Whatever verbiage you use to represent your company is your prerogative. However, it's your customers who ultimately will evaluate whether you're being candid or deceptive.
Every company has to start somewhere. It would be stupid to advertise that your company has no experience or track record. As such a company, you should rather highlight positive features of your business and its staff (innovative? motivated? etc.)
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01-05-2005, 11:15 PM #47Junior Guru Wannabe
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samrt people don't care if their business is motivated. They want proof that you are a good company. For example we have been in business since 1993! or our licensed technical support staff is available to answer your questions 24x7.
But most people do not have technical support staff with degrees or have a business that has been open a decade so using common words like loads of experiance can be beneficial to your company.
I'm not saying go lie and say you have 7 years of business when you had 1 but if you use a vague term it will be better for the company.
If you are a highly morall person and see this as false advertisement than go ahead, but when I started I used this routine and it got me a ton of clients and affiliates.
I guarantee that motivated and innovative won't hert your business but it won't help it all that much either.
just my 2 cents.
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01-05-2005, 11:32 PM #48Web Hosting Guru
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Sorry if there was any confusion regarding my post - I wasn't referring to you or your business specifically. Rather, I was speaking in general towards starting from scratch. Most businesses will have some collective experience in the industry beforehand - this is the most valuable asset to bring to the table. Lacking that, you have to demonstrate other attributes like innovation and motivation (I didn't mean, literally write, "we are innovative and enthusiastic"). People want results, and a innovative service with a dedicated staff can most definately produce.
At any rate, my intention was just provide another perspective. I've always built my business relationships upon candor and service, and it's served me well.
To each his (or her) own.
Originally posted by Slava Hosting
samrt people don't care if their business is motivated. They want proof that you are a good company. For example we have been in business since 1993! or our licensed technical support staff is available to answer your questions 24x7.
But most people do not have technical support staff with degrees or have a business that has been open a decade so using common words like loads of experiance can be beneficial to your company.
I'm not saying go lie and say you have 7 years of business when you had 1 but if you use a vague term it will be better for the company.
If you are a highly morall person and see this as false advertisement than go ahead, but when I started I used this routine and it got me a ton of clients and affiliates.
I guarantee that motivated and innovative won't hert your business but it won't help it all that much either.
just my 2 cents.
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01-05-2005, 11:53 PM #49Junior Guru Wannabe
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I know when I said:
For example we have been in business since 1993! or our licensed technical support staff is available to answer your questions 24x7.
I was referring to a random advertising slogan and not referring to my host.
lol
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01-06-2005, 12:09 AM #50Web Hosting Evangelist
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So, color discriptions in your favor by omitting the lack of experience, and capitallizing on your selling point?
Good Plan