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    * TOP-10 Java, JSP and Servlet Web Hosting Providers

    Hi,

    I need a list of world's top-10 java/jsp/servlet hosting providers. Price, Uptime and Support are key issues here. Please share your java hosting experiences. As a starter, here is the list that i researched so far;

    http://eapps.com
    http://2020media.com
    http://kattare.com
    http://jumpline.com
    http://mmaweb.net
    http://lunarpages.com
    http://javaservlethosting.com
    http://websina.com
    http://servlets.net
    http://1stwebhosting.nu
    http://4java.ca
    http://aoindustries.com

    Are the above-mentioned top-java hosts in the world? if not, which are the top-hosting companies in the world related to java?

    1. As it is common with the usual hosting companies, is Cpanel the choice of the java hosting companies too, or is there any other control panel most suited for such java hosting irrespective of linux/windows platform?

    2. For java hosting, do you recommend VDS or Dedicated server for those who can afford anything?

    3. And for those who are price-concious, is shared hosting a good idea for java hosting?

    4. I saw many experts here terming java hosting as PREMIUM one, hence the expensive nature of the java hosting as compared to PHP, Perl, ASP, etc. Why can't java hosting compare to other hosting technologies in terms of pricing, resources and support? Is it due to lack of java expertise or something else?

    5. If someone decides to purchase their own java-specific dedicated server instead of a shared java hosting or VDS, which dedicated server providers do their best in configuring a java machine and on which OS?

    6. I plan to use tools and ranking guidelines as provided by http://webhosting.info to rate the suggested companies as top-10 only when they have maximum NUMBER of clients. Do you think there is any other verification process of rating them?


    7. Technically speaking, what makes a host qualified to offer java hosting? Do these features point to a good java host?

    Tomcat 3.2.3, 4.1.12LE, Tomcat Manager, Private Tomcat, Shared Catalina with own Tomcat root, Catalina Output
    Apache JServ, WebLogic, WebSphere
    JSP 1.1, 1.2
    Servlet 2.3
    JDK, Sun jdk-1.3.0, Sun j2sdk 1.4, J2SE (Java 2 Standard Edition) Software Development Kit v1.3.1, Java development tools/compilers/JITs
    JRE
    J2EE
    Private Java Virtual Machine JVM
    JRun, Private JRun Services Manager (JSM), JRunPro 2.3 used for servlets
    EJB/J2EE/JBoss Supported, JBoss Java VMs,
    Server.XML access
    Struts
    Private Resin Servlet Engine
    ECMAScript and WebL support
    Generic Servlet Library
    Form Mail Servlet
    Visitor Counter Servlet
    Guest Book Servlet
    MySQL, SQL Server, InterBase, PostgreSQL
    XML, Cocoon XML Processor, FOP XML Print Formatter, SOAP (Simple Object Access Protocol), Xalan XSLT Processor, Xang, Xerces Java Parser
    Windows, Linux

    There are additional java perks like Resin which speed up the java applications running on a java hosted server. Is there any other application like Resin that can be installed on a java server for offering better performance to its hosted accounts? Please be specific.

    Why is it difficult or impossible for a web hosting company to offer EJB, JavaBeans, JBOSS or Enterprise J2EEE in a shared hosting environment?

    Please note that there are big companies like verio.com who offer installable scripts to qualify as a java host. Kindly do not post such companies as I am looking for the java hosting specialist companies with java-ready machines.

    Thanks in advance for your help.

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    What is your point here?
    Do you want to do java hosting business and collect some feedback to analyze or just interested in topic?

    IMHO - Java hosting depends of the target market.
    For example http://eapps.com is not targeted for cheap solutions and as result they have their own "priorities" for the feature list.

    So, if you want a list of top 10 java host - first decide what is the scope here. Enterprise solutions (or something close to that), medium ones (based on dedicated servers at least) or cheap ones (VPS or Private/Shared JVM ones).
    I'm sure there are different players in these categories...

    As for first group - I'm sure BEA and IBM are top players in the world. They may not host you personally, but they have a short list of partners who is "trusted" to provide services including hosting based on their platforms (usually this is the list of "solution providers" who offer a best service for their platform and hosting is just a small part of it).

    So, my point is very simple - make it more clear what are you looking for, because it's not good to compare enterprise hosting solutions with simple JSP hosting.
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    I am not sure that without substantial knowledge of this subject any reasonable analysis of this issue is possible. Unfortunately the questionnaire suggests that my suspicious are not baseless.

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    heyheyhey

    nice work man keep it up!

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    Let's just wait for a response from him.

    P.S. (forign language here) Ya soglasen chto spisok voprosov dostatochno bredovii.

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    Originally posted by bezel
    Let's just wait for a response from him.

    P.S. (forign language here) Ya soglasen chto spisok voprosov dostatochno bredovii.
    Bezel,

    I am not starting a hosting company and that is not my intention at least in the near future. I am looking for answers to compile a good TOP-10 listing of the java hosts worldwide and write a story about it for the hosting industry's portals. If you can help me find out which java host is the best one which you yourself used and your review, it would be greatly appreciated.

    Such information will greatly help many others who are interested in java hosting as a student, wanna-be hosts, current hosts, media and many out there.

    You may contribute your feedback towards as many categories of java hosting, i.e. simple, enterprise, etc., but the main theme here is TOP JAVA HOST. If you are still "suspicious" of my intentions, please ask the specific questions and I will try my best to answer them.

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    Thanks for the clarification.
    I really was not "suspicious" about that - just wanted to undertand the point.

    As for help - I afraid I do not have enough time to help you, sorry.
    Yes, I have a long experience with java hosting providers, but I personally do not want to share my opinions about that topic with public.
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    Originally posted by bezel
    Thanks for the clarification.
    I really was not "suspicious" about that - just wanted to undertand the point.

    As for help - I afraid I do not have enough time to help you, sorry.
    Yes, I have a long experience with java hosting providers, but I personally do not want to share my opinions about that topic with public.
    Bezel,

    I could only smile when i saw your resopnse. If you don't wish to make your hosting experiences public, then why bother reading forums?

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    i think that Gazzin network is very good company as the support JSP with a trial 1 month for free but thy only buy resellers accounts

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    backuphost,

    what is the URL of Gazzin?

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    aatayyab,

    You did not get me.
    My first question clearly indicates that I wanted to clarify what do you need - help with hosting or review of java hosts.

    You provided the answer - you want to do a review.
    I'm not interested to help with that. Is it enough to smile on me?

    If you were interested in help with java hosting - I might help you with some tips and advices and it was the reason I asked for clarification.

    Good luck with your review.

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    Originally posted by bezel
    aatayyab,

    You did not get me.
    My first question clearly indicates that I wanted to clarify what do you need - help with hosting or review of java hosts.

    You provided the answer - you want to do a review.
    I'm not interested to help with that. Is it enough to smile on me?

    If you were interested in help with java hosting - I might help you with some tips and advices and it was the reason I asked for clarification.

    Good luck with your review.
    benzel,

    please enlighten us all about your tips and advices relating to java hosting. we are confusing things here, aren't we? i am a newbie in this java hosting terminology, technology, hosting, etc., and i need experts advices like yourself to fulfil the needs of writing a news story for media.

    it seems you mind my "smiling"?

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    Originally posted by aatayyab

    please enlighten us all about your tips and advices relating to java hosting. we are confusing things here, aren't we? i am a newbie in this java hosting terminology, technology, hosting, etc., and i need experts advices like yourself to fulfil the needs of writing a news story for media.
    Yes, you are confusing things. For starter, you have to define what constitutes "Java Web Hosting". IMHO, I yet to meet one single "Java Web Hosting" company. It would be not enough to install JVM (majority of OSs come with built-in JVM anyway), it's not enough even to have one or another servlet and/or EJB container on the system.

    I would advice to start with a study of Wall Street financial institutions experience with 90% of server side Java - billions of dollars were spent on this technology.

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    Originally posted by pnorilsk
    Yes, you are confusing things.

    Peter Kinev.
    peter,

    please be specific about the confusion here. i dont' want to be confused and confuse others. the purpose of coming to this forum was to end my confusion about java hosting, NOT add more to it.

    please be specific about your confusions to understand any of my questions.

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    Originally posted by aatayyab
    peter,

    please be specific about the confusion here. i dont' want to be confused and confuse others. the purpose of coming to this forum was to end my confusion about java hosting, NOT add more to it.

    please be specific about your confusions to understand any of my questions.
    Ok, let me try. Here is how software layers looks like for typical PHP and Java based web applications.

    Java Application ---------------------------------- PHP Application
    Servlet/EJB Container ----------------------------
    JVM Layer ----------------------------------------
    Operating System --------------------------------- Operating System

    As you see the level of complicity is quite different. One of the most important part of this picture is the Servlet and/or EJB container. There are few of them available, most important are "Websphere" of IBM, "Weblogic" of BEA, SunONE of Sun Microsystems. The container has many roles, in short, it serves as a "glue" for Java Application and underlying layer of JVM. Thus an application cannot be designed without tight integration with container and JVM.

    Now, what would be the benefit to provide a packaged container/JVM solution unless it will not be completely integrated with a Java application. But the picture is not complete without mentioning some important things - for instance, the proper defined Java software infrastructure allows to build an application such as an e-commerce "Shopping Cart" in few hours to compare it in month with PHP or any another scripting language. And I meant exactly what I say - application will be built not programmed. Almost no programming is necessarily.

    Hope it will help some.

    Peter Kinev.
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    I corrected my note.
    Peter.
    Last edited by pnorilsk; 11-14-2004 at 11:24 PM.
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    See an original/corrected note.
    Last edited by pnorilsk; 11-14-2004 at 11:23 PM.
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    peter,

    what is the relationship of this with java hosting?

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    Jason Hunter's website has reviews if that's what you're looking for:

    http://www.servlets.com/isps/servlet/ISPViewAll

    You should also try asking your question on java-specific forums as you'll get a lot more responses.

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    Originally posted by aatayyab
    peter,

    what is the relationship of this with java hosting?
    Simple, in order to be qualified as a legitimate "Java Web Host" you must have an underlying software infrastructure similar to "Websphere' or "Weblogic" or "SunONE", etc. Or you need to get it from IBM or BEA or Sun Microsystems, but the cost of a complete infrastructure of this kind can go as high as $300,000.00 - $500,000.00 + sufficient skill set to run/maintain/program this infrastructure. So, it's unrealistic for SME/SOHO users, including ISPs.

    Well I am not implying that there are no solution. In fact I believe, that until and unless small and medium size ISPs will not abandon inferior, dysfunctional solutions based on PHP/HTML and accept instead J2EE or .NET based solutions they (ISPs) will face rapid extinction. And this process is well underway.

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    rg,

    i am already well-ahead in my quest to java-related forums. thanks for your kind advice. on the list that you referred, they got a minimum 100 host listings there which confuses me as i am looking for top-10.

    peter,

    no, i don't think so that cost of hosting java is that much high. any java hosts here?

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    Originally posted by aatayyab

    peter,

    no, i don't think so that cost of hosting java is that much high. any java hosts here?
    Well, I am not thinking. I know it as a fact. I built Java systems for JPMorgan, DB, CVS/pharmacy, TDWaterhouse, Sun Microsystems, BankOne, etc, etc.

    My numbers are based on my personal Java implementation experience of 10 years. I was so reluctant to give you any advice in expectation of receiving exactly what you said - "no, i don't think so that cost of hosting java is that much high". Would you please, tell us what is your "thinking" is based upon?

    And frankly, this is a reason why I was skeptical ( in the beginning of this thread) in your ability to do this analysis.

    Regards,
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    Peter,

    Thanks a lot for your kind input and you seem to be the only one who CARES about java hosting so far on this forum. As I said, i am a newbie in java hosting and i will need expert input like yours. When I said that java hosting does not have to be expensive, i meant that by referring to small java applets/servlets hosting requirements, not with reference to advanced enterprise hosting requirements of big companies like you mention.

    could you please give me the specific information from your own experience on how to setup a server to enable it to offer java hosting and the related software costs, if any? aren't there any free and open-source software in java hosting industry?

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    Originally posted by aatayyab


    could you please give me the specific information from your own experience on how to setup a server to enable it to offer java hosting and the related software costs, if any? aren't there any free and open-source software in java hosting industry?
    Tons of the Open Source Software projects are available and active as we speak. In fact with few exceptions, Apache including, the rest of apache.org is almost completely in java.

    I have under my belt few commercial industrial strength implementations of Java applications developed on "zero cost java software infrastructure". But it looks like that, say Tomcat container + 40-60 more Open Source Software independent Java based projects (frameworks) + my own stuff + Java Application.

    This is a "bad" part, the "good" part is that development of this Java Application with "my infrastructure" typically takes 5-8 times less time that the development of the same application on Websphere or Weblogic or SunOne. Tremendous saving of resources, time, money and it works faster anyway.

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    very poor response from WHT members regarding top-10 java hosts so far...... probably i will have to wait.

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    Originally posted by pnorilsk
    "zero cost java software infrastructure". But it looks like that, say Tomcat container + 40-60 more Open Source Software independent Java based projects (frameworks) + my own stuff + Java Application.
    Peter Kinev.
    peter,

    please elaborate a bit on it in terms of specific software tools, strategies you used and the hosting infrastructure you deployed for your clients.

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    Originally posted by aatayyab
    peter,

    please elaborate a bit on it in terms of specific software tools, strategies you used and the hosting infrastructure you deployed for your clients.
    Amir,

    It's a huge undertaking. There are many reason why in some points I will be not as specific as you may expect.

    The Java environment has a different name J2EE, developed and promoted by a few leading technology companies such as Sun, IBM, BEA, etc. It was done in part in recognition of complicity in development of applications with Java programming language. J2EE provides a highly structural environment for development and running Java applications. It also allowed to sell very expensive J2EE hardware/software infrastructure. Per Gartner, customers spent unnecessary billion of dollars baying EJB (one of J2EE technology) enabled application servers from IBM, BEA, Sun.

    Some people, myself including, believe that it was a huge scam. But it divided the Internet with web-enabled applications on "have" and "haves not". Of course J2EE type web application delivers completely different experience to compare it with scripting environment (check Fortune 1000 web sites). But as a sub product of this process it also created a "cottage" industry of "HTML/PHP web hosing".

    Now we want and we are capable to prove that Java web application is not obviously technologically superior solution that PHP, but most important it's much more affordable - easy to develop (no programming in majority cases) and much easy to maintain. We believe that SOHO/SME customers deserve and entitle to compete in Internet space with "big ones” using same if not better technology for affordable price.

    Peter Kinev.
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    Peter,

    EXACTLY, i do agree with your spirit and i am sure many will do. however, there is a HUGE difference between "wants" and "reality". PHP/HTML are right now choice of all those "have-nots" and if people like you could help us to embark on such a venture where we will ensure these poor ones can also get to use "java" instead of unrealistic PHP/HTML, that will be a great favor to humanity.

    Although it came out of the scope of my own research, but I will definitely mention the "capitalist" thinking of companies like IBM, BEA and Sun in my article. Perhaps my column will be a humble beginning towards a great revolution of making "java hosting" affordable equally for "have-ones" and "have-nots" and compete equally.

    I am greatly motivated enough by your comments and I do have some plans to play a critical role towards such an endeavor. Count me in.

    I know many on this forum got "java hosting" offers, but when I saw NO RESPONSE from them, I decided to give it some more time to avoid negative thinking otherwise. What is your personal view about those java hosting providers and their offers on this forum? I think however meagre part, it is a great blessing to have them around us, right?

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    Originally posted by aatayyab
    Peter,

    EXACTLY, i do agree with your spirit and i am sure many will do. however, there is a HUGE difference between "wants" and "reality". PHP/HTML are right now choice of all those "have-nots" and if people like you could help us to embark on such a venture where we will ensure these poor ones can also get to use "java" instead of unrealistic PHP/HTML, that will be a great favor to humanity.
    I completely agree with you.

    Although it came out of the scope of my own research, but I will definitely mention the "capitalist" thinking of companies like IBM, BEA and Sun in my article. Perhaps my column will be a humble beginning towards a great revolution of making "java hosting" affordable equally for "have-ones" and "have-nots" and compete equally.
    Try this one, it's old news now.
    http://www.entmag.com/news/article.a...torialsID=4871

    I am greatly motivated enough by your comments and I do have some plans to play a critical role towards such an endeavor. Count me in.
    Thank you, lets try to change the world.

    I know many on this forum got "java hosting" offers, but when I saw NO RESPONSE from them, I decided to give it some more time to avoid negative thinking otherwise. What is your personal view about those java hosting providers and their offers on this forum? I think however meagre part, it is a great blessing to have them around us, right?
    I llike to have some discussion on this issue. I repeat again - I would like to meet one, just one company who will be legitimately called as "Java Web Hosting Company" with offers similar to Websphere, Weblogic, SunOne for the price affordable by SOHO/SME.

    Peter Kinev.
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  30. #30
    Originally posted by 4java.ca
    Hi Peter,

    just read your posts.

    Our company like few more listed in the list above are pure Java Web Hosting Companies. We offer pricing affordable for SOHO/SME.
    Today with the help of Tomcat and JBoss you can offer JSP/Servlets/Java and EJB support for a low fee (check out our pricing 4java dot ca).
    A pure Java hosting company needs to have experience in building and deployment of Java based applications, which as you probably know is much more complex then writing a simple HTML page.
    Companies such as our also support commercial application servers such as WebLogic or WebSphere, but there is little if any interest in those type of implementations by small companies. Usually large companies have those needs (due to hight licensing costs) and typically those solutions are dedicated solutions and not shared.
    Java hosting is now affordable and there is no need for 'revolution' as aatayyab mentioned - the services are now available for under $10 if it is not affordable then let me know what is.
    If you require some additional feedback post a question, I'll try to answer (I am not here on the forum too often), for direct questions email us at support at 4java dot ca

    All the best.
    This is not what I meant. To clarify the subject let me challenge you and your company. We will take simple e-commerce "Shopping Cart" case. Assume there is no java application written for this "Shopping Cart".

    Now, how long and what it will take for “regular Joe” to develop scalable, bullet proof, with session affinity (HA) and transaction support (ACID) application even with all your company help and applying your company Java hosting?

    If you will not be able to give direct answers, I am afraid you cannot call your company “Java Web Hosting Company”. Sorry...

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    Are trying to compare development times for building a shopping cart using Java and non-Java based technologies?

    Or are you looking at a comparison for hosting companies in terms of what services they offer?

    If you are looking for development times comparison I am sure you know exactly what the difference is based on your postings in this thread i.e. you mentioned:
    "I have under my belt few commercial industrial strength implementations of Java applications developed on "zero cost java software infrastructure". But it looks like that, say Tomcat container + 40-60 more Open Source Software independent Java based projects (frameworks) + my own stuff + Java Application.
    "

    You need to provide a full specification on what you need and then post the question on programming newsgroups to get the quote.

    Good luck,

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    Originally posted by 4java.ca
    Are trying to compare development times for building a shopping cart using Java and non-Java based technologies?

    Or are you looking at a comparison for hosting companies in terms of what services they offer?

    If you are looking for development times comparison I am sure you know exactly what the difference is based on your postings in this thread i.e. you mentioned:
    "I have under my belt few commercial industrial strength implementations of Java applications developed on "zero cost java software infrastructure". But it looks like that, say Tomcat container + 40-60 more Open Source Software independent Java based projects (frameworks) + my own stuff + Java Application.
    "

    You need to provide a full specification on what you need and then post the question on programming newsgroups to get the quote.

    Good luck,

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    This is exactly what I meant. And your company, in fairness, is trying hard to be "Java Web Hosting Company" in the future. What if I will tell you, that in proper defined Java software infrastructure, Tomact, JBoss, and/or JRun alone do not constitute one, the development time of a complete e-commerce solution from scratch will not take longer than 2 - 5 days. And this is most likely without heavy assistance from the hosting company because it should not be associated with heavy Java programming. Would you like it? Can you fit it in SOHO/SME framework?

    This is what I would call a minimum requirements for "Java Web Hosting", because there are many more, such as portal solution from the box, b-2-b integration, content serving, internationalization and localization, declarative security model, templating, etc, etc.

    Regards,
    Peter.
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    Majority of clients looking for Java hosting services, are interested in deploying their Java based applications/pages/sites based on their code or open-source/commercial type of applications.
    And this is the type of service our company and other 'java hosting company' hosts provide - this is the type of service clients are looking for.
    Most commercial type of applications requiring JSP or EJB support install in no time at all (this includes shopping carts which you mentioned above). And we and other companies in our space provide such service at affordable pricing levels (less than $10/month). This way making Java hosting affordable to masses.
    So yes, it does fit into SOHO/SME type of market, and I cannot agree with your point.

    I understand that WebLogic and WebSphere now provides a number of tools for rapid application prototyping, development and deployment, we have used those for our clients under the consulting arm of our company - and we and other hosts have experience in hosting such applications, but such deployments are not done by SOHO type clients - whose budgets are usually less than 100k per year for hosting.

    Best Regards,

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    Originally posted by 4java.ca
    Majority of clients looking for Java hosting services, are interested in deploying their Java based applications/pages/sites based on their code or open-source/commercial type of applications.
    I assert the exactly opposite notion. In order to compete in the Internet space SOHO/SME need Java infrastructure modular and integrated to the extend that custom Java application will be developed (constructed) in little time. So the JSP/servlet container is absolutely not enough solution for this task, I understand.
    And this is the type of service our company and other 'java hosting company' hosts provide - this is the type of service clients are looking for.
    [/B]
    Again, fundamentally disagree.
    I understand that WebLogic and WebSphere now provides a number of tools for rapid application prototyping, development and deployment, we have used those for our clients under the consulting arm of our company - and we and other hosts have experience in hosting such applications, but such deployments are not done by SOHO type clients - whose budgets are usually less than 100k per year for hosting.

    Best Regards, [/B]
    And here you are completely wrong. Weblogic and Websphere are not alone. And SOHO/SME don't need 5k less 100k to do everything what "big" can do. Now, it's true your company cannot do it, thus no surprise, you don't know about that.

    Good day,
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    I am not sure if you understand how JSP or EJB containers work and what their functions are. They are modular and allow for rapid applications deployment. So they do provide SOHO/SME support.
    And yes, WebLogic and WebSphere are not for SME/SOHO as you mention, so that is why Tomcat and JBoss is offered.

    Have a great day,

  36. #36
    Originally posted by 4java.ca
    I am not sure if you understand how JSP or EJB containers work and what their functions are. They are modular and allow for rapid applications deployment. So they do provide SOHO/SME support.
    And yes, WebLogic and WebSphere are not for SME/SOHO as you mention, so that is why Tomcat and JBoss is offered.

    Have a great day,
    OK, please don't mislead us. You know, I cannot allow it to stick. Yes, it's true that in good hands majority of J2EE containers allow rapid application deployment, but they by itself don't allow rapid application development (RAD) - indispensable quality for SOHO/SME.

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    Peter,

    Thanks for sharing a very informative and an eye-opener research of Gartner at
    http://www.entmag.com/news/article.a...torialsID=4871

    That is a clear representation of the kind of confusion that Microsoft, Sun, IBM, BEA, etc created all around us.

    Kindly explain the "modular" java development and hosting approach that you repeatedly mentioned in your posts for a newbie like myself.

    4java,

    There is a one critical element missing in your java hosting offers. I think that element is not understood clearly by our hosting industry and we are all trying to offer an "in-complete" and inflixible java hosting. That element is clearly demonstrated by Peter in his posts here. My question to you is that do you understand the point of view of Mr.Peter towards the effective java hosting infrastructure that is currently missing from your or many hosting companies' offers?

  38. #38
    Originally posted by aatayyab
    Peter,

    Thanks for sharing a very informative and an eye-opener research of Gartner at
    http://www.entmag.com/news/article.a...torialsID=4871

    That is a clear representation of the kind of confusion that Microsoft, Sun, IBM, BEA, etc created all around us.

    Kindly explain the "modular" java development and hosting approach that you repeatedly mentioned in your posts for a newbie like myself.

    4java,

    There is a one critical element missing in your java hosting offers. I think that element is not understood clearly by our hosting industry and we are all trying to offer an "in-complete" and inflixible java hosting. That element is clearly demonstrated by Peter in his posts here. My question to you is that do you understand the point of view of Mr.Peter towards the effective java hosting infrastructure that is currently missing from your or many hosting companies' offers?
    Amir,
    Thank you, indeed. We are getting somewhere - long way as compare with beginning of your thread. Especially your mentioning of role of IBM, Sun, Microsoft, etc in milking all of us. I am willing now to talk and I have time. Please, ask your questions.

    Regards,
    Peter Kinev.
    Open Solution, Inc
    http://opensolution-us.com

  39. #39
    Originally posted by 4java.ca
    In order to answer your question, please provide information what in your eyes a flexible and complete java hosting is based on the type of technologies now available and based on the technologies that you would like to see available to a client looking for a Java host.
    Amir,
    I can take this one.

    Peter.
    Open Solution, Inc
    http://opensolution-us.com

  40. #40
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    Peter,

    Here are a few questions;

    1. What is Java hosting and why is it different from typical PHP/HTML hosting?

    2. What are today's java hosts lacking in terms of expertise, knowledge and support java applications hosting?

    3. For a hosting company that has no java expertise in their staff, how can they offer and support java hosting? I mean many are now a days offering JSP/Servlet hosting by merely installing Tomcat on their celeron based linux machines (typically costing 60-70$ monthly) in USA. Does installing Tomcat mean you got "java hosting" to offer world?

    4. What is the ideal model of java hosting for SOHO/SME in your mind that is non-existent today and the one you wish to pursure in the long run worldwide?

    5. Why are majority of java-related developer forums silent on "affordable" java hosting issues? does a professional java developer simply write-off the current "cheap" offers of java hosting and adopt the more secure, flexible yet expensive approach of a dedicated server?

    thanks for your input,

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