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Old 10-05-2004, 03:50 PM
TheLimey TheLimey is offline
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Accounting in multiple currencies


Hi

What's the best way to handle payment in foreign currencies.

We're a UK based business but we have a few international clients who tend to prefer to have prices and payment in US dollars.

They can pay via PayPal or 2CO, but the problem arises when we create invoices within our accounting software.

We can't really lump it all together each month as "income", as we need to be able to offset the payment gateway costs as expenses.

Any suggestions (other than insisting that all payments are in sterling).

Thanks.

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Old 10-06-2004, 02:18 AM
gogocode gogocode is offline
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Re: Accounting in multiple currencies

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Originally posted by TheLimey

They can pay via PayPal or 2CO, but the problem arises when we create invoices within our accounting software.

We can't really lump it all together each month as "income", as we need to be able to offset the payment gateway costs as expenses.
You really need to talk to an accountant (so do I, but I won't). What I did this year was...

Basically maintain N sets of books (one for each currency), using your favourite accounting package. When you bring currency across to your home currency you can record that as income against that currency, just record that it's "Currency Transfer from PayPal.com, Ref# xyz, FX Rate 0.123 " and then record that as an expense in the outgoing set of books (eg the USD books). Record the transfer as an expense in the outgoing books.

At financial year end you probably want to do an adjustment to "bring the funds across" to the home currency (so you can work out your year end income for tax). Last year I just got the current exchange rate (from the Inland Revenue Dept) and recorded a transfer (but didn't actually do it) of all the remaining funds into the home currency, then on the 1st of the next financial year recorded a reversed transfer (ie expense in the home currency books, income in the FX books). I figure it's OK to do that because later in the year when I really do transfer it then it will be recorded as income again, the goal is that I pay the tax on the funds I made within a year (whatever currency), in that year.

If you pay bills in other currencies too (PayPal), just leave it in the FX books, it won't really matter because it'll just be "silently" deducted due to the fact that you won't transfer it to the home currency (where it's recorded as income "for real"). And of course if you pay more in the foreign currency than you make, well it doesn't matter because you had to transfer the money in from the home account somehow where it would have been an expense.

It's not quite right (because of the way I use income & expense to record transfers between currencies, it's not *really* an income from PayPal), and it doesn't give you an easy way to get an accurate "overall" picture at any given time, but as far as I can tell it gives the correct net effect and allows you to calculate the correct tax.

It would be easier if your accouting package supported multiple currencies, unfortunatly it's hard to find one. Gnucash does, but Gnucash still isn't really ready for business use (no where near as nice to use as Quickbooks), I used Gnucash last financial year but I still had to do most of the above by manually entering transactions. Quickbooks does, but only *some* versions (Intuit seems to think it should sell features only into some markets for unknown reasons), the US doesn't, the Canadian does I believe, who knows about the UK - I've never used QB's international currency system though so I don't know if it's useful, I would expect it to make the job somewhat easier anyway.

So, hope that helps.

IANAA (I am not an accountant), but that's the way I did things last year and it produced ( small :-( ) numbers that for all intents and purposes were accurate and enabled me to submit a tax return for the correct income & expense. As long as everything is recorded, it all comes out in the wash y'know.

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Old 10-06-2004, 06:41 PM
Kattouf Kattouf is offline
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I am in the same situation, but remember that there are no processing fees when dealing with 2CO, they are buying directly from you at a reduced price. So just record each tranfer to your bank account as one income/sale. (thats what i do anyway)


With PayPal and your accounting, record the invoice in GBP as you normally would, then when you get X USD into your PayPal account. Convert that and the fee they took to GBP and record it in the accounts. The GBP total you recieved to PayPal will not match the GBP you invoiced because PayPal's currency exchange will be different that yours or your banks, so the different can be recorded as an Currency loss or gain or somthing like that....

I think i have managed to figure out my system but i don't think anyone knows for sure....

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Old 11-27-2004, 08:36 AM
IdleServ IdleServ is offline
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Sorry for digging up an old thread.

I'd like to just confirm something as I am in the UK billing in USD.

Do I only count payments into my bank account as actual income, not including payments to paypal and 2co?
Same for expense?

Thanks,

Chris.

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Old 11-27-2004, 09:39 AM
Jojja Jojja is offline
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If a client pays you then it is income, if you decide to keep it in paypal or transfer to a bank is up to you but it is still income.

As such, all outgoings made are also expenses.

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