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Old 11-13-2004, 07:47 PM
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TOP-10 Java, JSP and Servlet Web Hosting Providers


Hi,

I need a list of world's top-10 java/jsp/servlet hosting providers. Price, Uptime and Support are key issues here. Please share your java hosting experiences. As a starter, here is the list that i researched so far;

http://eapps.com
http://2020media.com
http://kattare.com
http://jumpline.com
http://mmaweb.net
http://lunarpages.com
http://javaservlethosting.com
http://websina.com
http://servlets.net
http://1stwebhosting.nu
http://4java.ca
http://aoindustries.com

Are the above-mentioned top-java hosts in the world? if not, which are the top-hosting companies in the world related to java?

1. As it is common with the usual hosting companies, is Cpanel the choice of the java hosting companies too, or is there any other control panel most suited for such java hosting irrespective of linux/windows platform?

2. For java hosting, do you recommend VDS or Dedicated server for those who can afford anything?

3. And for those who are price-concious, is shared hosting a good idea for java hosting?

4. I saw many experts here terming java hosting as PREMIUM one, hence the expensive nature of the java hosting as compared to PHP, Perl, ASP, etc. Why can't java hosting compare to other hosting technologies in terms of pricing, resources and support? Is it due to lack of java expertise or something else?

5. If someone decides to purchase their own java-specific dedicated server instead of a shared java hosting or VDS, which dedicated server providers do their best in configuring a java machine and on which OS?

6. I plan to use tools and ranking guidelines as provided by http://webhosting.info to rate the suggested companies as top-10 only when they have maximum NUMBER of clients. Do you think there is any other verification process of rating them?


7. Technically speaking, what makes a host qualified to offer java hosting? Do these features point to a good java host?

Tomcat 3.2.3, 4.1.12LE, Tomcat Manager, Private Tomcat, Shared Catalina with own Tomcat root, Catalina Output
Apache JServ, WebLogic, WebSphere
JSP 1.1, 1.2
Servlet 2.3
JDK, Sun jdk-1.3.0, Sun j2sdk 1.4, J2SE (Java 2 Standard Edition) Software Development Kit v1.3.1, Java development tools/compilers/JITs
JRE
J2EE
Private Java Virtual Machine JVM
JRun, Private JRun Services Manager (JSM), JRunPro 2.3 used for servlets
EJB/J2EE/JBoss Supported, JBoss Java VMs,
Server.XML access
Struts
Private Resin Servlet Engine
ECMAScript and WebL support
Generic Servlet Library
Form Mail Servlet
Visitor Counter Servlet
Guest Book Servlet
MySQL, SQL Server, InterBase, PostgreSQL
XML, Cocoon XML Processor, FOP XML Print Formatter, SOAP (Simple Object Access Protocol), Xalan XSLT Processor, Xang, Xerces Java Parser
Windows, Linux

There are additional java perks like Resin which speed up the java applications running on a java hosted server. Is there any other application like Resin that can be installed on a java server for offering better performance to its hosted accounts? Please be specific.

Why is it difficult or impossible for a web hosting company to offer EJB, JavaBeans, JBOSS or Enterprise J2EEE in a shared hosting environment?

Please note that there are big companies like verio.com who offer installable scripts to qualify as a java host. Kindly do not post such companies as I am looking for the java hosting specialist companies with java-ready machines.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Old 11-14-2004, 12:40 AM
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What is your point here?
Do you want to do java hosting business and collect some feedback to analyze or just interested in topic?

IMHO - Java hosting depends of the target market.
For example http://eapps.com is not targeted for cheap solutions and as result they have their own "priorities" for the feature list.

So, if you want a list of top 10 java host - first decide what is the scope here. Enterprise solutions (or something close to that), medium ones (based on dedicated servers at least) or cheap ones (VPS or Private/Shared JVM ones).
I'm sure there are different players in these categories...

As for first group - I'm sure BEA and IBM are top players in the world. They may not host you personally, but they have a short list of partners who is "trusted" to provide services including hosting based on their platforms (usually this is the list of "solution providers" who offer a best service for their platform and hosting is just a small part of it).

So, my point is very simple - make it more clear what are you looking for, because it's not good to compare enterprise hosting solutions with simple JSP hosting.


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Old 11-14-2004, 12:11 PM
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I am not sure that without substantial knowledge of this subject any reasonable analysis of this issue is possible. Unfortunately the questionnaire suggests that my suspicious are not baseless.

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Old 11-14-2004, 12:14 PM
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heyheyhey

nice work man keep it up!

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Old 11-14-2004, 12:16 PM
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Let's just wait for a response from him.

P.S. (forign language here) Ya soglasen chto spisok voprosov dostatochno bredovii.

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Old 11-14-2004, 12:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by bezel
Let's just wait for a response from him.

P.S. (forign language here) Ya soglasen chto spisok voprosov dostatochno bredovii.
Bezel,

I am not starting a hosting company and that is not my intention at least in the near future. I am looking for answers to compile a good TOP-10 listing of the java hosts worldwide and write a story about it for the hosting industry's portals. If you can help me find out which java host is the best one which you yourself used and your review, it would be greatly appreciated.

Such information will greatly help many others who are interested in java hosting as a student, wanna-be hosts, current hosts, media and many out there.

You may contribute your feedback towards as many categories of java hosting, i.e. simple, enterprise, etc., but the main theme here is TOP JAVA HOST. If you are still "suspicious" of my intentions, please ask the specific questions and I will try my best to answer them.

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Old 11-14-2004, 12:40 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
I really was not "suspicious" about that - just wanted to undertand the point.

As for help - I afraid I do not have enough time to help you, sorry.
Yes, I have a long experience with java hosting providers, but I personally do not want to share my opinions about that topic with public.


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Old 11-14-2004, 01:03 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
I really was not "suspicious" about that - just wanted to undertand the point.

As for help - I afraid I do not have enough time to help you, sorry.
Yes, I have a long experience with java hosting providers, but I personally do not want to share my opinions about that topic with public.
Bezel,

I could only smile when i saw your resopnse. If you don't wish to make your hosting experiences public, then why bother reading forums?

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Old 11-14-2004, 01:20 PM
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i think that Gazzin network is very good company as the support JSP with a trial 1 month for free but thy only buy resellers accounts

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Old 11-14-2004, 01:23 PM
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backuphost,

what is the URL of Gazzin?

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Old 11-14-2004, 02:24 PM
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aatayyab,

You did not get me.
My first question clearly indicates that I wanted to clarify what do you need - help with hosting or review of java hosts.

You provided the answer - you want to do a review.
I'm not interested to help with that. Is it enough to smile on me?

If you were interested in help with java hosting - I might help you with some tips and advices and it was the reason I asked for clarification.

Good luck with your review.

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Old 11-14-2004, 03:23 PM
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aatayyab,

You did not get me.
My first question clearly indicates that I wanted to clarify what do you need - help with hosting or review of java hosts.

You provided the answer - you want to do a review.
I'm not interested to help with that. Is it enough to smile on me?

If you were interested in help with java hosting - I might help you with some tips and advices and it was the reason I asked for clarification.

Good luck with your review.
benzel,

please enlighten us all about your tips and advices relating to java hosting. we are confusing things here, aren't we? i am a newbie in this java hosting terminology, technology, hosting, etc., and i need experts advices like yourself to fulfil the needs of writing a news story for media.

it seems you mind my "smiling"?

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Old 11-14-2004, 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by aatayyab

please enlighten us all about your tips and advices relating to java hosting. we are confusing things here, aren't we? i am a newbie in this java hosting terminology, technology, hosting, etc., and i need experts advices like yourself to fulfil the needs of writing a news story for media.
Yes, you are confusing things. For starter, you have to define what constitutes "Java Web Hosting". IMHO, I yet to meet one single "Java Web Hosting" company. It would be not enough to install JVM (majority of OSs come with built-in JVM anyway), it's not enough even to have one or another servlet and/or EJB container on the system.

I would advice to start with a study of Wall Street financial institutions experience with 90% of server side Java - billions of dollars were spent on this technology.

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Old 11-14-2004, 05:01 PM
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Yes, you are confusing things.

Peter Kinev.
peter,

please be specific about the confusion here. i dont' want to be confused and confuse others. the purpose of coming to this forum was to end my confusion about java hosting, NOT add more to it.

please be specific about your confusions to understand any of my questions.

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Old 11-14-2004, 11:11 PM
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peter,

please be specific about the confusion here. i dont' want to be confused and confuse others. the purpose of coming to this forum was to end my confusion about java hosting, NOT add more to it.

please be specific about your confusions to understand any of my questions.
Ok, let me try. Here is how software layers looks like for typical PHP and Java based web applications.

Java Application ---------------------------------- PHP Application
Servlet/EJB Container ----------------------------
JVM Layer ----------------------------------------
Operating System --------------------------------- Operating System

As you see the level of complicity is quite different. One of the most important part of this picture is the Servlet and/or EJB container. There are few of them available, most important are "Websphere" of IBM, "Weblogic" of BEA, SunONE of Sun Microsystems. The container has many roles, in short, it serves as a "glue" for Java Application and underlying layer of JVM. Thus an application cannot be designed without tight integration with container and JVM.

Now, what would be the benefit to provide a packaged container/JVM solution unless it will not be completely integrated with a Java application. But the picture is not complete without mentioning some important things - for instance, the proper defined Java software infrastructure allows to build an application such as an e-commerce "Shopping Cart" in few hours to compare it in month with PHP or any another scripting language. And I meant exactly what I say - application will be built not programmed. Almost no programming is necessarily.

Hope it will help some.

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