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[Torith]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._abortion_dc_1

[Kerry Jones]

Its more of a reason to help these women who want abortions by giving the necessary medicial supplies and legalizing abortion.

[ldcdc]

Some could say that's more of a reason to make sure that the law is respected.

In my country abortion is legalised and I personally think it's a good thing, but that may have something to do with the fact that I'm not particularly religious.

[SupaGraphiX]

I personally do not believe in abortion, I mean , how would you feel if your mother supported it? .. Let me answer that one, you wouldn't .

[Amish_Geek]

More babies are slaughtered each year by abortion than all of the Jews during the holocaust.

What most people dont realize, is teenage mothers make up only 5% of all abortions. Most are women/couples in their mid 20's-30's who don't want to be bothered by the burden of a child, even though they are more than financially capable of raising it.

[Torith]

Originally posted by amish_geek

What most people dont realize, is teenage mothers make up only 5% of all abortions. Most are women/couples in their mid 20's-30's who don't want to be bothered by the burden of a child, even though they are more than financially capable of raising it.

What gets me is if they did not want the child then they should not of been having sex. Or have protection. I see it as their fault.

Though if it is rape that is a different story.

[22 hosting]

Abortion is the choice of the person concerned. It's no-one elses business.

[the_pm]

Originally posted by Torith
What gets me is if they did not want the child then they should not of been having sex. Or have protection. I see it as their fault.

Though if it is rape that is a different story.

Just to play devil's advocate, how is that a different story? It's not the unborn child's fault his/her conception was the result of violence. How does rape justify murdering the innocent?

It's always fun taking the wild side of a debate

Personally, my definition of what is or isn't murder is strictly medical. When your heart stops beating, you are clinically dead. Ergo, when your heart starts beating, you are clinically alive. Abortion before heartbeat cannot be murder, because you cannot take the life of something that was never alive. Abortion after this point is murder. But if you've waited that long on the decision, you've waited too long, and you've lost the right to decide.

Go tear up that position

[Amish_Geek]

Originally posted by 22 hosting
Abortion is the choice of the person concerned. It's no-one elses business.

Murder is the choice of the person concerned. It's no-one elses business.

Just to play devil's advocate, how is that a different story? It's not the unborn child's fault his/her conception was the result of violence. How does rape justify murdering the innocent?

It's always fun taking the wild side of a debate

Personally, my definition of what is or isn't murder is strictly medical. When your heart stops beating, you are clinically dead. Ergo, when your heart starts beating, you are clinically alive. Abortion before heartbeat cannot be murder, because you cannot take the life of something that was never alive. Abortion after this point is murder. But if you've waited that long on the decision, you've waited too long, and you've lost the right to decide.

Go tear up that position

So then single cell organisms are not alive. Plants are not alive. Because they do not have heartbeats.

[danman]

Originally posted by amish_geek
More babies are slaughtered each year by abortion than all of the Jews during the holocaust.

What most people dont realize, is teenage mothers make up only 5% of all abortions. Most are women/couples in their mid 20's-30's who don't want to be bothered by the burden of a child, even though they are more than financially capable of raising it.

Women should have the right to decide *early* in their pregnancy what happens to the fetus. In my opinion, aborting the fetus in the early stages is no less harmful then just not having sex.

How would you feel if your mother decided not to have sex?

[the_pm]

So then single cell organisms are not alive. Plants are not alive. Because they do not have heartbeats.

I don't consider killing a plant murder. But who's talking about plants? We're talking about humans. The clinical definition of death in humans is the absence of a heartbeat. No one's arguing the rights of the unborn potato

[Torith]

Though it is not her fault for getting raped. Though I do not agree with abortion at all. I just think if someone gets raped maybe look at it differently?

Originally posted by the_pm
Just to play devil's advocate, how is that a different story? It's not the unborn child's fault his/her conception was the result of violence. How does rape justify murdering the innocent?

It's always fun taking the wild side of a debate

Personally, my definition of what is or isn't murder is strictly medical. When your heart stops beating, you are clinically dead. Ergo, when your heart starts beating, you are clinically alive. Abortion before heartbeat cannot be murder, because you cannot take the life of something that was never alive. Abortion after this point is murder. But if you've waited that long on the decision, you've waited too long, and you've lost the right to decide.

Go tear up that position

[Torith]

Just thinking about this post. You say it is not murder correct? Though taking it, eating it or what ever is killing it since it is alive. Since it is alive and you kill it that is murder .

Though I am not saying anything just thought about it when you posted! *runs off and hide*

Originally posted by the_pm
I don't consider killing a plant murder. But who's talking about plants? We're talking about humans. The clinical definition of death in humans is the absence of a heartbeat. No one's arguing the rights of the unborn potato

[the_pm]

Originally posted by Torith
Though it is not her fault for getting raped. Though I do not agree with abortion at all. I just think if someone gets raped maybe look at it differently?

Certainly her story is an infuriating one indeed. But if someone doesn't believe in abortion in any stage of pregnency, how is aborting a fetus resulting from rape any less murder?

[the_pm]

Originally posted by Torith
Just thinking about this post. You say it is not murder correct? Though taking it, eating it or what ever is killing it since it is alive. Since it is alive and you kill it that is murder .

Though I am not saying anything just thought about it when you posted! *runs off and hide*

"When danger rears its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled..."

Killing plants is neither illegal, nor is it considered morally or socially unacceptable. Murder is a question of legality, and is extended to humans, and in a lesser form (called cruelty), specific domesticated animals. If you kill someone, and there was no other choice, it is called justifiable homocide. Is aborting a fetus due to rape justifiable homocide? If so, why?