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10-01-2004, 03:37 PM #201Newbie
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Originally posted by mmiller
Free candy - hmm let's see.
The candy company starts handing out free candy and while doing so says to each customer that the candy is free and always will be free.
Next week the candy company gets sued because they started charging for the candy and stopped giving it away.
Breach of contract? I think so.
Try and get this through your head for a moment. Matt, acting as the CEO of the company, with his CEO badge on, acting as both the founder and CEO of said company did put in writing, on several occassions that Invision Board was free and ALWAYS would be. His words not mine.
And you think that there is no legal remedy against that? The man made a written & oral contract on so many occassions it's not funny. This was not only the business practice he built the entire company and it's marketing around that foundation.
It's really that simple. I'm going to look into the EFF as was suggested because IB's actions are clearly illegal. Anyone can see that. If a person puts it in writing and forms his company around it - it's binding and that's it.
candy company says that 'super candy' will always be freely available. candy company dont ever release 'super candy', but they release 'mega candy' which is initially free but later goes on sale only.
so, by your logic, 'mega candy' should be free because it was said that 'super candy' would be free?
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ok, lets refer to the most recent instance anyone can find of matt saying v2 would be free. candy company says mega candy will be free (note that they did not say forever). for 2 weeks, they give mega candy away for free, but then put it on sale. what exactly have they broken? mega candy WAS free, just like they said.
keep going, you're looking worse with every postLast edited by fr55; 10-01-2004 at 03:49 PM.
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10-01-2004, 03:44 PM #202Disabled
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well that's interesting...
I'm still satisfied with the software though.0
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10-01-2004, 03:55 PM #203Newbie
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oh, and to the best of my knowledge, the comment that 'iboard would always be free' was made before invision power services was even formed. it was posted at an ikonboard site the day after they left jarvis. ips didn't exist until a few weeks later
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10-01-2004, 03:55 PM #204Reliable Web Host
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That's just stupid,.
So, if Microsoft would have released windows XP free, then told the world that Windows was free forever from now on, then Millions of companies start going with windows products....Then, Microsoft starts charging everyone for any version of windows they release, because they said WINDOWS would be free, not WINDOWS XP, WINDOWS PX, WINDOWS 2010, etc....suddenly that's ok ?
Hell no, there would be congressional hearings, and lawsuits out the rear. Don't try to defend him with wording.█ Bayouspace Hosting
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10-01-2004, 03:58 PM #205Newbie
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Originally posted by Pixehost
That's just stupid,.
So, if Microsoft would have released windows XP free, then told the world that Windows was free forever from now on, then Millions of companies start going with windows products....Then, Microsoft starts charging everyone for any version of windows they release, because they said WINDOWS would be free, not WINDOWS XP, WINDOWS PX, WINDOWS 2010, etc....suddenly that's ok ?
Hell no, there would be congressional hearings, and lawsuits out the rear. Don't try to defend him with wording.
MATT SAID IBOARD WOULD ALWAYS BE FREELY AVAILABLE. THIS WAS SAID *BEFORE* INVISION POWER BOARD EXISTED AND EVEN *BEFORE* INVISION POWER SERVICES EXISTED. HOW CAN HE POSSIBLY BE BREAKING A CONTRACT WHEN THE 'CONTRACT' YOU CLAIM HE BROKE WAS MADE ABOUT A DIFFERENT PRODUCT AND THE COMPANY DIDN'T EVEN EXIST?
whats more, since when did a post on a bulletin board constitute a binding contract? i'll give you $100. But i'm not really going to, so are you going to sue me now?
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10-01-2004, 04:04 PM #206Reliable Web Host
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Are you blind? He said that invisionboard would always be free.
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10-01-2004, 04:05 PM #207Newbie
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you mean where he said "they said 2.0 won't be free, and it will be"?
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10-01-2004, 04:07 PM #208Web Hosting Master
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I like the software, however I wish they would gear a version to a smaller userbase.
I.e. a 1 to 100 user board $29.95
101 to 500 $59.95
500 to 1000 $99.95
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10-01-2004, 04:32 PM #209Disabled
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That would be a bad idea, people could start launching registration attacks against forums forcing site owners to pay more to hold more accounts.
My idea:
No Access to IPB resources + Use IPB for 1 year - $20
Access to IPB resources + Use IPB for 1 year - $40
No Access to IPB resources + Use IPB forever - $40
Access to IPB resources + Use IPB forever - $80
you could probably throw in a technical support arrangement into the plans too.
I think this thread is solved though.0
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10-01-2004, 04:39 PM #210Web Hosting Master
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I think it is too, I like Invision Board, but I do feel used though. I knew that it would never been a community project.
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10-01-2004, 04:44 PM #211Newbie
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I don't consider the thread solved when there is still ripped-off phpBB code in IPB...and even if there weren't, I think that one basic qualification for being a developer of a closed-source, proprietary application is not ever stealing code from other applications. The fact that Matt Mecham has done this casts even further darkness upon the reputation and trustworthiness of him and his company.
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10-01-2004, 04:53 PM #212Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally posted by Charter
Concerns over whether IPB is GPL are only now being made because the software is no longer free for new users. The GPL concerns could have been raised before, when IPB was free for new users, but now terms like liar, thief, etcetera are being said.
IMHO the GPL argument is really only being touted because people are unhappy with the current price structure. If IPB remained free, the GPL issues may not have ever been raised. Why make an issue out of it now, when you didn't make an issue out of it before?
Aside from that, people are unhappy with IPS for mutiple reasons.
Matt tends to spit on the trial users, making reference to them as "Free Loaders". I was on the forums when it started two years ago. Users who sought support, were garunteed support if they were lisensed. Now if they weren't lisenced and were getting impatient, he would say "Well, how much did you pay for this software?" And that was just the beginning...
The community followed the lead of their role model. Soon, it wouldn't be long before anyone without a lisense would be scolded a "Freeloader", and the moderators started randon banings.
Next came the dissapearing threads. Have something to say about IPS? Well it better be happy thought, because negative feedback calls for the Lock/Ban/Delete.
Then they took away the support. Now, only paid customers can post in the support forums. And to make matters worse, YOU CAN'T EVEN VIEW THEM!
It just goes on and on and on...
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10-01-2004, 05:13 PM #213Web Hosting Master
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Its ok guys... I just called the Free Software Foundation. They have not recieved my email yet, but I told them about the PHP My Admin code that was being used in Invision Board. They will shortly investigate the matter. Yes well since I am a "free loader" currently he won't be getting my money when I make the switch to VBulletin. Matt has finally revealed himself as greedy CEO. I don't think he ever intended to keep the software free. It was one big marketing ploy and we fell for it because I myself thought Matt was a good guy. I have lost total respect for him and his software.
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10-01-2004, 05:15 PM #214Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally posted by Pixehost
You're right, I shouldn't distribute it free.
Maybe I'll just "borrow some code" from it, charge 2 dollars to everyone who has asked me for it in the last couple days, and when I raise enough money from the sales, I'll get a vBulletin!
ANYONE WANT TO BUY A COPY OF IPB?
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10-01-2004, 05:29 PM #215Web Hosting Master
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Look obviously matt is taking us for granted. I do feel we should show him up by switching to another bulletin board system. Lets stop giving him free advertising. If you are a invision board customer I would think about letting your license expire and switch to an alt. If Matt sees the decline in sales maybe he will rethink his positon. I would also like to point out something from somebody who is learning about marketing. You have given VBulletin a golden chance to turn this situation around. If they were to match your pricing as a refugee special who do you think they will end up choosing? Maybe you should consider taking some courses in marketing and business ethics.
Matt's post on his blogs shows how he really feels about potential customers. I don't know why he just doesn't say "use my software your a freeloader! Pay the cash and your my very best friend I wub you."Last edited by Kerry Jones; 10-01-2004 at 05:38 PM.
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10-01-2004, 05:39 PM #216Junior Guru Wannabe
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Originally posted by Kerry Jones
Its not an assault on the company its just a bad business practice. I bet you may doesn't even know the effects of his decision.
I'll show you some of the effects from users...
http://babble.the-protagonist.com/in...5&#entry111183
http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/show...hreadid=198694
http://forum.bbpixel.com/index.php?s...=15&#entry6922
http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic...565&highlight=
http://www.foruminsider.com/forums/i...?showtopic=761
These are just a few of the many threads out there. I think... i'll post the link to this thread on those forums.
Keep in mind these people are one step from blowing their brains out. Their entire life is based around IPB. The mods did some work cleaning out the topic and banning some people.Last edited by Click; 10-01-2004 at 05:42 PM.
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10-01-2004, 05:40 PM #217Web Hosting Master
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I'm an IPB customer and i won't be switching.
I'm sorry Kerry but the way you're carrying on it seems you have something personal against Matt.0
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10-01-2004, 05:49 PM #218Newbie
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Originally posted by aqi32
I'm sorry Kerry but the way you're carrying on it seems you have something personal against Matt. [/B]
I don't think that making comments implying homophobia and personal things of which you have no proof (Or in other words, Click saying "Matt Mecham is strait " in his sig) is called for, though.0
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10-01-2004, 05:57 PM #219Web Hosting Master
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absolutely, none of that is called for and if honest is childish and doesn't help anyone.
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